OSU might get in with the conference title game statement they made. It might make ND think about things.

What things are you talking about?

Anytime ND ends a season with at most 1 loss, they'll be in the playoff because TV will make it so.

(12-07-2014 09:08 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  OSU might get in with the conference title game statement they made. It might make ND think about things.

Why?

Why not?

ND Goes undefeated they will be in the CFP....if they lose one game they are going to a New Year Day Six Bowl Game...

Notre Dame is no longer the Notre Dame of the pass. They no longer rule College Football.

OSU, FSU, Alabama and Oregon are the big dogs of the new 21st century.

(12-07-2014 12:12 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Notre Dame is no longer the Notre Dame of the pass. They no longer rule College Football.

OSU, FSU, Alabama and Oregon are the big dogs of the new 21st century.

Yet they still have that nice $15 Million a year to show 6 Home Football Games a year on NBC to go with their separate deal with the Orange Bowl...Money Talks..

Swarbrick once said that two things would be needed for ND to even consider giving up independence, the dissolution of the Big East AND being denied access to the college football championship.

The first thing was forever resolved with their ACC deal, so only the latter matters now.

Let's look at the latter. Since the college football championship was specifically stated, we can assume getting into one of the other New Year's 6 Bowl games doesn't matter.

So the real question this first selection show brings about is, if all things were equal and ND was 11-1 this season with the only loss being to FSU, would Ohio State have gone to the CFP instead of the Irish?

And the answer to that, for me anyway, is an overwhelming yes.

However, one year's data isn't sufficient to base such a decision on. And thanks to the ACC deal, the Irish have the time to be patient to see how future scenarios play out prior to making the decision.

After they showed such patience when chaos was swirling all around in terms of conference realignment from 2010-2012, I don't see them panicking over this just yet.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-07-2014 01:33 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Swarbrick once said that two things would be needed for ND to even consider giving up independence, the dissolution of the Big East AND being denied access to the college football championship.

The first thing was forever resolved with their ACC deal, so only the latter matters now.

Let's look at the latter. Since the college football championship was specifically stated, we can assume getting into one of the other New Year's 6 Bowl games doesn't matter.

So the real question this first selection show brings about is, if all things were equal and ND was 11-1 this season with the only loss being to FSU, would Ohio State have gone to the CFP instead of the Irish?

And the answer to that, for me anyway, is an overwhelming yes.

However, one year's data isn't sufficient to base such a decision on. And thanks to the ACC deal, the Irish have the time to be patient to see how future scenarios play out prior to making the decision.

After they showed such patience when chaos was swirling all around in terms of conference realignment from 2010-2012, I don't see them panicking over this just yet.

Cheers,
Neil

It certainly seems like the committee thinks 12-1 > 11-1.

ND won't have to worry about it, if college football does the right thing and move to 16 teams.

Two PhD students have started a blog outlining how and why a move to 16 teams in the right move for college football.

https://futurecfp.wordpress.com/

ND will eventually be in the ACC. It won't be soon, but it will happen.

(12-07-2014 01:41 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  ND won't have to worry about it, if college football does the right thing and move to 16 teams.

Two PhD students have started a blog outlining how and why a move to 16 teams in the right move for college football.

https://futurecfp.wordpress.com/

I rarely use the word never, but it will never be 16. It could expand to 8, but that is the most I ever see it becoming. And I think that is a long shot as well.

Had it been 8, would anyone have cared about any of the games this past week?

Cheers,
Neil

(12-07-2014 01:44 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  ND will eventually be in the ACC. It won't be soon, but it will happen.

Perhaps. But If that were to come about (and that's a HUGE IF), would that be enough to push the ACC up to the Big Boy table or will the conference still be regulated to the kiddie table like the Big 12?

Again, time will tell.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-07-2014 01:56 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Had it been 8, would anyone have cared about any of the games this past week?

Cheers,
Neil

Yes, people would have cared, maybe even more than they did this last weekend, because with the 5 automatic bids GT, Wisconsin, Missouri and Arizona could have made the play off. So if they had won, Alabama, TCU, Baylor, FSU, and Oregon would have been fighting for the three wild card spots.

There is no downside to an eight team play off. I agree 16 will probably never happen at this level.

(12-07-2014 01:59 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:44 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  ND will eventually be in the ACC. It won't be soon, but it will happen.

Perhaps. But If that were to come about (and that's a HUGE IF), would that be enough to push the ACC up to the Big Boy table or will the conference still be regulated to the kiddie table like the Big 12?

Again, time will tell.

Cheers,
Neil

...we are at the big boy table.

Last I checked, the ACC was and still is eating at the Big Boy table. Da-*** are some of y'all talking about.

(12-07-2014 02:33 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:59 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:44 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  ND will eventually be in the ACC. It won't be soon, but it will happen.

Perhaps. But If that were to come about (and that's a HUGE IF), would that be enough to push the ACC up to the Big Boy table or will the conference still be regulated to the kiddie table like the Big 12?

Again, time will tell.

Cheers,
Neil

...we are at the big boy table.

Within the P5, we are at the kiddie table in comparison with the BiG and SEC. And if there was any doubt about that with FSU's #4/#3 ranking in the CFP, the mysterious bump up by Miss. State two spots to jump the Spartans wehn nothing happened this week for either of them demonstrates that quite sufficiently enough.

Now, in reality, imho the Bulldogs should have been ahead of the Spartans last week as well but they weren't. So the only reason for this to happen to this week is to increase the pot of money for the SEC and to ensure all BiG team bowl slots are full and to knock the ACC out of the Citrus.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-07-2014 03:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:33 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:59 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:44 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  ND will eventually be in the ACC. It won't be soon, but it will happen.

Perhaps. But If that were to come about (and that's a HUGE IF), would that be enough to push the ACC up to the Big Boy table or will the conference still be regulated to the kiddie table like the Big 12?

Again, time will tell.

Cheers,
Neil

...we are at the big boy table.

Within the P5, we are at the kiddie table in comparison with the BiG and SEC. And if there was any doubt about that with FSU's #4/#3 ranking in the CFP, the mysterious bump up by Miss. State two spots to jump the Spartans wehn nothing happened this week for either of them demonstrates that quite sufficiently enough.

Now, in reality, imho the Bulldogs should have been ahead of the Spartans last week as well but they weren't. So the only reason for this to happen to this week is to increase the pot of money for the SEC and to ensure all BiG team bowl slots are full and to knock the ACC out of the Citrus.

Cheers,
Neil

FSU's drop has nothing to do with conference affiliation. They want FSU to crush teams and they weren't. FSU is penalized by their high number of close games relative to the other top teams.

(12-07-2014 03:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 03:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:33 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:59 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:44 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  ND will eventually be in the ACC. It won't be soon, but it will happen.

Perhaps. But If that were to come about (and that's a HUGE IF), would that be enough to push the ACC up to the Big Boy table or will the conference still be regulated to the kiddie table like the Big 12?

Again, time will tell.

Cheers,
Neil

...we are at the big boy table.

Within the P5, we are at the kiddie table in comparison with the BiG and SEC. And if there was any doubt about that with FSU's #4/#3 ranking in the CFP, the mysterious bump up by Miss. State two spots to jump the Spartans wehn nothing happened this week for either of them demonstrates that quite sufficiently enough.

Now, in reality, imho the Bulldogs should have been ahead of the Spartans last week as well but they weren't. So the only reason for this to happen to this week is to increase the pot of money for the SEC and to ensure all BiG team bowl slots are full and to knock the ACC out of the Citrus.

Cheers,
Neil

FSU's drop has nothing to do with conference affiliation. They want FSU to crush teams and they weren't. FSU is penalized by their high number of close games relative to the other top teams.

Do you truly believe that had Alabama had all of the close wins but were undefeated they'd be #3 or #4 so early in the process?

And I see you didn't address the more pertinent scenario to my overall point.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-07-2014 01:33 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Swarbrick once said that two things would be needed for ND to even consider giving up independence, the dissolution of the Big East AND being denied access to the college football championship.


Cheers,
Neil

Our goal is to maintain independence. But you never say never. It’s not that we prefer to ever pursue an alternative, but you could imagine further changes down the road, as people project further consolidation of conferences. I don’t think that’s going to happen, at least not during my professional career, but that’s the only way we’d do it.
-- ND AD Jack Swarbrick

i.e. texas to the ACC ...

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