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RE: The Sunbelt is going crazy discussing if UAB drops football...
UAB is one of the primary reasons I wanted Tech to come to CUSA. Tulane did something similar to this a few years ago and it scared enough people that they raised 20 million buck to help fix lingering problems.
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RE: The Sunbelt is going crazy discussing if UAB drops football...
(11-14-2014 04:07 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
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(11-14-2014 01:31 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I would hate to lose UAB. Ive enjoyed the games FAU has played against them, and whats happening to the program just isnt right. Whats next, will they try to shut down USA and Troy next? I know they are not part of the same system but damn.

If it happens I could see either USA to keep us in Alabama or GASO to put us in GA. stAte wouldnt be bad either as I admire thier program and they are the only other FBS program in AK so there isnt a lot of competition.

Look west, east candidates will get no support from MT or WKU.

That's correct, nor would there be any support from schools in Texas. I can see a pool of ULL, TSU and USA. USA fits the west, close to USM. Pretty sure that ASU is happy in the SBC and does not want an invite. If UTEP can be convinced that NMSU would improve the conference MBB profile then maybe they would be considered but some Miner fans would have fits over that. UTEP plays that school in everything OOC anyway, may as well make it a conference affair, no?

That's what I would be behind if it comes to this. NMSU for basketball. If UTEP blocks them then I'd go USA.
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RE: The Sunbelt is going crazy discussing if UAB drops football...
(11-14-2014 04:15 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  UAB is one of the primary reasons I wanted Tech to come to CUSA. Tulane did something similar to this a few years ago and it scared enough people that they raised 20 million buck to help fix lingering problems.

UAB was one of the primary reasons? Where did the WAC crumbling and your only other option being the Sun Belt rank?
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(11-14-2014 12:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  A thing we started when MTSU left for CUSA. We're working to make our fans watch all Sun Belt games and not just our teams games.
You make fans watch games? What kind of damn conference is that? 05-stirthepot
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RE: The Sunbelt is going crazy discussing if UAB drops football...
(11-14-2014 04:30 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 04:07 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 03:48 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 01:31 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I would hate to lose UAB. Ive enjoyed the games FAU has played against them, and whats happening to the program just isnt right. Whats next, will they try to shut down USA and Troy next? I know they are not part of the same system but damn.

If it happens I could see either USA to keep us in Alabama or GASO to put us in GA. stAte wouldnt be bad either as I admire thier program and they are the only other FBS program in AK so there isnt a lot of competition.

Look west, east candidates will get no support from MT or WKU.

That's correct, nor would there be any support from schools in Texas. I can see a pool of ULL, TSU and USA. USA fits the west, close to USM. Pretty sure that ASU is happy in the SBC and does not want an invite. If UTEP can be convinced that NMSU would improve the conference MBB profile then maybe they would be considered but some Miner fans would have fits over that. UTEP plays that school in everything OOC anyway, may as well make it a conference affair, no?

That's what I would be behind if it comes to this. NMSU for basketball. If UTEP blocks them then I'd go USA.


I don't think too many eastern schools will be voting to add another long money eating trip to the budget. Nope most if not all of our schools will be looking at ways to get rid of money eating items on the budget. Student enrollment is pretty flat and mos of our schools are filling a large % of the budget with fees from those students...

if you drop 1000 students and their $300 worth of fees that's $300,000 that has to be cut or made up somewhere else. With in the next 3 to 5 years we all will be trying to get 2 money OOC games in football and probably basketball also.
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RE: The Sunbelt is going crazy discussing if UAB drops football...
(11-14-2014 04:43 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 04:30 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 04:07 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 03:48 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 01:31 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I would hate to lose UAB. Ive enjoyed the games FAU has played against them, and whats happening to the program just isnt right. Whats next, will they try to shut down USA and Troy next? I know they are not part of the same system but damn.

If it happens I could see either USA to keep us in Alabama or GASO to put us in GA. stAte wouldnt be bad either as I admire thier program and they are the only other FBS program in AK so there isnt a lot of competition.

Look west, east candidates will get no support from MT or WKU.

That's correct, nor would there be any support from schools in Texas. I can see a pool of ULL, TSU and USA. USA fits the west, close to USM. Pretty sure that ASU is happy in the SBC and does not want an invite. If UTEP can be convinced that NMSU would improve the conference MBB profile then maybe they would be considered but some Miner fans would have fits over that. UTEP plays that school in everything OOC anyway, may as well make it a conference affair, no?

That's what I would be behind if it comes to this. NMSU for basketball. If UTEP blocks them then I'd go USA.


I don't think too many eastern schools will be voting to add another long money eating trip to the budget. Nope most if not all of our schools will be looking at ways to get rid of money eating items on the budget. Student enrollment is pretty flat and mos of our schools are filling a large % of the budget with fees from those students...

if you drop 1000 students and their $300 worth of fees that's $300,000 that has to be cut or made up somewhere else. With in the next 3 to 5 years we all will be trying to get 2 money OOC games in football and probably basketball also.

Schedule NMSU after UTEP. They're 50 miles away.
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RE: The Sunbelt is going crazy discussing if UAB drops football...
(11-14-2014 04:38 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 04:15 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  UAB is one of the primary reasons I wanted Tech to come to CUSA. Tulane did something similar to this a few years ago and it scared enough people that they raised 20 million buck to help fix lingering problems.

UAB was one of the primary reasons? Where did the WAC crumbling and your only other option being the Sun Belt rank?

Most Tech fans identify with UAB, Southern Miss, Memphis etc...

The WAC was very good to us. We had a pretty good run there and played with some quality programs.

When I say primary reasons, i mean since 2005 when the first big wave of expansion took place. Not the recent expansion. Tech fans have wanted to be in CUSA since 1996.
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RE: The Sunbelt is going crazy discussing if UAB drops football...
(11-14-2014 04:43 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 04:30 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 04:07 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 03:48 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 01:31 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I would hate to lose UAB. Ive enjoyed the games FAU has played against them, and whats happening to the program just isnt right. Whats next, will they try to shut down USA and Troy next? I know they are not part of the same system but damn.

If it happens I could see either USA to keep us in Alabama or GASO to put us in GA. stAte wouldnt be bad either as I admire thier program and they are the only other FBS program in AK so there isnt a lot of competition.

Look west, east candidates will get no support from MT or WKU.

That's correct, nor would there be any support from schools in Texas. I can see a pool of ULL, TSU and USA. USA fits the west, close to USM. Pretty sure that ASU is happy in the SBC and does not want an invite. If UTEP can be convinced that NMSU would improve the conference MBB profile then maybe they would be considered but some Miner fans would have fits over that. UTEP plays that school in everything OOC anyway, may as well make it a conference affair, no?

That's what I would be behind if it comes to this. NMSU for basketball. If UTEP blocks them then I'd go USA.


I don't think too many eastern schools will be voting to add another long money eating trip to the budget. Nope most if not all of our schools will be looking at ways to get rid of money eating items on the budget. Student enrollment is pretty flat and mos of our schools are filling a large % of the budget with fees from those students...

if you drop 1000 students and their $300 worth of fees that's $300,000 that has to be cut or made up somewhere else. With in the next 3 to 5 years we all will be trying to get 2 money OOC games in football and probably basketball also.

Its a give and take for EAST and WEST. We in the WEST surely dont like the money consuming trips to South Florida or the Mid Atlantic any more than EAST teams like trips to Texas.
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RE: The Sunbelt is going crazy discussing if UAB drops football...
For those of you worried about travel expenses, you knew this was not a bus league when your school joined. If that's what you're interested in then you're in the wrong place. With teams in Virginia, Florida, Texas and all points in between, there are going to be trips on new fangled transport devices called airplanes.
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if UAB drops football, can CUSA keep them for their olympic sports?
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(11-14-2014 04:58 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  For those of you worried about travel expenses, you knew this was not a bus league when your school joined. If that's what you're interested in then you're in the wrong place. With teams in Virginia, Florida, Texas and all points in between, there are going to be trips on new fangled transport devices called airplanes.

I could care less about travel...I'm going where ever Western plays for football and 90% of basketball. But school presidents that have to consider where the dollars are coming from do care. I'm fairly sure Western isn't the only school with flat enrollment after many years of increases...

you don't only budget for last years enrollment you grow the budget off of predicting the next years increase. So if a school had a increase of 700 students the last few years...

you expect that to be the case next year or with in reason. When you lose 200-400 it hurts your budget. ALL of us are in the same boat in that department. The bubble is going to pop and when it does you don't want another 1700 mile trip for your Olympic Sports.

Nope you want as many bus trips as you can get and for everyone but UTEP Mobile is closer than NMST ...and a bus trip for most of the eastern schools. A long one but still a bus trip.

People that actually have to make the cuts to football & basketball programs need to consider those things and how they can cut cost else where first. And I think USA would easily get the votes over NMST...

and there bottom of the barrel football program and added expense
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(11-14-2014 04:58 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  For those of you worried about travel expenses, you knew this was not a bus league when your school joined. If that's what you're interested in then you're in the wrong place. With teams in Virginia, Florida, Texas and all points in between, there are going to be trips on new fangled transport devices called airplanes.

Interesting, as that was not a consideration when CUSA was founded. I hadn't thought of it in that way. What is the status of current athletic budgets...I really don't know? Could this spawn a change in expansion strategy? Nevertheless, I think I'd look for a replacement if needed (hopefully not)... to TV! They'll be the ones to dictate where any possible +/- will come from.

techdawg88 Wrote:if UAB drops football, can CUSA keep them for their olympic sports?

Not according to bylaws...adopted by a majority of members who are not currently present. So, who knows?
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(11-14-2014 05:28 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 04:58 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  For those of you worried about travel expenses, you knew this was not a bus league when your school joined. If that's what you're interested in then you're in the wrong place. With teams in Virginia, Florida, Texas and all points in between, there are going to be trips on new fangled transport devices called airplanes.

Interesting, as that was not a consideration when CUSA was founded. I hadn't thought of it in that way. What is the status of current athletic budgets...I really don't know? Could this spawn a change in expansion strategy? Nevertheless, I think I'd look for a replacement if needed (hopefully not)... to TV! They'll be the ones to dictate where any possible +/- will come from.

techdawg88 Wrote:if UAB drops football, can CUSA keep them for their olympic sports?

Not according to bylaws...adopted by a majority of members who are not currently present. So, who knows?

CUSA can't afford to lose UAB's basketball programs
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(11-14-2014 04:52 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  
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(11-14-2014 04:15 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  UAB is one of the primary reasons I wanted Tech to come to CUSA. Tulane did something similar to this a few years ago and it scared enough people that they raised 20 million buck to help fix lingering problems.

UAB was one of the primary reasons? Where did the WAC crumbling and your only other option being the Sun Belt rank?

Most Tech fans identify with UAB, Southern Miss, Memphis etc...

The WAC was very good to us. We had a pretty good run there and played with some quality programs.

When I say primary reasons, i mean since 2005 when the first big wave of expansion took place. Not the recent expansion. Tech fans have wanted to be in CUSA since 1996.

Yeah, I know all that and understood you meant UAB has always been one of the attractive features of CUSA for LT(for MT as well) it just sounded kind of funny considering the circumstances under which you finally made it.
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(11-14-2014 05:23 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 04:58 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  For those of you worried about travel expenses, you knew this was not a bus league when your school joined. If that's what you're interested in then you're in the wrong place. With teams in Virginia, Florida, Texas and all points in between, there are going to be trips on new fangled transport devices called airplanes.

I could care less about travel...I'm going where ever Western plays for football and 90% of basketball. But school presidents that have to consider where the dollars are coming from do care. I'm fairly sure Western isn't the only school with flat enrollment after many years of increases...

you don't only budget for last years enrollment you grow the budget off of predicting the next years increase. So if a school had a increase of 700 students the last few years...

you expect that to be the case next year or with in reason. When you lose 200-400 it hurts your budget. ALL of us are in the same boat in that department. The bubble is going to pop and when it does you don't want another 1700 mile trip for your Olympic Sports.

Nope you want as many bus trips as you can get and for everyone but UTEP Mobile is closer than NMST ...and a bus trip for most of the eastern schools. A long one but still a bus trip.

People that actually have to make the cuts to football & basketball programs need to consider those things and how they can cut cost else where first. And I think USA would easily get the votes over NMST...

and there bottom of the barrel football program and added expense

With projections of enrollment being flat or falling nationwide expenses are a serious consideration when you consider that the large part of G5 budgets tends to come from student fees (totally enrollment dependent) and auxillary budgets (profits from dorms, cafeteria, bookstore, vending machines etc) that are also highly enrollment dependent.

Now past experience tells us that FBS type schools in the coming environment are far more likely to be flat or even grow during periods of declining enrollment because they are more likely to be attractive to those entering school leading to the smaller schools losing both market share and enrollment.

Nationally the trend is also toward less government direct aid to higher ed a trend that has been brewing for 30 years. Schools with high overhead cannot afford to divert auxillary revenue to athletics because they will require that money for operating expenses.

Right now you don't want to be a college that is carrying a lot of debt. AState has been slicing its debt to income ratio because we are trying to build a cash reserve. Rumor mill says one, maybe two junior colleges in the state are negotiating to join our system (one has a lucrative workplace training program we covet) and at least one four year school has had informal talks of merging into our system because we've got the revenue to absorb them.

That's the upside of a sluggish economy, right now is a great time to acquire assets if you can afford them, just as Memphis did with Lambuth. University of Arkansas gobbled up three other colleges the last time enrollment trended downward and in the long-run it was a financial home run.

That is one of the hidden benefits of FBS. That name value branding helps your ride out downturns like the one approaching, that's also a weakness that UAB has in not being independent, they cannot capitalize on that because of their board.

I'll wager their Tide neighbor leadership sees UAB being weakened as a positive not because of fear of football but because they expect there will be opportunities to acquire some added campuses and consolidating the supremacy of UAT places UAT in better position to benefit.
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(11-14-2014 04:15 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  UAB is one of the primary reasons I wanted Tech to come to CUSA. Tulane did something similar to this a few years ago and it scared enough people that they raised 20 million buck to help fix lingering problems.

UAB was one of the primary reasons? Where did the WAC crumbling and your only other option being the Sun Belt rank?

Most Tech fans identify with UAB, Southern Miss, Memphis etc...

The WAC was very good to us. We had a pretty good run there and played with some quality programs.

When I say primary reasons, i mean since 2005 when the first big wave of expansion took place. Not the recent expansion. Tech fans have wanted to be in CUSA since 1996.

Yeah, I know all that and understood you meant UAB has always been one of the attractive features of CUSA for LT(for MT as well) it just sounded kind of funny considering the circumstances under which you finally made it.
Right. Can you imagine what it would have been like to have been stuck in a conference with the schools that made up the Sun Belt at that time.
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(11-13-2014 10:43 AM)MTowho Wrote:  Are you guys outta your minds? Arkie State? Georgia f'n Southern? LOL. It's South Alabammer, if it's anything. Here's to UAB getting the support they deserve.

Thank you so much....Frankly, I appreciate that other conferences such as the Sun Belt have enough concern about the fate of UAB Football to talk about what the future could hold, because indirectly, this affects the Sun Belt, too, which way, we'll see, but you can count on this, if those scum bags kill UAB Football, the fan/supporter/donor backlash will be felt campus wide and will be nothing short of catastrophic, they had the nerve after this without so much as a hint of support for the football program to date, to send some of us emails asking for (bleeping) money, you should see some of the reactions and their replies to the (bleep)ers that sent them on Blazertalk. They echoed my sentiments, that is for sure...Not one (bleeping) penny from me! They hit us where it hurts with this...They can expect no less in kind...
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Don't see it happening, don't want it to happen. Can't UAB "break away" from Bama? We all know what it's like fighting against the powers that be and all the local Wal-mart shopping sheep that blindly support and follow the SEC teams in our respective states.

If by some chance UAB did fold, I think USA would move a different direction. Instead of raiding the SB, I could see them looking at a MAC school or JMU.

Wouldn't the conference joining fee be 1 or 2 million? That might give some programs in the MAC or the SB some hesitation. Schools already in FBS woud really have to crunch the numbers regarding travel, transition costs, and possibly adding new sports, to determine if there were any true benefit to moving to CUSA.
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Definitely want UAB in CUSA, but if we did need a program would Missouri State deserve a look? Great basketball, decent sized town, would fit nicely in the west division, etc.
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I hope UAB can save their football program. I don't want them leaving C-USA. If they were to leave, I would not replace them. I would leave the West with 6 teams.
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