"If a Group of 5 conference champion does not play its way into the ranking by Dec. 7, the committee will evaluate all five conference champions before selecting one for a New Year’s Six bowl".

Assuming no one cracks the Top 25, we're potentially headed towards the following Conference Champions:

AAC - UC, UCF, Memphis
C-USA - Marshall
MAC - NIU
MWC - CSU
SBC - GSU (not eligible)

Based on this group, who do you thing the selection committee chooses?

(11-23-2014 02:11 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  "If a Group of 5 conference champion does not play its way into the ranking by Dec. 7, the committee will evaluate all five conference champions before selecting one for a New Year’s Six bowl".

Assuming no one cracks the Top 25, we're potentially headed towards the following Conference Champions:

AAC - UC, UCF, Memphis
C-USA - Marshall
MAC - NIU
MWC - CSU, Boise State
SBC - GSU (not eligible)

Based on this group, who do you thing the selection committee chooses?

FIFY

If they win out Marshall.

Boise currently has a tiebreaker over CSU but Utah State may beat them, making it moot.

(11-23-2014 02:27 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Boise currently has a tiebreaker over CSU but Utah State may beat them, making it moot.

Yes, this is very premature. Your choice could be between a 5 way tie in AAC-Houston, ECU, UCF, Memphis, Cincinnati;
CUSA-Rice or Louisiana Tech
MAC-Bowling Green, Western Michigan or Toledo
Sun Belt-Louisiana Lafayette
MWC-Utah St., SDSU, Nevada or Fresno.

Boise State is going if they win out.

It will not be UCF. The only non conference team win, of any note, was BYU. Other G5 teams had better wins.

Boise is probably riding #1
Colorado State at #2 if Boise loss occurs next week.
Marshall at #2 if Boise does not CCG.
Technically, I think Ga Southern is eligible to be picked by the committee since it is the conference champ but it can't go to any other bowl if not picked.
After all the above scenarios it becomes a cluster f$#!

(11-23-2014 03:10 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Boise State is going if they win out.

Yeah that would be 11-2, I might go there.

1. Marshall if they win out
2. Colorado St if boise st losses
3. Boise St if they win out
4. NIU if they win out
5. aac champ memphis I believe

(11-23-2014 03:39 PM)nbcards Wrote:  1. Marshall if they win out
2. Colorado St if boise st losses
3. Boise St if they win out
4. NIU if they win out
5. aac champ memphis I believe

This. But the top 3 are close. And I'm biased.

Pulling for CSU personally, if an AAC team doesn't get it.

The committee has stated numerous times that they do not respect Marshall's schedule. Marshall was 10-0 last week and was not ranked in their top 25, struggling against UAB to get to 11-0 is not going to help and Marshall only has one more game that counts. And that final game is against a 5-6 Western Kentucky team who has only beaten two teams with winning records and those two teams are nothing to brag about (UTEP & Bowling Green).

So I'm not seeing how Marshall is going to magically get into the access bowl over Boise State who could be 10-2 this weekend with wins over

9 win Utah State
6-7 win SDSU
7-8 win BYU
6-7 win UNLV
7-8 win ULL
10-11 win CSU

And they played a pretty good Ole Miss team very toughly.

We have already seen that committee weighs very heavily on SOS and they have even as far as to knock undefeated FSU for their schedule.

Marshall's biggest hope was that La Tech would win out and dominate La Tech in the CUSA championship game that does not really count anyway. But the championship game could very well be against Rice again.

(11-23-2014 05:23 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  The committee has stated numerous times that they do not respect Marshall's schedule. Marshall was 10-0 last week and was not ranked in their top 25, struggling against UAB to get to 11-0 is not going to help and Marshall only has one more game that counts. And that final game is against a 5-6 Western Kentucky team who has only beaten two teams with winning records and those two teams are nothing to brag about (UTEP & Bowling Green).

So I'm not seeing how Marshall is going to magically get into the access bowl over Boise State who could be 10-2 this weekend with wins over

9 win Utah State
6-7 win SDSU
7-8 win BYU
6-7 win UNLV
7-8 win ULL
10-11 win CSU

And they played a pretty good Ole Miss team very toughly.

We have already seen that committee weighs very heavily on SOS and they have even as far as to knock undefeated FSU for their schedule.

Marshall's biggest hope was that La Tech would win out and dominate La Tech in the CUSA championship game that does not really count anyway. But the championship game could very well be against Rice again.

Why do you say the championship game doesn't count? I think the championship games will count more than any game played yet, regardless of conference. CUSA, MWC, SEC, B1G, PAC, and ACC CCG are all going to have huge implications for who plays where on New Years. If Marshall blows out LaTech and Boise struggles with Nevada/SDSt, then that tips the scales slightly towards Marshall. The opposite would be true. The question is where do those scales lean now.

(11-23-2014 03:10 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Boise State is going if they win out.

Could happen but I doubt it. Their loss to AFA hurts a little more now that AFA lost to a less than stellar SDSU. CSU would have a very good shot if BSU goes down again. Marshall is in the drivers seat.

(11-23-2014 05:23 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  The committee has stated numerous times that they do not respect Marshall's schedule. Marshall was 10-0 last week and was not ranked in their top 25, struggling against UAB to get to 11-0 is not going to help and Marshall only has one more game that counts. And that final game is against a 5-6 Western Kentucky team who has only beaten two teams with winning records and those two teams are nothing to brag about (UTEP & Bowling Green).

So I'm not seeing how Marshall is going to magically get into the access bowl over Boise State who could be 10-2 this weekend with wins over

9 win Utah State
6-7 win SDSU
7-8 win BYU
6-7 win UNLV
7-8 win ULL
10-11 win CSU

And they played a pretty good Ole Miss team very toughly.

We have already seen that committee weighs very heavily on SOS and they have even as far as to knock undefeated FSU for their schedule.

Marshall's biggest hope was that La Tech would win out and dominate La Tech in the CUSA championship game that does not really count anyway. But the championship game could very well be against Rice again.

The only way we will know what the committee will weigh heavily is how they vote after all the games are played. And even then, we'll probably still have to guess how much of what they say represents real reasons and how much is just excuses for indulging their biases.

I'm hoping for Memphis or Boise State. Marshall, despite their schedule, would earn it over UCF even if we won the AAC. I'm starting to warm on Marshall because it's incredibly difficult to go undefeated no matter who you play cause you're going to get everyone's best shot. If Marshall does get it I'll be pissed if they don't win the access bowl. You'll probably never hear they end of it from all the G5 fans.

(11-23-2014 06:19 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I'm hoping for Memphis or Boise State. Marshall, despite their schedule, would earn it over UCF even if we won the AAC. I'm starting to warm on Marshall because it's incredibly difficult to go undefeated no matter who you play cause you're going to get everyone's best shot. If Marshall does get it I'll be pissed if they don't win the access bowl. You'll probably never hear they end of it from all the G5 fans.

I think should we get the bowl berth, we would put up a good showing. I think on a neutral field, there are only a couple teams we couldn't play with. At home, I think we could beat anyone. If we get a Georgia/Ole Miss/Missouri type of team, we'll have a shot to win at the end. We may not have an outstanding resume and may not have beaten anybody worth bragging about, but that doesn't mean we don't have a good football team.

(11-23-2014 06:19 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I'm hoping for Memphis or Boise State. Marshall, despite their schedule, would earn it over UCF even if we won the AAC.

I do think that Marshall has to lose to hand it to the AAC champ this year.

However, if Boise wins next week, and goes to the MWC CCG and scores a convincing win, it will be hard to put Marshall in over a school that went 2-1 against three better teams than Marshall played all year, in Ol' Miss, Colorado State and Utah State. And if Utah State trips Boise up, and Colorado State is able to go to the MWC CCG and wins it, it would be pretty automatic that a 12-1 Colorado State with two P5 conference schools on their schedule is picked over as 13-0 Marshall with their schedule.

(11-23-2014 06:39 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 06:19 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I'm hoping for Memphis or Boise State. Marshall, despite their schedule, would earn it over UCF even if we won the AAC.

I do think that Marshall has to lose to hand it to the AAC champ this year.

However, if Boise wins next week, and goes to the MWC CCG and scores a convincing win, it will be hard to put Marshall in over a school that went 2-1 against three better teams than Marshall played all year, in Ol' Miss, Colorado State and Utah State. And if Utah State trips Boise up, and Colorado State is able to go to the MWC CCG and wins it, it would be pretty automatic that a 12-1 Colorado State with two P5 conference schools on their schedule is picked over as 13-0 Marshall with their schedule.

I agree, though I think the loss to Air Force puts Marshall in barely over Boise at the moment.

Also, it's frustrating to me and should be to any fan of a G5 school that Colorado St's win over Colorado is viewed by many as their second best win, when in reality it's probably only slightly more impressive than the win over UC-Davis.

(11-23-2014 05:48 PM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 05:23 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  The committee has stated numerous times that they do not respect Marshall's schedule. Marshall was 10-0 last week and was not ranked in their top 25, struggling against UAB to get to 11-0 is not going to help and Marshall only has one more game that counts. And that final game is against a 5-6 Western Kentucky team who has only beaten two teams with winning records and those two teams are nothing to brag about (UTEP & Bowling Green).

So I'm not seeing how Marshall is going to magically get into the access bowl over Boise State who could be 10-2 this weekend with wins over

9 win Utah State
6-7 win SDSU
7-8 win BYU
6-7 win UNLV
7-8 win ULL
10-11 win CSU

And they played a pretty good Ole Miss team very toughly.

We have already seen that committee weighs very heavily on SOS and they have even as far as to knock undefeated FSU for their schedule.

Marshall's biggest hope was that La Tech would win out and dominate La Tech in the CUSA championship game that does not really count anyway. But the championship game could very well be against Rice again.

Why do you say the championship game doesn't count? I think the championship games will count more than any game played yet, regardless of conference. CUSA, MWC, SEC, B1G, PAC, and ACC CCG are all going to have huge implications for who plays where on New Years. If Marshall blows out LaTech and Boise struggles with Nevada/SDSt, then that tips the scales slightly towards Marshall. The opposite would be true. The question is where do those scales lean now.

I'm to lazy to look for you but it's already been stated that the committee will not use championship games as a benefit against those who do not have them. Regardless, blowing out Rice/La Tech will not really do anything for Marshall. Especially, if it's Rice again.


And you can look at how the committee has been this whole season. They do not care about Marshall's margin of victory against bad teams. I would actually be willing to bet that Boise State is going to be No. 25 in this upcoming poll.

I'm not trying to sound anti Marshall but your ignoring the comments and actions of the committee this entire season to hope Marshall will get in over Boise.

You guys would get in over the AAC, SBC, and MAC champs right now. But Boise has a lot of victories over winning teams where Marshall only has one or two.