Did I miss something???? This scoreboard/video board one sided PA system is awful. One of the worst I have heard. While the quality is fine, the design is hopelessly derelict. To be heard at the other end, the volume has to be so loud that from my seats on the 48 yard line (scoreboard side of the 50) it is extremely loud. Poor planning.

I do have a large amount of sound experience and why there wasn't a synced system installed that could cover the stadium at lower sound volumes is beyond me. Yeah, I get it that is is cheaper to have one set of speakers at one end only. But other than that, it is by far and away just plain awful. I was hoping that it was a temporary thing after the new screen was installed but obviously, they are not changing it.

Even most large outdoor concert venues use secondary synced (time adjusted speakers halfway out or further) to augment the sound so it doesn't have to be deafening. As a former road musician, who is used to loud volumes, this is by far one of the worse setups I have seen at a supposedly decent football venue.

I implore the LB. To change this as I can't imagine those sitting closer than I do to that side being able to not consider earplugs. It would also lessen the echo problem as well. It was a "cheap" not inexpensive way out that needs to be changed.

Officially off my soap box now.......

I thought it's pretty clear. I'm at the far end though and the speakers are pointed right at me. During the game Saturday I could hear the pa address guy rambling about a past game while his spotter whispered "your mike is on". It was very clear. Too bad he didn't start pontificating about something interesting.

(11-25-2014 11:24 AM)UofMark Wrote:  I thought it's pretty clear. I'm at the far end though and the speakers are pointed right at me. During the game Saturday I could hear the pa address guy rambling about a past game while his spotter whispered "your mike is on". It was very clear. Too bad he didn't start pontificating about something interesting.

On your end it should sound great....in fact, that is probably the best place to hear it. It is not a matter of clarity that's the issue. It is the sound volume need to make it sound good at the other end that is almost unbearably loud if you're anywhere BUT at the other end.

That's the point of my post. If they had additional speakers across the stadium to get a better coverage, it could be done at lower volumes and sound pressures. Consistent clarity at decent volumes should be the goal. Not ear splitting volume to get clarity at the other end.

(11-25-2014 11:18 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Fail.

This is an issue that needs to be resolved for a good game day experience.

Even though you can't tell it, the speakers are actually too powerful for the stadium. Now, before some say, "but I can't hear it", hear me out. The speakers are all pointed the same way, and that is straight ahead. So the speakers are shooting the sound out over the North endzone. You can go sit in the neighborhood by the Children's Museum and hear MUCH better than you can in the stadium. Speakers in a stadium need to be pointed to all parts of the stadium. BUT, if these speakers were actually pointed towards the crowd, it would absolutely blow our ears off. Very poor planning and purchasing in that deal.

(11-25-2014 11:35 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:18 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Fail.

This is an issue that needs to be resolved for a good game day experience.

yep

(11-25-2014 11:35 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:18 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Fail.

This is an issue that needs to be resolved for a good game day experience.

Fail.

The game will be played Saturday with or without a PA system.

#firstworldproblems

(11-25-2014 11:43 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:35 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:18 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Fail.

This is an issue that needs to be resolved for a good game day experience.

Fail.

The game will be played Saturday with or without a PA system.

#firstworldproblems

If we are concerned about attendance, then we should do all we can to help people be comfortable and enjoy the game. The sound is an integral part of the game day experience, particularly for the casual fan. It is the casual fan that we need to entice to the games in order to boost attendance. Why do a $10 million upgrade and end up with sound that assaults the eardrums?

(11-25-2014 11:16 AM)Flugel Wrote:  Did I miss something???? This scoreboard/video board one sided PA system is awful. One of the worst I have heard. While the quality is fine, the design is hopelessly derelict. To be heard at the other end, the volume has to be so loud that from my seats on the 48 yard line (scoreboard side of the 50) it is extremely loud. Poor planning.

I do have a large amount of sound experience and why there wasn't a synced system installed that could cover the stadium at lower sound volumes is beyond me. Yeah, I get it that is is cheaper to have one set of speakers at one end only. But other than that, it is by far and away just plain awful. I was hoping that it was a temporary thing after the new screen was installed but obviously, they are not changing it.

Even most large outdoor concert venues use secondary synced (time adjusted speakers halfway out or further) to augment the sound so it doesn't have to be deafening. As a former road musician, who is used to loud volumes, this is by far one of the worse setups I have seen at a supposedly decent football venue.

I implore the LB. To change this as I can't imagine those sitting closer than I do to that side being able to not consider earplugs. It would also lessen the echo problem as well. It was a "cheap" not inexpensive way out that needs to be changed.

Officially off my soap box now.......

Thanks for the post. It is good to have someone speak up who has expertise in the area.

(11-25-2014 11:52 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:43 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:35 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:18 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Fail.

This is an issue that needs to be resolved for a good game day experience.

Fail.

The game will be played Saturday with or without a PA system.

#firstworldproblems

If we are concerned about attendance, then we should do all we can to help people be comfortable and enjoy the game. The sound is an integral part of the game day experience, particularly for the casual fan. It is the casual fan that we need to entice to the games in order to boost attendance. Why do a $10 million upgrade and end up with sound that assaults the eardrums?

Because the renovation was around 32 million, not 10...they went cheap on the sound system to get the massive Video board.

Never in the history of fandom has someone said "well, I was going to the game, but I can't stand the PA system"

(11-25-2014 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:52 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:43 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:35 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:18 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Fail.

This is an issue that needs to be resolved for a good game day experience.

Fail.

The game will be played Saturday with or without a PA system.

#firstworldproblems

If we are concerned about attendance, then we should do all we can to help people be comfortable and enjoy the game. The sound is an integral part of the game day experience, particularly for the casual fan. It is the casual fan that we need to entice to the games in order to boost attendance. Why do a $10 million upgrade and end up with sound that assaults the eardrums?

Because the renovation was around 32 million, not 10...they went cheap on the sound system to get the massive Video board.

Never in the history of fandom has someone said "well, I was going to the game, but I can't stand the PA system"

I low balled the number because I didn't know what the real number was. If you read the op, he seemed to think that the issue was not money but rather a lack of planning. The way I read it a better sound could be produced at a lower cost.

Noise pollution or sound system. The casual fan could very well decide to stay home and watch it on television if the pa system is that bad. There are lots of other things they can spend on with their entertainment dollar. Why was MTSU attendance over 42,000 and the last game was only 36,000? I am sure it wasn't the sound, but for the casual fan it could be a contributing factor.

(11-25-2014 12:05 PM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:52 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:43 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:35 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  Fail.

This is an issue that needs to be resolved for a good game day experience.

Fail.

The game will be played Saturday with or without a PA system.

#firstworldproblems

If we are concerned about attendance, then we should do all we can to help people be comfortable and enjoy the game. The sound is an integral part of the game day experience, particularly for the casual fan. It is the casual fan that we need to entice to the games in order to boost attendance. Why do a $10 million upgrade and end up with sound that assaults the eardrums?

Because the renovation was around 32 million, not 10...they went cheap on the sound system to get the massive Video board.

Never in the history of fandom has someone said "well, I was going to the game, but I can't stand the PA system"

I low balled the number because I didn't know what the real number was. If you read the op, he seemed to think that the issue was not money but rather a lack of planning. The way I read it a better sound could be produced at a lower cost.

Noise pollution or sound system. The casual fan could very well decide to stay home and watch it on television if the pa system is that bad. There are lots of other things they can spend on with their entertainment dollar. Why was MTSU attendance over 42,000 and the last game was only 36,000? I am sure it wasn't the sound, but for the casual fan it could be a contributing factor.

They took the lowest bidder

It was much lower then the rest of the bids..

There was a reason that it was much lower, the bid was for a system that was never going to do the job.

(11-25-2014 12:05 PM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:52 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:43 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:35 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  Fail.

This is an issue that needs to be resolved for a good game day experience.

Fail.

The game will be played Saturday with or without a PA system.

#firstworldproblems

If we are concerned about attendance, then we should do all we can to help people be comfortable and enjoy the game. The sound is an integral part of the game day experience, particularly for the casual fan. It is the casual fan that we need to entice to the games in order to boost attendance. Why do a $10 million upgrade and end up with sound that assaults the eardrums?

Because the renovation was around 32 million, not 10...they went cheap on the sound system to get the massive Video board.

Never in the history of fandom has someone said "well, I was going to the game, but I can't stand the PA system"

I low balled the number because I didn't know what the real number was. If you read the op, he seemed to think that the issue was not money but rather a lack of planning. The way I read it a better sound could be produced at a lower cost.

Noise pollution or sound system. The casual fan could very well decide to stay home and watch it on television if the pa system is that bad. There are lots of other things they can spend on with their entertainment dollar. Why was MTSU attendance over 42,000 and the last game was only 36,000? I am sure it wasn't the sound, but for the casual fan it could be a contributing factor.

It may have cost a bit more but the difference in results would have been huge. A mark of a good sound system is that it works and has little complaints = clear sound! good coverage and few "can you turn it down (or up)" comments. Clearly , this is NOT what happened here. It is correctable if they want to and it would not be an expensive fix either.

It is NOT an enjoyable experience and does severely detract from the venue. Loud does not equal better. Too easy to make right so with the success of the Tigers, and hopefully a greater attendance this season and subsequent seasons, why keep missing an important detail that really does detract from the experience. This is stupid to continue with it next year without a remedy that doesn't take millions to correct.

(11-25-2014 11:56 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:52 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:43 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:35 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:18 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Fail.

This is an issue that needs to be resolved for a good game day experience.

Fail.

The game will be played Saturday with or without a PA system.

#firstworldproblems

If we are concerned about attendance, then we should do all we can to help people be comfortable and enjoy the game. The sound is an integral part of the game day experience, particularly for the casual fan. It is the casual fan that we need to entice to the games in order to boost attendance. Why do a $10 million upgrade and end up with sound that assaults the eardrums?

Because the renovation was around 32 million, not 10...they went cheap on the sound system to get the massive Video board.

Never in the history of fandom has someone said "well, I was going to the game, but I can't stand the PA system"

Incorrect o wise one.....

I beg to differ. I understand your comment and will likely continue to attend anyway.
Case in point.....Even in the last three years, a number of young parents with kids in the 4-10 range complained to the Grizzlies about the loud volume of the speakers there. Now, except during some games, the volume has been dropped easily 15% at peak or so. Although the bass frequencies are still pushed well beyond what's needed. Big difference in volume and an increase in clarity.

It's hard to create a good habit of the desire to go to a venue that becomes user "unfriendly". Don't put obstacles where you don't need to. Especially when there are many choices for your dollar. The non-rabid fan will come more often if the venue doesn't make attending an obstacle.

You may not be able to control what happens on the field but you darn well should be able to control the other things better than what they currently do with the sound system.

Grizz should have just turned it up louder...put it on 11!

Where is Tigerjeb, he is the authority on all things done at the Liberty Bowl. He answered a question for me about the lighting recently.

(11-25-2014 11:35 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:18 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Fail.

This is an issue that needs to be resolved for a good game day experience.

It's cool man, we have our own DJ!

(11-25-2014 11:40 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Even though you can't tell it, the speakers are actually too powerful for the stadium. Now, before some say, "but I can't hear it", hear me out. The speakers are all pointed the same way, and that is straight ahead. So the speakers are shooting the sound out over the North endzone. You can go sit in the neighborhood by the Children's Museum and hear MUCH better than you can in the stadium. Speakers in a stadium need to be pointed to all parts of the stadium. BUT, if these speakers were actually pointed towards the crowd, it would absolutely blow our ears off. Very poor planning and purchasing in that deal.

Actually, it was designed for 60,000 bodies taking up "acoustic space" with all the damping that entails. It's gonna sound like crap in a half-full stadium.

(11-25-2014 02:37 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:40 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Even though you can't tell it, the speakers are actually too powerful for the stadium. Now, before some say, "but I can't hear it", hear me out. The speakers are all pointed the same way, and that is straight ahead. So the speakers are shooting the sound out over the North endzone. You can go sit in the neighborhood by the Children's Museum and hear MUCH better than you can in the stadium. Speakers in a stadium need to be pointed to all parts of the stadium. BUT, if these speakers were actually pointed towards the crowd, it would absolutely blow our ears off. Very poor planning and purchasing in that deal.

Actually, it was designed for 60,000 bodies taking up "acoustic space" with all the damping that entails. It's gonna sound like crap in a half-full stadium.

There you go...