What are the chances?

When the Big 12 ceases to exist, the AAC could morph into a 20 team conference that basically becomes the Cinderella provider for an expanded National Playoff.

So in that situation you could possibly look at the AAC as part of the "New Power 5". It wouldn't be equivalent to the 4 remaining Major conferences but if it had an auto berth into the expanded National Playoff then I think it would be able to claim being part of a "New Power 5".

That would work, just not right for a program that has 9 top 16 finishes in 12 yrs and wins over Oregonx2, Oklahoma, Tcux2, Vatech and Georgia during that time to be left in the dust. Anti-american if you ask me, we've built this thing from the ground up!

I would not rule out Boise State to the PAC if the following changes occur:

1) Texas goes to the ACC as an Independent. This will take the biggest prizes off the table for the PAC.

2) Boise State pushes its endowment over 1 Billion dollars. The schools is currently at 83 million. Its going to be at least 2030 before that happens.

3) B1G moves to 16. The PAC probably won't feel pressure to expand until the B1G moves to 16 schools.

Some will say that Boise will never sniff the PAC due to its academics but I think long term that can be fixed. Look at what has happened to Louisville. Idaho is a growing state and can't be ignored forever.

Considering Boise State started as a community college the chances are slim to none. There's a good reason Colorado was selected over Boise State.

(11-13-2014 08:14 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Considering Boise State started as a community college the chances are slim to none. There's a good reason Colorado was selected over Boise State.

If Boise can get their endowment over 1 billion dollars I think would be seen in a different light academically. The school started in 1932 as a JC and moved to university status in 1965 so its very young school.

The whole conversation is a non-starter if Texas is still potentially on the table for the PAC. I don't see the PAC looking beyond Texas until they have to and that could be years or possibly never.

I do see some value in Boise and/or UNLV long term for the PAC. UNLV is up to a 188 million dollar endowment. The Las Vegas market can't be ignored forever. It can be ignored though for a very long time.

(11-13-2014 08:08 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I would not rule out Boise State to the PAC if the following changes occur:

1) Texas goes to the ACC as an Independent. This will take the biggest prizes off the table for the PAC.

2) Boise State pushes its endowment over 1 Billion dollars. The schools is currently at 83 million. Its going to be at least 2030 before that happens.

3) B1G moves to 16. The PAC probably won't feel pressure to expand until the B1G moves to 16 schools.

Some will say that Boise will never sniff the PAC due to its academics but I think long term that can be fixed. Look at what has happened to Louisville. Idaho is a growing state and can't be ignored forever.

Maybe if Boise State merged with The University of Idaho, maybe.

(11-13-2014 08:22 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 08:14 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Considering Boise State started as a community college the chances are slim to none. There's a good reason Colorado was selected over Boise State.

If Boise can get their endowment over 1 billion dollars I think would be seen in a different light academically. The school started in 1932 as a JC and moved to university status in 1965 so its very young school.

The whole conversation is a non-starter if Texas is still potentially on the table for the PAC. I don't see the PAC looking beyond Texas until they have to and that could be years or possibly never.

I do see some value in Boise and/or UNLV long term for the PAC. UNLV is up to a 188 million dollar endowment. The Las Vegas market can't be ignored forever. It can be ignored though for a very long time.

Well yeah.... that kind of goes without saying doesn't it?

(11-13-2014 08:22 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 08:08 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I would not rule out Boise State to the PAC if the following changes occur:

1) Texas goes to the ACC as an Independent. This will take the biggest prizes off the table for the PAC.

2) Boise State pushes its endowment over 1 Billion dollars. The schools is currently at 83 million. Its going to be at least 2030 before that happens.

3) B1G moves to 16. The PAC probably won't feel pressure to expand until the B1G moves to 16 schools.

Some will say that Boise will never sniff the PAC due to its academics but I think long term that can be fixed. Look at what has happened to Louisville. Idaho is a growing state and can't be ignored forever.

Maybe if Boise State merged with The University of Idaho, maybe.

Maybe.

Its a hypothetical idea. I just wouldn't completely dismiss it long term like some will due to Boise's situation at this moment.

(11-13-2014 08:22 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 08:14 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Considering Boise State started as a community college the chances are slim to none. There's a good reason Colorado was selected over Boise State.

If Boise can get their endowment over 1 billion dollars I think would be seen in a different light academically.

USF has done a pretty good job managing its endowment, which now sits at $415m. You know what it was 25 years ago? About $210m.

It's going to take Boise a WHOLE LOT longer than 15 years to miracle an $83m endowment to $1 Billion.

(11-13-2014 08:22 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 08:08 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I would not rule out Boise State to the PAC if the following changes occur:

1) Texas goes to the ACC as an Independent. This will take the biggest prizes off the table for the PAC.

2) Boise State pushes its endowment over 1 Billion dollars. The schools is currently at 83 million. Its going to be at least 2030 before that happens.

3) B1G moves to 16. The PAC probably won't feel pressure to expand until the B1G moves to 16 schools.

Some will say that Boise will never sniff the PAC due to its academics but I think long term that can be fixed. Look at what has happened to Louisville. Idaho is a growing state and can't be ignored forever.

Maybe if Boise State merged with The University of Idaho, maybe.

If that ever happend then going to a P5 conference would have a much better chance.
Univ. of Idaho has had declining enrollment while BSU and Idaho St are having year over year increases. For the size of of Idaho, I'm sure there would be a more efficient use of education dollars to have only 2 large public universities than 3.

How is Boise's athletic department from top to bottom?

Very healthy, basketball is up and coming, womens track and field, wrestling are natl powers plus Boise even though there is only 700k in the metro area is ALL about Boisestate ( no pro sports), the city itself is extremely vibrant and nice. Frank the Tank mentioned Boise's brand transcending its market size and I think that is absolutely true. Put Boise in power5 and you have a sleeping Giant imo

(11-13-2014 12:00 AM)BLEEDBLUE81 Wrote:  What are the chances?

None.

Can't underscore the opening of College of Western Idaho which paved the way for many of the non traditional u.g students to go that route, freeing Boisestate up to add new programs ie. state of the art engineering program, nursing school and the Micron Business school all added in the last 8 yrs. like an earlier poster said, idaho is growing and CAN'T be ignored forever!

(11-13-2014 10:12 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 12:00 AM)BLEEDBLUE81 Wrote:  What are the chances?

None.

Coming from an Smu fan lol... funniest post of the week haha

Personally if the p5 continue to snub us I'd like to see a best of g5 league put together to where were virtually guaranteed a NY6 Bowl each yr ( makes no sense for AAC and MWC) to duke it out each yr, consolidation takes place. WEST: BOISE, AF, FRES, SANDIEGOST, BYU, NEVADA, UNLV

EAST: MEMPHIS, UCF, HOUSTON, N.ILL, CINCY, NAVY AND ECU.

That's a salty league, teams with good fanbases, markets and recruiting grounds!

(11-13-2014 12:04 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  When the Big 12 ceases to exist, the AAC could morph into a 20 team conference that basically becomes the Cinderella provider for an expanded National Playoff.

So in that situation you could possibly look at the AAC as part of the "New Power 5". It wouldn't be equivalent to the 4 remaining Major conferences but if it had an auto berth into the expanded National Playoff then I think it would be able to claim being part of a "New Power 5".

Boise kind of shut that door on the last round of realignment and then sued the AAC so I don't think they'd get a second look in that instance. However, I'm sure we'd likely look at a few other schools from the Mwc.

Things between the AAC and Boise ended amicably, business is business and Aresco knows that, we joined the Bigeast with Louisville, Rutgers and the catholic 7 and promises of atleast 5 mil per yr TV, to say that it wasn't the league we signed up for is the understatement of the yr, inspite of that we paid 3 million and went quietly into the night. That fence can be mended, trust me!

(11-13-2014 08:08 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I would not rule out Boise State to the PAC if the following changes occur:

1) Texas goes to the ACC as an Independent. This will take the biggest prizes off the table for the PAC.

2) Boise State pushes its endowment over 1 Billion dollars. The schools is currently at 83 million. Its going to be at least 2030 before that happens.

3) B1G moves to 16. The PAC probably won't feel pressure to expand until the B1G moves to 16 schools.

Some will say that Boise will never sniff the PAC due to its academics but I think long term that can be fixed. Look at what has happened to Louisville. Idaho is a growing state and can't be ignored forever.

It was a stretch for the ACC to take Louisville, the 161st USNWR rated national university, when most of their schools were in the top 100.

The Pac12 turned down Oklahoma and Oklahoma St, the 106th and 145th USNWR ranked antional universities.

They are going to add Boise St, who isn't even ranked by USNWR as a national university? Boise St is ranked 63rd in the Western Regional University rankings, just behind Walla Walla University and tied with the University of the Incarnarte Word.