(11-27-2014 10:34 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Lol I'm not.

Living in one place to long is bad for anyone no matter where it is.

Couldn't agree more than I already do.

I'm going to say it is merely coincidence that 9 straight BCS titles have been from southern schools. Given that it is just a coincidence, let's go ahead and put Ohio St in the 4 team playoff as they and the rest of the B1G have just had a stretch of bad luck the last 10 years.

/sarcasm/

With that said, a Miss St Bama rematch is not appealing so the committee will definitely have Ohio St jump them. Hopefully the eight team playoff will come soon.

(11-27-2014 10:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 06:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 07:18 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 04:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 08:23 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Your pitiful attempts to mischaracterize in ad hom fashion is just proof how angry you are that your "facts" are worthless.

You keep harping like a wounded duck about OSU jumping Baylor. My arguments are specific to TCU and MSS, they imply nothing about OSU vs Baylor, so the fact that the committee jumped OSU over Baylor doesn't refute them at all.

Want proof that there is no clear linkage between OSU/Baylor and OSU vs TCU or MSS? It's staring you in the face: Obviously, the committee views OSU jumping Baylor as one thing but jumping TCU or MSS entirely something else, otherwise the committee would have already jumped OSU over TCU and MSS!

Bottom line: As of now, the committee's actual actions are on my side, not yours. Deal with it, little girl.

You are definitely retarded.

Every argument that you made about those schools being superior to Ohio State could also be made for Baylor vs Ohio State. That is why Ohio State being able to pass up Baylor means that it could pass up the other two in the future.

I know you don't like me being able to prove you wrong with just one response this whole time but it happens, get over it. The fact that you cant just goes to show you are quite the little girl yourself.

If "every argument" that I made for TCU and MSS being superior to OSU can also be made for Baylor over OSU, than why hasn't the committee made it? Why has the committee jumped OSU over Baylor, but not TCU and MSS?

Obviously, the committee differentiates between them. They think OSU is superior to Baylor but inferior to TCU and MSS. Just look at the rankings you dimwit.

So much for "proving me wrong" with one response. For someone who claims that their arguments are the ones most firmly rooted in the behavior of the committee, you sure do ignore what the committee is actually doing.

And nobody has said that the committee absolutely will not jump OSU over TCU and MSS in the future.

You on the other hand have claimed that it is inevitable.

That is really stupid, since none of us know for sure what the committee will do. For reasons already given, I happen to think that when the dust settles, the committee will recognize that MSS and TCU have better overall resumes than OSU. But we shall see.

Nah, I never said inevitable. That would be a false statement, as you say. What I am saying is that it is possible.

Obviously, it is possible. If that's all you've been saying, then I guess this back and forth has been one big misunderstanding (sure it has, LOL). But no, you've been pretty strident and certain about OSU jumping these teams. We shall see.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family as well.

(11-27-2014 10:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 06:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 07:18 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 04:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 08:23 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Your pitiful attempts to mischaracterize in ad hom fashion is just proof how angry you are that your "facts" are worthless.

You keep harping like a wounded duck about OSU jumping Baylor. My arguments are specific to TCU and MSS, they imply nothing about OSU vs Baylor, so the fact that the committee jumped OSU over Baylor doesn't refute them at all.

Want proof that there is no clear linkage between OSU/Baylor and OSU vs TCU or MSS? It's staring you in the face: Obviously, the committee views OSU jumping Baylor as one thing but jumping TCU or MSS entirely something else, otherwise the committee would have already jumped OSU over TCU and MSS!

Bottom line: As of now, the committee's actual actions are on my side, not yours. Deal with it, little girl.

You are definitely retarded.

Every argument that you made about those schools being superior to Ohio State could also be made for Baylor vs Ohio State. That is why Ohio State being able to pass up Baylor means that it could pass up the other two in the future.

I know you don't like me being able to prove you wrong with just one response this whole time but it happens, get over it. The fact that you cant just goes to show you are quite the little girl yourself.

If "every argument" that I made for TCU and MSS being superior to OSU can also be made for Baylor over OSU, than why hasn't the committee made it? Why has the committee jumped OSU over Baylor, but not TCU and MSS?

Obviously, the committee differentiates between them. They think OSU is superior to Baylor but inferior to TCU and MSS. Just look at the rankings you dimwit.

So much for "proving me wrong" with one response. For someone who claims that their arguments are the ones most firmly rooted in the behavior of the committee, you sure do ignore what the committee is actually doing.

And nobody has said that the committee absolutely will not jump OSU over TCU and MSS in the future.

You on the other hand have claimed that it is inevitable.

That is really stupid, since none of us know for sure what the committee will do. For reasons already given, I happen to think that when the dust settles, the committee will recognize that MSS and TCU have better overall resumes than OSU. But we shall see.

Nah, I never said inevitable. That would be a false statement, as you say. What I am saying is that it is possible. I don't make absolute statements like that. The fact that Ohio State passed up Baylor in the way that they did makes it very possible that Ohio State could pass up MSU in the same manner in a couple of weeks. That doesn't mean I am saying that they absolutely will.

The comparison of Ohio State and TCU's future match ups is about Ohio State's two game line up actually being better than TCU's. That means it is POSSIBLE for them to pass up TCU as well. I don't see how that is debatable. If this whole time you have been debating against someone saying it is inevitable then you havnt been debating me.

That is me pointing out how previous situations created by the Committee prove that they could do the same thing in the near future. That doesn't mean they have to. Yes, TCU and MSU are ahead right now so trying to prove how they could be there when it all settles is rather silly. I don't know why you were trying so hard. I was just having a little fun trying to show how something that was so unthinkable early in the season could end up happening.

Your point about Ohio State getting in due to politics is true but I wouldn't go so far as to say it is only about politics. I mean, we already know that one team in the top 4 is better than MSU. MSU already lost to Alabama. The Committee will be thinking about that Alabama/LSU stinker, you can be sure of that.

Anyways, Happy Thanksgiving.

Since you once again feel the need to cut out major portions of my post. I will reply to my own post. I was very strident about Ohio State having a very strong shot at getting in. All of my points displayed that belief of mine. Don't bother trying to continue to misrepresent my posts.

(11-27-2014 11:54 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 10:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 06:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 07:18 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 04:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  You keep harping like a wounded duck about OSU jumping Baylor. My arguments are specific to TCU and MSS, they imply nothing about OSU vs Baylor, so the fact that the committee jumped OSU over Baylor doesn't refute them at all.

Want proof that there is no clear linkage between OSU/Baylor and OSU vs TCU or MSS? It's staring you in the face: Obviously, the committee views OSU jumping Baylor as one thing but jumping TCU or MSS entirely something else, otherwise the committee would have already jumped OSU over TCU and MSS!

Bottom line: As of now, the committee's actual actions are on my side, not yours. Deal with it, little girl.

You are definitely retarded.

Every argument that you made about those schools being superior to Ohio State could also be made for Baylor vs Ohio State. That is why Ohio State being able to pass up Baylor means that it could pass up the other two in the future.

I know you don't like me being able to prove you wrong with just one response this whole time but it happens, get over it. The fact that you cant just goes to show you are quite the little girl yourself.

If "every argument" that I made for TCU and MSS being superior to OSU can also be made for Baylor over OSU, than why hasn't the committee made it? Why has the committee jumped OSU over Baylor, but not TCU and MSS?

Obviously, the committee differentiates between them. They think OSU is superior to Baylor but inferior to TCU and MSS. Just look at the rankings you dimwit.

So much for "proving me wrong" with one response. For someone who claims that their arguments are the ones most firmly rooted in the behavior of the committee, you sure do ignore what the committee is actually doing.

And nobody has said that the committee absolutely will not jump OSU over TCU and MSS in the future.

You on the other hand have claimed that it is inevitable.

That is really stupid, since none of us know for sure what the committee will do. For reasons already given, I happen to think that when the dust settles, the committee will recognize that MSS and TCU have better overall resumes than OSU. But we shall see.

Nah, I never said inevitable. That would be a false statement, as you say. What I am saying is that it is possible. I don't make absolute statements like that. The fact that Ohio State passed up Baylor in the way that they did makes it very possible that Ohio State could pass up MSU in the same manner in a couple of weeks. That doesn't mean I am saying that they absolutely will.

The comparison of Ohio State and TCU's future match ups is about Ohio State's two game line up actually being better than TCU's. That means it is POSSIBLE for them to pass up TCU as well. I don't see how that is debatable. If this whole time you have been debating against someone saying it is inevitable then you havnt been debating me.

That is me pointing out how previous situations created by the Committee prove that they could do the same thing in the near future. That doesn't mean they have to. Yes, TCU and MSU are ahead right now so trying to prove how they could be there when it all settles is rather silly. I don't know why you were trying so hard. I was just having a little fun trying to show how something that was so unthinkable early in the season could end up happening.

Your point about Ohio State getting in due to politics is true but I wouldn't go so far as to say it is only about politics. I mean, we already know that one team in the top 4 is better than MSU. MSU already lost to Alabama. The Committee will be thinking about that Alabama/LSU stinker, you can be sure of that.

Anyways, Happy Thanksgiving.

Since you once again feel the need to cut out major portions of my post. I will reply to my own post. I was very strident about Ohio State having a very strong shot at getting in. All of my points displayed that belief of mine. Don't bother trying to continue to misrepresent my posts.

You're so twisted you're replying to yourself now, but on the assumption you meant to refer to me, I'll say that no, you've expressed certainty, not probability, about OSU passing TCU and MSU. From a post many pages back:

"Ohio State passed Baylor when Baylor didn't play. Ohio State's win over Wisconsin will earn them the same action over TCU and MSU."

See? Not "will probably earn" or "should earn" or "will possibly earn" or somesuch, just "will".

In other words, once against rather than "misrepresent" you, I once again flat-out nailed you.

But hey, I really do hope you're having a great turkey dinner. I sure am.

(11-27-2014 04:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 11:54 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 10:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 06:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 07:18 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You are definitely retarded.

Every argument that you made about those schools being superior to Ohio State could also be made for Baylor vs Ohio State. That is why Ohio State being able to pass up Baylor means that it could pass up the other two in the future.

I know you don't like me being able to prove you wrong with just one response this whole time but it happens, get over it. The fact that you cant just goes to show you are quite the little girl yourself.

If "every argument" that I made for TCU and MSS being superior to OSU can also be made for Baylor over OSU, than why hasn't the committee made it? Why has the committee jumped OSU over Baylor, but not TCU and MSS?

Obviously, the committee differentiates between them. They think OSU is superior to Baylor but inferior to TCU and MSS. Just look at the rankings you dimwit.

So much for "proving me wrong" with one response. For someone who claims that their arguments are the ones most firmly rooted in the behavior of the committee, you sure do ignore what the committee is actually doing.

And nobody has said that the committee absolutely will not jump OSU over TCU and MSS in the future.

You on the other hand have claimed that it is inevitable.

That is really stupid, since none of us know for sure what the committee will do. For reasons already given, I happen to think that when the dust settles, the committee will recognize that MSS and TCU have better overall resumes than OSU. But we shall see.

Nah, I never said inevitable. That would be a false statement, as you say. What I am saying is that it is possible. I don't make absolute statements like that. The fact that Ohio State passed up Baylor in the way that they did makes it very possible that Ohio State could pass up MSU in the same manner in a couple of weeks. That doesn't mean I am saying that they absolutely will.

The comparison of Ohio State and TCU's future match ups is about Ohio State's two game line up actually being better than TCU's. That means it is POSSIBLE for them to pass up TCU as well. I don't see how that is debatable. If this whole time you have been debating against someone saying it is inevitable then you havnt been debating me.

That is me pointing out how previous situations created by the Committee prove that they could do the same thing in the near future. That doesn't mean they have to. Yes, TCU and MSU are ahead right now so trying to prove how they could be there when it all settles is rather silly. I don't know why you were trying so hard. I was just having a little fun trying to show how something that was so unthinkable early in the season could end up happening.

Your point about Ohio State getting in due to politics is true but I wouldn't go so far as to say it is only about politics. I mean, we already know that one team in the top 4 is better than MSU. MSU already lost to Alabama. The Committee will be thinking about that Alabama/LSU stinker, you can be sure of that.

Anyways, Happy Thanksgiving.

Since you once again feel the need to cut out major portions of my post. I will reply to my own post. I was very strident about Ohio State having a very strong shot at getting in. All of my points displayed that belief of mine. Don't bother trying to continue to misrepresent my posts.

You're so twisted you're replying to yourself now, but on the assumption you meant to refer to me, I'll say that no, you've expressed certainty, not probability, about OSU passing TCU and MSU. From a post many pages back:

"Ohio State passed Baylor when Baylor didn't play. Ohio State's win over Wisconsin will earn them the same action over TCU and MSU."

See? Not "will probably earn" or "should earn" or "will possibly earn" or somesuch, just "will".

In other words, once against rather than "misrepresent" you, I once again flat-out nailed you.

But hey, I really do hope you're having a great turkey dinner. I sure am.

Sorry, wrong. It is not a sure thing that Wisconsin even makes it to the Championship game. MSU may lose to Ole Miss. TCU may lose to Texas today or...ISU may once again stick a dagger in the back of it's own conference in the last game.

I am sorry you are so desperate to "nail me" but you are getting way ahead of yourself as usual. The whole wanting to nail me thing...kind of creepy.

My dinner was great! Thanks for asking.

(11-27-2014 07:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 04:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 11:54 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 10:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 06:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If "every argument" that I made for TCU and MSS being superior to OSU can also be made for Baylor over OSU, than why hasn't the committee made it? Why has the committee jumped OSU over Baylor, but not TCU and MSS?

Obviously, the committee differentiates between them. They think OSU is superior to Baylor but inferior to TCU and MSS. Just look at the rankings you dimwit.

So much for "proving me wrong" with one response. For someone who claims that their arguments are the ones most firmly rooted in the behavior of the committee, you sure do ignore what the committee is actually doing.

And nobody has said that the committee absolutely will not jump OSU over TCU and MSS in the future.

You on the other hand have claimed that it is inevitable.

That is really stupid, since none of us know for sure what the committee will do. For reasons already given, I happen to think that when the dust settles, the committee will recognize that MSS and TCU have better overall resumes than OSU. But we shall see.

Nah, I never said inevitable. That would be a false statement, as you say. What I am saying is that it is possible. I don't make absolute statements like that. The fact that Ohio State passed up Baylor in the way that they did makes it very possible that Ohio State could pass up MSU in the same manner in a couple of weeks. That doesn't mean I am saying that they absolutely will.

The comparison of Ohio State and TCU's future match ups is about Ohio State's two game line up actually being better than TCU's. That means it is POSSIBLE for them to pass up TCU as well. I don't see how that is debatable. If this whole time you have been debating against someone saying it is inevitable then you havnt been debating me.

That is me pointing out how previous situations created by the Committee prove that they could do the same thing in the near future. That doesn't mean they have to. Yes, TCU and MSU are ahead right now so trying to prove how they could be there when it all settles is rather silly. I don't know why you were trying so hard. I was just having a little fun trying to show how something that was so unthinkable early in the season could end up happening.

Your point about Ohio State getting in due to politics is true but I wouldn't go so far as to say it is only about politics. I mean, we already know that one team in the top 4 is better than MSU. MSU already lost to Alabama. The Committee will be thinking about that Alabama/LSU stinker, you can be sure of that.

Anyways, Happy Thanksgiving.

Since you once again feel the need to cut out major portions of my post. I will reply to my own post. I was very strident about Ohio State having a very strong shot at getting in. All of my points displayed that belief of mine. Don't bother trying to continue to misrepresent my posts.

You're so twisted you're replying to yourself now, but on the assumption you meant to refer to me, I'll say that no, you've expressed certainty, not probability, about OSU passing TCU and MSU. From a post many pages back:

"Ohio State passed Baylor when Baylor didn't play. Ohio State's win over Wisconsin will earn them the same action over TCU and MSU."

See? Not "will probably earn" or "should earn" or "will possibly earn" or somesuch, just "will".

In other words, once against rather than "misrepresent" you, I once again flat-out nailed you.

But hey, I really do hope you're having a great turkey dinner. I sure am.

Sorry, wrong. It is not a sure thing that Wisconsin even makes it to the Championship game. MSU may lose to Ole Miss. TCU may lose to Texas today or...ISU may once again stick a dagger in the back of it's own conference in the last game.

Nope, you weren't misrepresented, just nailed.

Being generous, we'll assume you didn't claim three certainties: That Wisconsin will make the title game, that OSU will beat them, and doing so will move them past TCU and MSS in the CFP rankings.

That would be mean, so we'll just assume you meant to claim just one: That IF Wisconsin makes the title game and IF OSU beats them, then (here's the certainty, just in case your brain is lost by now) the committee WILL move OSU ahead of MSS and TCU. Can't let you off that hook since anything else just wouldn't comport with the words you used.

Either way though, you claimed a certainty, and thus you are nailed.

Hell, as a weasel-attempt, that wasn't even clever, just laughable.

Happy Black Friday!

(11-28-2014 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 07:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 04:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 11:54 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 10:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Nah, I never said inevitable. That would be a false statement, as you say. What I am saying is that it is possible. I don't make absolute statements like that. The fact that Ohio State passed up Baylor in the way that they did makes it very possible that Ohio State could pass up MSU in the same manner in a couple of weeks. That doesn't mean I am saying that they absolutely will.

The comparison of Ohio State and TCU's future match ups is about Ohio State's two game line up actually being better than TCU's. That means it is POSSIBLE for them to pass up TCU as well. I don't see how that is debatable. If this whole time you have been debating against someone saying it is inevitable then you havnt been debating me.

That is me pointing out how previous situations created by the Committee prove that they could do the same thing in the near future. That doesn't mean they have to. Yes, TCU and MSU are ahead right now so trying to prove how they could be there when it all settles is rather silly. I don't know why you were trying so hard. I was just having a little fun trying to show how something that was so unthinkable early in the season could end up happening.

Your point about Ohio State getting in due to politics is true but I wouldn't go so far as to say it is only about politics. I mean, we already know that one team in the top 4 is better than MSU. MSU already lost to Alabama. The Committee will be thinking about that Alabama/LSU stinker, you can be sure of that.

Anyways, Happy Thanksgiving.

Since you once again feel the need to cut out major portions of my post. I will reply to my own post. I was very strident about Ohio State having a very strong shot at getting in. All of my points displayed that belief of mine. Don't bother trying to continue to misrepresent my posts.

You're so twisted you're replying to yourself now, but on the assumption you meant to refer to me, I'll say that no, you've expressed certainty, not probability, about OSU passing TCU and MSU. From a post many pages back:

"Ohio State passed Baylor when Baylor didn't play. Ohio State's win over Wisconsin will earn them the same action over TCU and MSU."

See? Not "will probably earn" or "should earn" or "will possibly earn" or somesuch, just "will".

In other words, once against rather than "misrepresent" you, I once again flat-out nailed you.

But hey, I really do hope you're having a great turkey dinner. I sure am.

Sorry, wrong. It is not a sure thing that Wisconsin even makes it to the Championship game. MSU may lose to Ole Miss. TCU may lose to Texas today or...ISU may once again stick a dagger in the back of it's own conference in the last game.

Nope, you weren't misrepresented, just nailed.

Being generous, we'll assume you didn't claim three certainties: That Wisconsin will make the title game, that OSU will beat them, and doing so will move them past TCU and MSS in the CFP rankings.

That would be mean, so we'll just assume you meant to claim just one: That IF Wisconsin makes the title game and IF OSU beats them, then (here's the certainty, just in case your brain is lost by now) the committee WILL move OSU ahead of MSS and TCU. Can't let you off that hook since anything else just wouldn't comport with the words you used.

Either way though, you claimed a certainty, and thus you are nailed.

Hell, as a weasel-attempt, that wasn't even clever, just laughable.

Happy Black Friday!

Sorry, you are wrong, and in usual ******* form...you act the *******. You didn't nail me at all and you really aren't that clever either.

It is a certainty that Ohio State has a strong chance at moving into the top 4. That is all, that is all I have ever said. I mean...what the hell, they could LOSE. So stop being an ass or **** off. You are wrong.

(11-28-2014 10:14 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 07:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 04:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 11:54 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Since you once again feel the need to cut out major portions of my post. I will reply to my own post. I was very strident about Ohio State having a very strong shot at getting in. All of my points displayed that belief of mine. Don't bother trying to continue to misrepresent my posts.

You're so twisted you're replying to yourself now, but on the assumption you meant to refer to me, I'll say that no, you've expressed certainty, not probability, about OSU passing TCU and MSU. From a post many pages back:

"Ohio State passed Baylor when Baylor didn't play. Ohio State's win over Wisconsin will earn them the same action over TCU and MSU."

See? Not "will probably earn" or "should earn" or "will possibly earn" or somesuch, just "will".

In other words, once against rather than "misrepresent" you, I once again flat-out nailed you.

But hey, I really do hope you're having a great turkey dinner. I sure am.

Sorry, wrong. It is not a sure thing that Wisconsin even makes it to the Championship game. MSU may lose to Ole Miss. TCU may lose to Texas today or...ISU may once again stick a dagger in the back of it's own conference in the last game.

Nope, you weren't misrepresented, just nailed.

Being generous, we'll assume you didn't claim three certainties: That Wisconsin will make the title game, that OSU will beat them, and doing so will move them past TCU and MSS in the CFP rankings.

That would be mean, so we'll just assume you meant to claim just one: That IF Wisconsin makes the title game and IF OSU beats them, then (here's the certainty, just in case your brain is lost by now) the committee WILL move OSU ahead of MSS and TCU. Can't let you off that hook since anything else just wouldn't comport with the words you used.

Either way though, you claimed a certainty, and thus you are nailed.

Hell, as a weasel-attempt, that wasn't even clever, just laughable.

Happy Black Friday!

Sorry, you are wrong, and in usual ******* form...you act the *******. You didn't nail me at all and you really aren't that clever either.

It is a certainty that Ohio State has a strong chance at moving into the top 4.

You have now gone from the ridiculous to the absurd. Your own words clearly and unambiguously state that OSU will, not might, will, jump MSS and TCU if they beat Wisconsin in the B1G title game.

You can curse and rant and whinny all you want, but it's right there for everyone to see.

Nailed.

(11-28-2014 10:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:14 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 07:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 04:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  You're so twisted you're replying to yourself now, but on the assumption you meant to refer to me, I'll say that no, you've expressed certainty, not probability, about OSU passing TCU and MSU. From a post many pages back:

"Ohio State passed Baylor when Baylor didn't play. Ohio State's win over Wisconsin will earn them the same action over TCU and MSU."

See? Not "will probably earn" or "should earn" or "will possibly earn" or somesuch, just "will".

In other words, once against rather than "misrepresent" you, I once again flat-out nailed you.

But hey, I really do hope you're having a great turkey dinner. I sure am.

Sorry, wrong. It is not a sure thing that Wisconsin even makes it to the Championship game. MSU may lose to Ole Miss. TCU may lose to Texas today or...ISU may once again stick a dagger in the back of it's own conference in the last game.

Nope, you weren't misrepresented, just nailed.

Being generous, we'll assume you didn't claim three certainties: That Wisconsin will make the title game, that OSU will beat them, and doing so will move them past TCU and MSS in the CFP rankings.

That would be mean, so we'll just assume you meant to claim just one: That IF Wisconsin makes the title game and IF OSU beats them, then (here's the certainty, just in case your brain is lost by now) the committee WILL move OSU ahead of MSS and TCU. Can't let you off that hook since anything else just wouldn't comport with the words you used.

Either way though, you claimed a certainty, and thus you are nailed.

Hell, as a weasel-attempt, that wasn't even clever, just laughable.

Happy Black Friday!

Sorry, you are wrong, and in usual ******* form...you act the *******. You didn't nail me at all and you really aren't that clever either.

It is a certainty that Ohio State has a strong chance at moving into the top 4.

You have now gone from the ridiculous to the absurd. Your own words clearly and unambiguously state that OSU will, not might, will, jump MSS and TCU if they beat Wisconsin in the B1G title game.

You can curse and rant and whinny all you want, but it's right there for everyone to see.

Nailed.

Yes, I believe the odds are in favor of Ohio State jumping MSU if Ohio State wins out against Wisconsin. That isn't nailing me for claiming any certaintudes. You are just pathetically hung up on this concept. You don't hold discussions here, you simply attack. I attack but only after first holding discussions and then getting attacked during them.

That is why you are an ass. This whole "nailed" thing just goes to show I am the better man than you. You are a mere boy that has proved nothing and yet at the same time feels some irrational need to tell yourself that you have.

(11-28-2014 10:30 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:14 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 07:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Sorry, wrong. It is not a sure thing that Wisconsin even makes it to the Championship game. MSU may lose to Ole Miss. TCU may lose to Texas today or...ISU may once again stick a dagger in the back of it's own conference in the last game.

Nope, you weren't misrepresented, just nailed.

Being generous, we'll assume you didn't claim three certainties: That Wisconsin will make the title game, that OSU will beat them, and doing so will move them past TCU and MSS in the CFP rankings.

That would be mean, so we'll just assume you meant to claim just one: That IF Wisconsin makes the title game and IF OSU beats them, then (here's the certainty, just in case your brain is lost by now) the committee WILL move OSU ahead of MSS and TCU. Can't let you off that hook since anything else just wouldn't comport with the words you used.

Either way though, you claimed a certainty, and thus you are nailed.

Hell, as a weasel-attempt, that wasn't even clever, just laughable.

Happy Black Friday!

Sorry, you are wrong, and in usual ******* form...you act the *******. You didn't nail me at all and you really aren't that clever either.

It is a certainty that Ohio State has a strong chance at moving into the top 4.

You have now gone from the ridiculous to the absurd. Your own words clearly and unambiguously state that OSU will, not might, will, jump MSS and TCU if they beat Wisconsin in the B1G title game.

You can curse and rant and whinny all you want, but it's right there for everyone to see.

Nailed.

Yes, I believe the odds are in favor of Ohio State jumping MSU if Ohio State wins out against Wisconsin. That isn't nailing me for claiming any certaintudes.

The only reason I nailed you for claiming a certitude was because you did, and then when I reminded you that you did, you falsely claimed that you hadn't and that I therefore was "misrepresenting" what you had said. When I am falsely accused, I like to set the record straight.

This statement here is much more reasonable, even though I disagree. I think that if MSS beats Ole Miss, they will probably make the playoffs, because they will have no games left to play and nothing anyone below them can do is likely to cause them to get jumped. OSU and TCU will thus have to hope that one of the other three top 4 teams loses so they can move up.

But we shall see. Personally, I hope that OSU and MSS win out so this situation actually develops. Then we will see if the better resume (MSS) trumps the bigger brand name and the full-court press of B1G political pressure that will swell behind OSU. I think the better resume will prevail, but ... I could be wrong.

(11-28-2014 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:30 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:14 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Nope, you weren't misrepresented, just nailed.

Being generous, we'll assume you didn't claim three certainties: That Wisconsin will make the title game, that OSU will beat them, and doing so will move them past TCU and MSS in the CFP rankings.

That would be mean, so we'll just assume you meant to claim just one: That IF Wisconsin makes the title game and IF OSU beats them, then (here's the certainty, just in case your brain is lost by now) the committee WILL move OSU ahead of MSS and TCU. Can't let you off that hook since anything else just wouldn't comport with the words you used.

Either way though, you claimed a certainty, and thus you are nailed.

Hell, as a weasel-attempt, that wasn't even clever, just laughable.

Happy Black Friday!

Sorry, you are wrong, and in usual ******* form...you act the *******. You didn't nail me at all and you really aren't that clever either.

It is a certainty that Ohio State has a strong chance at moving into the top 4.

You have now gone from the ridiculous to the absurd. Your own words clearly and unambiguously state that OSU will, not might, will, jump MSS and TCU if they beat Wisconsin in the B1G title game.

You can curse and rant and whinny all you want, but it's right there for everyone to see.

Nailed.

Yes, I believe the odds are in favor of Ohio State jumping MSU if Ohio State wins out against Wisconsin. That isn't nailing me for claiming any certaintudes.

The only reason I nailed you for claiming a certitude was because you did, and then when I reminded you that you did, you falsely claimed that you hadn't and that I therefore was "misrepresenting" what you had said. When I am falsely accused, I like to set the record straight.

This statement here is much more reasonable, even though I disagree. I think that if MSS beats Ole Miss, they will probably make the playoffs, because they will have no games left to play and nothing anyone below them can do is likely to cause them to get jumped. OSU and TCU will thus have to hope that one of the other three top 4 teams loses so they can move up.

But we shall see. Personally, I hope that OSU and MSS win out so this situation actually develops. Then we will see if the better resume (MSS) trumps the bigger brand name and the full-court press of B1G political pressure that will swell behind OSU. I think the better resume will prevail, but ... I could be wrong.

Mississippi St. has the best remaining game, so they have set it up to keep them in 4th. But TCU clearly has a better resume. No other school has beaten 4 teams ranked at the time they played them. Noone has more than 3 top 25 wins. Not sure Ohio St. won't have a better resume. MSU is in based on some eyeball test. And they really haven't dominated very often.

Baylor had that same "advantage" as you call it and yet Ohio State passed them when Baylor didn't play. Ohio State will have that same exact situation on Championship week. We will find out just how strongly the Committee members will weigh winning a Conference Championship game against a strong opponent. If they give it any weight above a regular game then Ohio State will get in.

Why? Because a team that already beat Mississippi State is also in the top four. Alabama/LSU will be on the minds of those Committee members, there is no denying that. There are plenty of reasons for Ohio State to pass up MSU. In their final games, Ohio State will have won against the stronger team. While Ole Miss may have started strong this year. It is pretty obvious that they are not the team they were then or...they are the same team and everyone else has gotten better.

Arkansas blanked Ole Miss. A win against them is no longer that impressive. It isn't that I don't like that Arkansas team. I think they are primed to be a power in the SEC in the future but they BLANKED Ole Miss. A win against Ole Miss is not going to be seen as all that strong of a win.


In regards to TCU, they will be playing against ISU while Ohio State is playing Wisconsin...in a Conference Championship game. We will see just how strongly those championships are figured by the Committee. These discussions will be easier next season. For now though, I will just remind folks of what ISU did to OSU and their National Championship dream. It is interesting that ISU once again has the same opportunity.

(11-28-2014 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:30 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:14 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Sorry, you are wrong, and in usual ******* form...you act the *******. You didn't nail me at all and you really aren't that clever either.

It is a certainty that Ohio State has a strong chance at moving into the top 4.

You have now gone from the ridiculous to the absurd. Your own words clearly and unambiguously state that OSU will, not might, will, jump MSS and TCU if they beat Wisconsin in the B1G title game.

You can curse and rant and whinny all you want, but it's right there for everyone to see.

Nailed.

Yes, I believe the odds are in favor of Ohio State jumping MSU if Ohio State wins out against Wisconsin. That isn't nailing me for claiming any certaintudes.

The only reason I nailed you for claiming a certitude was because you did, and then when I reminded you that you did, you falsely claimed that you hadn't and that I therefore was "misrepresenting" what you had said. When I am falsely accused, I like to set the record straight.

This statement here is much more reasonable, even though I disagree. I think that if MSS beats Ole Miss, they will probably make the playoffs, because they will have no games left to play and nothing anyone below them can do is likely to cause them to get jumped. OSU and TCU will thus have to hope that one of the other three top 4 teams loses so they can move up.

But we shall see. Personally, I hope that OSU and MSS win out so this situation actually develops. Then we will see if the better resume (MSS) trumps the bigger brand name and the full-court press of B1G political pressure that will swell behind OSU. I think the better resume will prevail, but ... I could be wrong.

Mississippi St. has the best remaining game, so they have set it up to keep them in 4th. But TCU clearly has a better resume. No other school has beaten 4 teams ranked at the time they played them. Noone has more than 3 top 25 wins. Not sure Ohio St. won't have a better resume. MSU is in based on some eyeball test. And they really haven't dominated very often.

I don't give much (any) credence to "ranking at the time the game was played", because those rankings lack complete information and often turn out to be wrong. E.g., when Ohio State played VT, I think VT was ranked, but subsequent play has revealed that VT wasn't nearly as good as people thought they were at the time of the game. You can't tell who played "real" ranked teams until the end of the season, when we have all the data.

Second, if we're going to talk about schedules, best to look at objective indicators. As of right now, Sagarin says MSS and TCU have played essentially the same schedule (#37 MSS versus #39 TCU). That will likely tilt in MSU's favor once they play Ole Miss.

Also, Massey's composite of 100+ computers has MSS at #3, TCU at #4. Those computers say it is FSU, ranked #7, that doesn't belong in the top 4. FWIW, Massey has Ohio State at #8. These are computers so they don't have human bias, they just crunch the kind of numbers you are talking about.

So no, I don't think MSS's rank is based on some biased "eyeball test", not when the computers are rating them in the top 4 as well. And I don't think there's much evidence that TCU has a better resume.

(11-28-2014 10:52 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Baylor had that same "advantage" as you call it and yet Ohio State passed them when Baylor didn't play. Ohio State will have that same exact situation on Championship week. We will find out just how strongly the Committee members will weigh winning a Conference Championship game against a strong opponent. If they give it any weight above a regular game then Ohio State will get in.

Why? Because a team that already beat Mississippi State is also in the top four. Alabama/LSU will be on the minds of those Committee members, there is no denying that. There are plenty of reasons for Ohio State to pass up MSU. In their final games, Ohio State will have won against the stronger team. While Ole Miss may have started strong this year. It is pretty obvious that they are not the team they were then or...they are the same team and everyone else has gotten better.

Arkansas blanked Ole Miss. A win against them is no longer that impressive. It isn't that I don't like that Arkansas team. I think they are primed to be a power in the SEC in the future but they BLANKED Ole Miss. A win against Ole Miss is not going to be seen as all that strong of a win.


In regards to TCU, they will be playing against ISU while Ohio State is playing Wisconsin...in a Conference Championship game. We will see just how strongly those championships are figured by the Committee. These discussions will be easier next season. For now though, I will just remind folks of what ISU did to OSU and their National Championship dream. It is interesting that ISU once again has the same opportunity.

God forbid Missouri pulls an upset on Alabama if they win the SEC west, and MS State manages to lose in Oxford. Then you have an SEC champion who is presently ranked 17th and will probably not make the top ten even with a win over Alabama...

Go Mizzou!

(11-28-2014 10:22 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:52 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Baylor had that same "advantage" as you call it and yet Ohio State passed them when Baylor didn't play. Ohio State will have that same exact situation on Championship week. We will find out just how strongly the Committee members will weigh winning a Conference Championship game against a strong opponent. If they give it any weight above a regular game then Ohio State will get in.

Why? Because a team that already beat Mississippi State is also in the top four. Alabama/LSU will be on the minds of those Committee members, there is no denying that. There are plenty of reasons for Ohio State to pass up MSU. In their final games, Ohio State will have won against the stronger team. While Ole Miss may have started strong this year. It is pretty obvious that they are not the team they were then or...they are the same team and everyone else has gotten better.

Arkansas blanked Ole Miss. A win against them is no longer that impressive. It isn't that I don't like that Arkansas team. I think they are primed to be a power in the SEC in the future but they BLANKED Ole Miss. A win against Ole Miss is not going to be seen as all that strong of a win.


In regards to TCU, they will be playing against ISU while Ohio State is playing Wisconsin...in a Conference Championship game. We will see just how strongly those championships are figured by the Committee. These discussions will be easier next season. For now though, I will just remind folks of what ISU did to OSU and their National Championship dream. It is interesting that ISU once again has the same opportunity.

God forbid Missouri pulls an upset on Alabama if they win the SEC west, and MS State manages to lose in Oxford. Then you have an SEC champion who is presently ranked 17th and will probably not make the top ten even with a win over Alabama...

I'm still of the mindset that Alabama has to earn the win over Auburn. I know Auburn has been off the past few weeks but this is the Iron Bowl. They play up for that game.

(11-28-2014 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  Mississippi St. has the best remaining game, so they have set it up to keep them in 4th. But TCU clearly has a better resume. No other school has beaten 4 teams ranked at the time they played them. Noone has more than 3 top 25 wins. Not sure Ohio St. won't have a better resume. MSU is in based on some eyeball test. And they really haven't dominated very often.

Actually, Mississippi State beat three teams in a row that were ranked in the top ten when they played them and a win over Ole Miss would be their fourth win over a ranked opponent. You state that they haven't dominated very often but eight of their ten wins have been by double digits and their closest win (five points) was a 19-point lead with around three minutes to play. Their one loss was by five points on the road to the nation's number one team.

While it may be close -- and people may legitimately argue who has the better team -- I wouldn't say that TCU "clearly has the better resume." TCU deserves a shot at the playoff as well as MSU, but I think they need someone to falter before they can be comfortable that they will be in.