(11-18-2014 05:51 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Every single year under Larry and Cal we looked sloppy and undisciplined early in the year.

This particular complaint is business as usual.

I actually expected it to be much worse this year with so many new guys, but we did a decent job for stretches of the game.

Who knows how the season plays out, but the team is something more than just merely sloppy and undisciplined right now.

(11-18-2014 05:51 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  And, all we've heard since summer is their focus is defense and playing through the post.

And we don't see any of that.

How can you play through the post when you don't have post players? Goodwin is just not very good. He's an energy guy and a cheerleader. He will have a few decent to good games, but he just isn't consistent and isn't a post scorer. Nichols too will have some really good games but he isn't very good in the post with his back to the basket. He usually ends up trying that hideous reverse layup that he never seems to make. Hitting a few 5-10 foot baseline jumpers or a ft line extended jumper and getting a few putbacks doesn't make you a post player.

(11-18-2014 07:25 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:12 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:05 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Didn't realize I'd struck such a nerve. Don't take things so personally, it's a message board.

Think of it in the same terms of a bad movie like Sharknado. Just entertaining enough to where you don't change the channel.

Oh no!

Not the old "struck a nerve" and "don't take it seriously" routine.

lol

Next time, just hold your guns a bit longer and wait for people to actually say positive things about the team before jumping in and labeling them as the rose colored glasses crowd. It makes things a lot less confusing.

Now go get your rose colored shine box.

F'in HILARIOUS. +2

(11-18-2014 07:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 05:38 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I'm stunned.

We have most of our key players back, have had no injuries, and have had 4 full practices with the entire team.

We should have looked like a disciplined, well oiled machine against a superior opponent like that in our season debut.

Its not like we had 10 guys playing their first D1 game together.

I think WSU played 8 guys who didnt log minutes last year

And returned 4 of their top 5 players from a 35-1 team.

I only posted that to show that everyone is integrating new players.

Just a sloppy attempt at fitting your typical predictable narrative, without having anything remotely resembling a clue. How did the 8 newcomers for Wichita State do? Glad you asked.

69 minutes
11 points
11 rebounds
2 assists
6 turnovers
14 personal fouls

36.3% field goal percentage (4/11)
25.0% three point (1/4)
80.0% free throw (4/5)

34.5% of the team's minutes
15.4% of the team's points
15.3% of the team's assists
60.9% of the team's fouls
28.9% of the team's rebounds
46.2% of the team's turnovers

Your post; which I suppose was intended as a swipe at Pastner; instead does the exact opposite. Just in case you're not sure what you accomplished; you "just showed everyone" that it is very difficult to integrate new players at the D1 level. In other words, you just clowned your own post.

They played that bad and we still got smoked. Wow we really are bad this year.

(11-18-2014 08:41 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I think WSU played 8 guys who didnt log minutes last year

And returned 4 of their top 5 players from a 35-1 team.

I only posted that to show that everyone is integrating new players.

Just a sloppy attempt at fitting your typical predictable narrative, without having anything remotely resembling a clue. How did the 8 newcomers for Wichita State do? Glad you asked.

69 minutes
11 points
11 rebounds
2 assists
6 turnovers
14 personal fouls

36.3% field goal percentage (4/11)
25.0% three point (1/4)
80.0% free throw (4/5)

34.5% of the team's minutes
15.4% of the team's points
15.3% of the team's assists
60.9% of the team's fouls
28.9% of the team's rebounds
46.2% of the team's turnovers

Your post; which I suppose was intended as a swipe at Pastner; instead does the exact opposite. Just in case you're not sure what you accomplished; you "just showed everyone" that it is very difficult to integrate new players at the D1 level. In other words, you just clowned your own post.

They played that bad and we still got smoked. Wow we really are bad this year.

Once again, among the other guys were 4 that started on a 35-1 team last year. TWO of them are All-American candidates. ONE of them IS a 1st team pre-season All American.

We countered with ...what? You'll have to remind me.

(11-18-2014 07:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 05:38 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I'm stunned.

We have most of our key players back, have had no injuries, and have had 4 full practices with the entire team.

We should have looked like a disciplined, well oiled machine against a superior opponent like that in our season debut.

Its not like we had 10 guys playing their first D1 game together.

I think WSU played 8 guys who didnt log minutes last year

And returned 4 of their top 5 players from a 35-1 team.

I only posted that to show that everyone is integrating new players.

Just a sloppy attempt at fitting your typical predictable narrative, without having anything remotely resembling a clue. How did the 8 newcomers for Wichita State do? Glad you asked.

69 minutes
11 points
11 rebounds
2 assists
6 turnovers
14 personal fouls

36.3% field goal percentage (4/11)
25.0% three point (1/4)
80.0% free throw (4/5)

34.5% of the team's minutes
15.4% of the team's points
15.3% of the team's assists
60.9% of the team's fouls
28.9% of the team's rebounds
46.2% of the team's turnovers

Your post; which I suppose was intended as a swipe at Pastner; instead does the exact opposite. Just in case you're not sure what you accomplished; you "just showed everyone" that it is very difficult to integrate new players at the D1 level. In other words, you just clowned your own post.

No it shows that if you have a core of players which we have you SHOULD still be able to compete...You see they integrated their new players in and Still Wiped the floor with us.

But spin it however you like...We all know you spin facts to fit your needs...

(11-18-2014 07:25 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:12 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:05 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Didn't realize I'd struck such a nerve. Don't take things so personally, it's a message board.

Think of it in the same terms of a bad movie like Sharknado. Just entertaining enough to where you don't change the channel.

Oh no!

Not the old "struck a nerve" and "don't take it seriously" routine.

lol

Next time, just hold your guns a bit longer and wait for people to actually say positive things about the team before jumping in and labeling them as the rose colored glasses crowd. It makes things a lot less confusing.

Now go get your rose colored shine box.

Great movie

(11-18-2014 06:02 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  It's really not that surprising. JP isn't ready for this job. He never was. He was the warm body available at the time. In a perfect world he would've gone through lesser jobs/programs, learned the ropes, gained some wisdom and credibility, and then been eligible for a high-visibility, demanding program like Memphis probably in another 10 years or so. There is no substitute for experience.

+1000 Best synopsis of this mess I have ever read

(11-18-2014 06:38 PM)mapdude Wrote:  Unfortunately, six years in, and the fog and mystique of playing for Memphis (in the recruit's eyes) has finally been burned off by the bright lights of reality, and now we see clearly what this program has become. The "quality" recruits that Josh has brought in can barely dribble a ball at the D1 level.

This is going to be a defining year for Josh to show what kind of coaching job he is capable of. If he is successful in putting lipstick on this pig and winning a ribbon at the county fair, then there is hope for the future. I am not optimistic about his probability of success.

My bigger fear is that the current administration has chosen to make football the bell cow of the athletic program, and that a lower level of success in basketball will be acceptable in the future.

How do others out there think about this?

What do I think about it? Well, you asked.....

Quite frankly, I approve of football being the bell cow of this AP. As has been proven time and time again, football drives the bus. Not just for conference realignment, but for recruiting students as their first choice school. Why do all the quality students (ie. ACT scores in the 26-30 range) want to go to SEC schools? It may be stupid, but it's a fact.

Secondly, I hear this assertion that "basketball is being ignored in favor of football". My question to those that assert such would be - What else would you ask of our admin. to provide for basketball?

They are already shoved down the new students' throats at orientation as if the football team doesn't exist.
They have a new practice facility on the way (although I'm not sure what is wrong with the existing one).
They play in one of the most prestigious arenas in the country.
They have a coach that is payed TOP MONEY.
Josh could probably afford (on the booster's dime) to hire any assistant he wanted to a could convince to come to Memphis.
Really? What else is missing?

(11-18-2014 05:27 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  I wonder how pissed this guy would be if Memphis hired Gregg Marshall after this season.

Please don't get my hopes up.

(11-18-2014 05:38 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I'm stunned.

We have most of our key players back, have had no injuries, and have had 4 full practices with the entire team.

We should have looked like a disciplined, well oiled machine against a superior opponent like that in our season debut.

Its not like we had 10 guys playing their first D1 game together.

With posts like this I'm becoming more & more convinced that Pastner has hired people to troll the internet & social media defending him. Because his defenders sound a lot like him.

(11-18-2014 09:11 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 08:41 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  And returned 4 of their top 5 players from a 35-1 team.

I only posted that to show that everyone is integrating new players.

Just a sloppy attempt at fitting your typical predictable narrative, without having anything remotely resembling a clue. How did the 8 newcomers for Wichita State do? Glad you asked.

69 minutes
11 points
11 rebounds
2 assists
6 turnovers
14 personal fouls

36.3% field goal percentage (4/11)
25.0% three point (1/4)
80.0% free throw (4/5)

34.5% of the team's minutes
15.4% of the team's points
15.3% of the team's assists
60.9% of the team's fouls
28.9% of the team's rebounds
46.2% of the team's turnovers

Your post; which I suppose was intended as a swipe at Pastner; instead does the exact opposite. Just in case you're not sure what you accomplished; you "just showed everyone" that it is very difficult to integrate new players at the D1 level. In other words, you just clowned your own post.

They played that bad and we still got smoked. Wow we really are bad this year.

Once again, among the other guys were 4 that started on a 35-1 team last year. TWO of them are All-American candidates. ONE of them IS a 1st team pre-season All American.

We countered with ...what? You'll have to remind me.

Very little. Thats the point. We are now looking up at programs like Wichita Frikking State. The new darlings of mid-major along with Gonzaga who used to be our little brother.

(11-18-2014 05:51 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Every single year under Larry and Cal we looked sloppy and undisciplined early in the year.

This particular complaint is business as usual.

I actually expected it to be much worse this year with so many new guys, but we did a decent job for stretches of the game.

There isn't a comparison between Larry and Cal to Josh, the other two are way better. You keep telling us how many new guys we have. Cal has a new team at Kentucky every year, and other programs have freshman and new players and seem to do fine.

(11-18-2014 09:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I think WSU played 8 guys who didnt log minutes last year

And returned 4 of their top 5 players from a 35-1 team.

I only posted that to show that everyone is integrating new players.

Just a sloppy attempt at fitting your typical predictable narrative, without having anything remotely resembling a clue. How did the 8 newcomers for Wichita State do? Glad you asked.

69 minutes
11 points
11 rebounds
2 assists
6 turnovers
14 personal fouls

36.3% field goal percentage (4/11)
25.0% three point (1/4)
80.0% free throw (4/5)

34.5% of the team's minutes
15.4% of the team's points
15.3% of the team's assists
60.9% of the team's fouls
28.9% of the team's rebounds
46.2% of the team's turnovers

Your post; which I suppose was intended as a swipe at Pastner; instead does the exact opposite. Just in case you're not sure what you accomplished; you "just showed everyone" that it is very difficult to integrate new players at the D1 level. In other words, you just clowned your own post.

No it shows that if you have a core of players which we have you SHOULD still be able to compete...You see they integrated their new players in and Still Wiped the floor with us.

But spin it however you like...We all know you spin facts to fit your needs...

Their New Guys
69 minutes
11 points
11 rebounds
2 assists
6 turnovers
14 personal fouls

36.3% field goal percentage (4/11)
25.0% three point (1/4)
80.0% free throw (4/5)

Our New Guys
96 minutes
26 points
15 rebounds
2 assists
12 turnovers
11 personal fouls

41.7% field goal percentage (10/24)
25.5% three point (2/8)
57.1% free throw (4/7)

I guess you get some sort of a bizarre thrill out of making a point that doesn't make sense and clowning it.

Quote:But spin it however you like...We all know you spin facts to fit your needs...

You quoted parts of an article as fact and refuted what I said as not factual when I quoted the same article. That is spin at its best. I had a good laugh when you did that. That pretty much says it all about you.

(11-18-2014 11:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:19 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  And returned 4 of their top 5 players from a 35-1 team.

I only posted that to show that everyone is integrating new players.

Just a sloppy attempt at fitting your typical predictable narrative, without having anything remotely resembling a clue. How did the 8 newcomers for Wichita State do? Glad you asked.

69 minutes
11 points
11 rebounds
2 assists
6 turnovers
14 personal fouls

36.3% field goal percentage (4/11)
25.0% three point (1/4)
80.0% free throw (4/5)

34.5% of the team's minutes
15.4% of the team's points
15.3% of the team's assists
60.9% of the team's fouls
28.9% of the team's rebounds
46.2% of the team's turnovers

Your post; which I suppose was intended as a swipe at Pastner; instead does the exact opposite. Just in case you're not sure what you accomplished; you "just showed everyone" that it is very difficult to integrate new players at the D1 level. In other words, you just clowned your own post.

No it shows that if you have a core of players which we have you SHOULD still be able to compete...You see they integrated their new players in and Still Wiped the floor with us.

But spin it however you like...We all know you spin facts to fit your needs...

Their New Guys
69 minutes
11 points
11 rebounds
2 assists
6 turnovers
14 personal fouls

36.3% field goal percentage (4/11)
25.0% three point (1/4)
80.0% free throw (4/5)

Our New Guys
96 minutes
26 points
15 rebounds
2 assists
12 turnovers
11 personal fouls

41.7% field goal percentage (10/24)
25.5% three point (2/8)
57.1% free throw (4/7)

I guess you get some sort of a bizarre thrill out of making a point that doesn't make sense and clowning it.

Quote:But spin it however you like...We all know you spin facts to fit your needs...

You quoted parts of an article as fact and refuted what I said as not factual when I quoted the same article. That is spin at its best. I had a good laugh when you did that. That pretty much says it all about you.

Glad you brought that up...You quoted the article stating that Larry Finch signed a contract in 96 for $110,000 and you said that it was a pay cut. Now answer this question was it a pay cut or not...Is that stated in that article...That is the part that was not factual...Just answer that simple question then laugh. Honestly this speaks volumes about you because my statements where 100% and continue to try to spin them

And to this point it is about integrating them into the team concept and still competing...They integrated 8 new guys and wore us out.

But you are arguing both sides...Now you post stats showing that our new faces outperformed our returning players as far as shooting %'s go. But earlier you were saying that their new players performed so poorly compared to their existing players and that proved your point. Which one is it?

(11-18-2014 10:06 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 05:38 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I'm stunned.

We have most of our key players back, have had no injuries, and have had 4 full practices with the entire team.

We should have looked like a disciplined, well oiled machine against a superior opponent like that in our season debut.

Its not like we had 10 guys playing their first D1 game together.

With posts like this I'm becoming more & more convinced that Pastner has hired people to troll the internet & social media defending him. Because his defenders sound a lot like him.

Bingo

(11-18-2014 10:44 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:11 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 08:41 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I only posted that to show that everyone is integrating new players.

Just a sloppy attempt at fitting your typical predictable narrative, without having anything remotely resembling a clue. How did the 8 newcomers for Wichita State do? Glad you asked.

69 minutes
11 points
11 rebounds
2 assists
6 turnovers
14 personal fouls

36.3% field goal percentage (4/11)
25.0% three point (1/4)
80.0% free throw (4/5)

34.5% of the team's minutes
15.4% of the team's points
15.3% of the team's assists
60.9% of the team's fouls
28.9% of the team's rebounds
46.2% of the team's turnovers

Your post; which I suppose was intended as a swipe at Pastner; instead does the exact opposite. Just in case you're not sure what you accomplished; you "just showed everyone" that it is very difficult to integrate new players at the D1 level. In other words, you just clowned your own post.

They played that bad and we still got smoked. Wow we really are bad this year.

Once again, among the other guys were 4 that started on a 35-1 team last year. TWO of them are All-American candidates. ONE of them IS a 1st team pre-season All American.

We countered with ...what? You'll have to remind me.

Very little. Thats the point. We are now looking up at programs like Wichita Frikking State. The new darlings of mid-major along with Gonzaga who used to be our little brother.

Gonzaga has finished ranked in the top 25 of the final poll a grand total of...ONE time in the last 4 years. They are no better than us, so it is a bit strange of you to make a statement like this. Plus, Pastner is 2-1 against Few head to head.

Almost everyone is looking up to Wichita State. Last year they finished #7 in the rankings. They will be in the top 10 next week. It is bizarre even by your standards to make it seem like any program should be ashamed of this.

(11-18-2014 10:06 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 05:38 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I'm stunned.

We have most of our key players back, have had no injuries, and have had 4 full practices with the entire team.

We should have looked like a disciplined, well oiled machine against a superior opponent like that in our season debut.

Its not like we had 10 guys playing their first D1 game together.

With posts like this I'm becoming more & more convinced that Pastner has hired people to troll the internet & social media defending him. Because his defenders sound a lot like him.

Yeah, I should be paid for that passionate defense of Josh's coaching abilities. I really earned my money there.

Anything reasonable and balanced posted here seems to drive you nuts.

My post was 100% accurate and a perfect description of what we faced today.

Right now, we are playing horrible and Pastner is going to feel the heat until this team starts coming together.

rightfully so

(11-18-2014 11:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:06 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 05:38 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I'm stunned.

We have most of our key players back, have had no injuries, and have had 4 full practices with the entire team.

We should have looked like a disciplined, well oiled machine against a superior opponent like that in our season debut.

Its not like we had 10 guys playing their first D1 game together.

With posts like this I'm becoming more & more convinced that Pastner has hired people to troll the internet & social media defending him. Because his defenders sound a lot like him.

Anything reasonable and balanced posted here seems to drive you nuts.

My post was 100% accurate and a perfect description of what we faced today.

Right now, we are playing horrible and Pastner is going to feel the heat until this team starts coming together.

rightfully so

I actually agree with your third sentence.

(11-18-2014 11:19 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  I actually agree with your third sentence.

So does everyone else in the city of Memphis.

Only the obsessed Pastner haters think there are people here defending the man right now.

All a person has to post is "lets play more than one game first" and somehow that is a blinding defense of the coach now.