(12-08-2014 09:23 AM)AACtopER Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:21 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  It's been stated roughly 2000000 times by the Big 12 that they DO NOT WANT TO DILUTE THEIR TV REVENUE SHARES PER TEAM.

Therefore they frankly don't care about geography and don't care about records amongst G5 teams.

They want the best teams with the best markets who are competition ready and have existing fanbases/facilities that are already built.

In other words, they'll ONLY expand if the candidate teams will increase the total pot of TV money and expand each team's share.

I dont see us being left out. 50k seats, rabid fans, Football sweet heart of NC, fastest growing school in NC. Constant killing of instate p5 schools.

I am sorry but i dont see UCF and USF ever getting a call... How does a state with UFL, Florida state, Miami with SEC and ACC foothold get any room. These teams are the best football can offer, no conference wants this already saturated market. Outside of Orlando where does UCF survive.

ECU covers almost all of everything east of i-95

East of I95 is a pretty small portion of the state, that's a fairly flawed positin.

(12-08-2014 10:58 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:56 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  To the people claiming BYU, please explain to me how they'll deal with the massive issues that have ALWAYS been around this time?

BYU cannot play on Sunday and have a laundry list of other restrictions. This is not an Athletics decision, this is a University directed manadate as based upon their faith.

The Big 12, like most conferences, play ALOT of games on Sunday in all sports. And the southern Baptists who run the Big 12, frankly, will not like being dictated to by the BYU leadership.

BYU has literally been as "attractive" as they are today for the past 30 years. These issues have always prevented other conferences from adding them and they absolutely were a decision for the PAC12 to not add BYU (and instead add Utah).

I predicted BYU based on the assumption that they'll give ground. I base them giving ground on their coaches comments re wanting in the Big 12 and the recent change of college football rules.

Give ground how? This is not an athletics issue, it's literally a fundamental stance based upon their religion.

This is a school who have kicked their All American players off the team in the middle of a Top 25 season because they violated Mormon rules.

Sure they want in, they just want the Big 12 to give ground.

(12-08-2014 10:58 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:57 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  I hope this actually happens. And congrats to whoever gets the call.

I'd love to find out the future of whether UConn will have a football program sooner rather than later. If I never go on a conference realignment message board again - whether UConn is placing FCS football with all sports in the Big East or in a P5 conference - I'd be happier than I currently am with the AD's current status.

I don't know if I even care anymore, but I've invested so much time in watching UConn get kicked in the nuts everytime realignment happens I might as well see it through.

IS UConn considering dropping down to FCS in football?

If Cinci and Memphis actually leave together, I imagine they would consider making the move to protect its basketball programs. I'm living in a dark world of hypotheticals, of course.

It comes down to what Fox Sports and Texas says.. I can assure you there is no way Texas is agreeing to any teams if those 2 teams don't bring an extra 40 million with them. If Fox says yes we will give you an additional 40 million a year for those 2 teams...then the deal is done. Texas is getting into a playoff if they are 11-1 so they don't care.

(12-08-2014 10:59 AM)nosurf2day Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:23 AM)AACtopER Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:21 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  It's been stated roughly 2000000 times by the Big 12 that they DO NOT WANT TO DILUTE THEIR TV REVENUE SHARES PER TEAM.

Therefore they frankly don't care about geography and don't care about records amongst G5 teams.

They want the best teams with the best markets who are competition ready and have existing fanbases/facilities that are already built.

In other words, they'll ONLY expand if the candidate teams will increase the total pot of TV money and expand each team's share.

I dont see us being left out. 50k seats, rabid fans, Football sweet heart of NC, fastest growing school in NC. Constant killing of instate p5 schools.

I am sorry but i dont see UCF and USF ever getting a call... How does a state with UFL, Florida state, Miami with SEC and ACC foothold get any room. These teams are the best football can offer, no conference wants this already saturated market. Outside of Orlando where does UCF survive.

ECU covers almost all of everything east of i-95

East of I95 is a pretty small portion of the state, that's a fairly flawed positin.

It's bigger than orlando population wise.

(12-08-2014 10:56 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:54 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  This time I think the TV market argument is not valid....

That's the same as saying the money argument isn't valid - no?

Again I'm saying that because this is not coming because they need to increase share. This is because they (at least the look of it) must get a conference championship. I'm not saying money will not be a part of it but it feels like a different push.

(12-08-2014 11:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:58 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:56 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  To the people claiming BYU, please explain to me how they'll deal with the massive issues that have ALWAYS been around this time?

BYU cannot play on Sunday and have a laundry list of other restrictions. This is not an Athletics decision, this is a University directed manadate as based upon their faith.

The Big 12, like most conferences, play ALOT of games on Sunday in all sports. And the southern Baptists who run the Big 12, frankly, will not like being dictated to by the BYU leadership.

BYU has literally been as "attractive" as they are today for the past 30 years. These issues have always prevented other conferences from adding them and they absolutely were a decision for the PAC12 to not add BYU (and instead add Utah).

I predicted BYU based on the assumption that they'll give ground. I base them giving ground on their coaches comments re wanting in the Big 12 and the recent change of college football rules.

Give ground how? This is not an athletics issue, it's literally a fundamental stance based upon their religion.

This is a school who have kicked their All American players off the team in the middle of a Top 25 season because they violated Mormon rules.

Sure they want in, they just want the Big 12 to give ground.

Well if BYU isn't ready to change their prior position in order to get into a P5 --- than I suspect you're right. Like I said, it's an assumption that they will make concession now that they are backed into the P5 new rules corner.

(12-08-2014 10:59 AM)nosurf2day Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:23 AM)AACtopER Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:21 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  It's been stated roughly 2000000 times by the Big 12 that they DO NOT WANT TO DILUTE THEIR TV REVENUE SHARES PER TEAM.

Therefore they frankly don't care about geography and don't care about records amongst G5 teams.

They want the best teams with the best markets who are competition ready and have existing fanbases/facilities that are already built.

In other words, they'll ONLY expand if the candidate teams will increase the total pot of TV money and expand each team's share.

I dont see us being left out. 50k seats, rabid fans, Football sweet heart of NC, fastest growing school in NC. Constant killing of instate p5 schools.

I am sorry but i dont see UCF and USF ever getting a call... How does a state with UFL, Florida state, Miami with SEC and ACC foothold get any room. These teams are the best football can offer, no conference wants this already saturated market. Outside of Orlando where does UCF survive.

ECU covers almost all of everything east of i-95

East of I95 is a pretty small portion of the state, that's a fairly flawed positin.

Same population as WV. That said, if the B12 expands we're almost certainly left behind. I don't see any reason for them to expand beyond 12. Most likely it would be Memphis and Cincy. The pair make a LOT of sense for the B12.

(12-08-2014 11:03 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:56 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:54 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  This time I think the TV market argument is not valid....

That's the same as saying the money argument isn't valid - no?

Again I'm saying that because this is not coming because they need to increase share. This is because they (at least the look of it) must get a conference championship. I'm not saying money will not be a part of it but it feels like a different push.

Sure - it's the championship game that's forcing this but once 'forced' they'll look at the same factors they would have if they weren't forced to invite. TV share will be one of the factors they look at when they are passing out invites --- maybe the most important.

I think the logical choices are Cincy and Memphis. Builds a bridge to WVU, adds a pre-existing rivalry, as well as two solid basketball schools and markets. I never really saw USF/UCF happening. They might surprise me and take ECU, though.

Keep in mind that it's 90% likely that the B12 gets a waiver to have a Champ game at 10 teams.

When that's the case, they will expand ONLY if the programs invited bring a net gain for TV revenue.

That means TV markets will rule the day. Period.

(12-08-2014 11:08 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Keep in mind that it's 90% likely that the B12 gets a waiver to have a Champ game at 10 teams.

When that's the case, they will expand ONLY if the programs invited bring a net gain for TV revenue.

That means TV markets will rule the day. Period.

90% likely? Why would Pac, SEC and B1G support this legislation? Where are the votes coming from other than the ACC whose proposing it and the Big 12 who desparately needs it.

(12-08-2014 11:11 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 11:08 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Keep in mind that it's 90% likely that the B12 gets a waiver to have a Champ game at 10 teams.

When that's the case, they will expand ONLY if the programs invited bring a net gain for TV revenue.

That means TV markets will rule the day. Period.

90% likely? Why would Pac, SEC and B1G support this legislation? Where are the votes coming from other than the ACC whose proposing it and the Big 12 who desparately needs it.

All the G5 leagues will vote for it b/c it would help ensure stability.

(12-08-2014 11:11 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 11:08 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Keep in mind that it's 90% likely that the B12 gets a waiver to have a Champ game at 10 teams.

When that's the case, they will expand ONLY if the programs invited bring a net gain for TV revenue.

That means TV markets will rule the day. Period.

90% likely? Why would Pac, SEC and B1G support this legislation? Where are the votes coming from other than the ACC whose proposing it and the Big 12 who desparately needs it.

If there's one thing you should have learned by now, it's that these conferences collude very well together. REst assured that the B12 will make some backdoor deals and get what they want, with the ACC's help.

Besides, in the end, the SEC and PAC12 would prefer these guys to have to play a champ game.

(12-08-2014 11:11 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 11:08 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Keep in mind that it's 90% likely that the B12 gets a waiver to have a Champ game at 10 teams.

When that's the case, they will expand ONLY if the programs invited bring a net gain for TV revenue.

That means TV markets will rule the day. Period.

90% likely? Why would Pac, SEC and B1G support this legislation? Where are the votes coming from other than the ACC whose proposing it and the Big 12 who desparately needs it.

I see a compromise with the other P5 conferences. They give the Big12 "x # of years" to find additional schools, but grant a temporary waiver to have a CCG with 10 teams.

(12-08-2014 11:08 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Keep in mind that it's 90% likely that the B12 gets a waiver to have a Champ game at 10 teams.

When that's the case, they will expand ONLY if the programs invited bring a net gain for TV revenue.

That means TV markets will rule the day. Period.

IMO I don't think they would get the waiver. The other P5 conferences would be so pissed if that was the case. Do you think that the B1G/ACC/PAC/SEC would keep the dead weights if they didn't have too? They would all be 8 to 10 member conf and kick out the bottom feeder schools and split a better share if they could. Teams like NW, BC, Wake, Wash St, Vandy would be gone in a heartbeat if they could get away with that

(12-08-2014 11:08 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Keep in mind that it's 90% likely that the B12 gets a waiver to have a Champ game at 10 teams.

Didn't the AAC apply for a waiver for this year, with the guarantee that Navy was coming and we'd have 12 next year and that was denied? Not apples to apples, but I think a lot of conferences have petitioned (many with hardships of losing members unexpectedly) and none have been granted.

Maybe they get it, but I'd put their chances at closer to 10%, not 90%.

(12-08-2014 10:55 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:39 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  I don't get the Boise love. They offer nothing except late games on a blue field. No TV, no recruiting area, no academics, and no TV.

It is like Miami, they are a good national team. Boise St keeps winning even when they keep losing coaches. Like it or not, they are a national brand in College Football. I have to say the earned it. Three Fiesta Bowls in the past 10 years (including this one). I remember the start of this season many of the AAC fans said Boise was done when the coach left and they still keep on winning.

13 Year Bowl streak neither Memphis, Cincy, UCONN, UCF or ECU have that with as many Major Bowl appearances. Especially doing it without the Auto BCS bid. The only one that comes close is Cincy.

I'm not dissing their product on the field. They totally earned it. They offer nothing besides that except another island like WVU.

(12-08-2014 11:17 AM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 11:08 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Keep in mind that it's 90% likely that the B12 gets a waiver to have a Champ game at 10 teams.

When that's the case, they will expand ONLY if the programs invited bring a net gain for TV revenue.

That means TV markets will rule the day. Period.

IMO I don't think they would get the waiver. The other P5 conferences would be so pissed if that was the case. Do you think that the B1G/ACC/PAC/SEC would keep the dead weights if they didn't have too? They would all be 8 to 10 member conf and kick out the bottom feeder schools and split a better share if they could. Teams like NW, BC, Wake, Wash St, Vandy would be gone in a heartbeat if they could get away with that

That makes no sense. The ACC added "dead weight" in the form of Syracuse and Pitt. The B1G added "dead weight" in Rutgers and Maryland. The PAC12 added "dead weight" in Colorado.

There's no such thing. All that matters is TV markets, eyes on TVs, and how far each conference can reach to generate TV revenue. Pitt sucks but if the ACC had eyeballs on their games in that market, it's a net benefit for them and ESPN.

TV markets matter first, foremost, and last.

(12-08-2014 11:17 AM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 11:08 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Keep in mind that it's 90% likely that the B12 gets a waiver to have a Champ game at 10 teams.

When that's the case, they will expand ONLY if the programs invited bring a net gain for TV revenue.

That means TV markets will rule the day. Period.

IMO I don't think they would get the waiver. The other P5 conferences would be so pissed if that was the case. Do you think that the B1G/ACC/PAC/SEC would keep the dead weights if they didn't have too? They would all be 8 to 10 member conf and kick out the bottom feeder schools and split a better share if they could. Teams like NW, BC, Wake, Wash St, Vandy would be gone in a heartbeat if they could get away with that

No they wouldn't. Those schools have plenty of value in media markets, recruiting areas, traditional rivalries, academic associations, etc.