(11-10-2014 09:13 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  You know what I think has caused a lot of this?

Some of our fans seem to think that everyone on this board was saying we'd get trampled and hazed in our first year with an FBS schedule. That's not true.

Most of the nay-sayers I noticed were from fans of teams that left last year for CUSA. I think they absolutely couldn't stand the idea the SBC might be getting a better deal football-wise from the conference shift than CUSA was.

Well the Belt kept the two best teams and added two solid FCS programs. It is a wash at best at this point. Ga State will eventually find its way, to much talent in GA not to and hopefully conference stability will help NMSU and Idaho. It cant be easy to recruit when you couldn't tell players where they would be playing half their games. Unless Troy totally goes of the rails and VanGorders their coaching hire we know they are not going to remain that horrible either. This will all shake out in about three years. I for one have my money on the Belt.

(11-10-2014 09:13 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  You know what I think has caused a lot of this?

Some of our fans seem to think that everyone on this board was saying we'd get trampled and hazed in our first year with an FBS schedule. That's not true.

Most of the nay-sayers I noticed were from fans of teams that left last year for CUSA. I think they absolutely couldn't stand the idea the SBC might be getting a better deal football-wise from the conference shift than CUSA was.

Not gonna lie: I said you'd hit 6-7 wins this year, because you got a good schedule (I'm no longer saying weak, I'm saying good).

But, I expected Texas State to perform better, we didn't.
I expected Troy to not be a dumpster fire, they are.
I expected USA to put up more of a fight, they didn't.

(11-10-2014 09:27 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 09:13 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  You know what I think has caused a lot of this?

Some of our fans seem to think that everyone on this board was saying we'd get trampled and hazed in our first year with an FBS schedule. That's not true.

Most of the nay-sayers I noticed were from fans of teams that left last year for CUSA. I think they absolutely couldn't stand the idea the SBC might be getting a better deal football-wise from the conference shift than CUSA was.

Not gonna lie: I said you'd hit 6-7 wins this year, because you got a good schedule (I'm no longer saying weak, I'm saying good).

But, I expected Texas State to perform better, we didn't.
I expected Troy to not be a dumpster fire, they are.
I expected USA to put up more of a fight, they didn't.

It really was a bad game in terms of big mistakes on both teams. I have not been any angrier all season than on that stupid personal foul. Lord if our QB would learn to put some air under the ball and let our wide open receivers make a play instead of throwing darts ten yards over their heads we might be able to be less one dimensional.

Nice of you to man up I only had us at six wins as well, so did most Southern fans BTW. Everything else is a bonus at this point.

(11-09-2014 05:08 PM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  Well, I'm liking GaSo and I'm thinking maybe they should be the Belt's third bowl rep, even if they don't beat Navy ( which they should ).

At the same time, GaSo's best win is over the Sagarin rated 123 USA.

Even Navy is about the bottom third of FBS at Sagarin 84.

Ranking GaSo higher than their Sagarin 74 is not logical.

I have been saying for years that it doesn't matter WHO you beat. People freak out about wanting to beat some powerhouse in non-conference or wanting to get in the "best" conference they can so they can make a splash.

The formula is really easy. Get in any FBS conference and win a lot of games. See Marshall this year, NIU a couple of years ago and Boise for many years for evidence. I believe BIU had the weakest "strength" of schedule in FBS the year they made a BCS bowl.

(11-10-2014 09:37 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 05:08 PM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  Well, I'm liking GaSo and I'm thinking maybe they should be the Belt's third bowl rep, even if they don't beat Navy ( which they should ).

At the same time, GaSo's best win is over the Sagarin rated 123 USA.

Even Navy is about the bottom third of FBS at Sagarin 84.

Ranking GaSo higher than their Sagarin 74 is not logical.

I have been saying for years that it doesn't matter WHO you beat. People freak out about wanting to beat some powerhouse in non-conference or wanting to get in the "best" conference they can so they can make a splash.

The formula is really easy. Get in any FBS conference and win a lot of games. See Marshall this year, NIU a couple of years ago and Boise for many years for evidence. I believe BIU had the weakest "strength" of schedule in FBS the year they made a BCS bowl.

Boise rode and undefeated WAC schedule and beating a P5 team to the BCS. The WAC....it doesn't get much weaker than that.

I think a big issue is that a lot of people don't understand how football has changed with the introduction of the committee. Used to it was based on polls (whose voters really just looked at final scores) and the computers which valued playing harder schedules more than anything.

The way things are now, win your games and everything takes care of itself. However, quality losses is an actual thing when a committee talks about who you lost to. In that token, our losses look really good on the G5 side of things. This is something us recent FCS guys are used to, albeit on a different scale.

However, the rule that trumps all is WIN. YOUR. GAMES. I honestly think Marshall gets the nod for the access bowl if they finish undefeated, however they have ZERO leeway and must win out. If they lose, then I think the debate is between a 10-2 ECU, a 10-2 Georgia Southern, and the winner of the MWC (not sure of final record, and our and ECU's record is predicated on winning out).

(11-10-2014 10:03 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 09:37 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 05:08 PM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  Well, I'm liking GaSo and I'm thinking maybe they should be the Belt's third bowl rep, even if they don't beat Navy ( which they should ).

At the same time, GaSo's best win is over the Sagarin rated 123 USA.

Even Navy is about the bottom third of FBS at Sagarin 84.

Ranking GaSo higher than their Sagarin 74 is not logical.

I have been saying for years that it doesn't matter WHO you beat. People freak out about wanting to beat some powerhouse in non-conference or wanting to get in the "best" conference they can so they can make a splash.

The formula is really easy. Get in any FBS conference and win a lot of games. See Marshall this year, NIU a couple of years ago and Boise for many years for evidence. I believe BIU had the weakest "strength" of schedule in FBS the year they made a BCS bowl.

Boise rode and undefeated WAC schedule and beating a P5 team to the BCS. The WAC....it doesn't get much weaker than that.

I think a big issue is that a lot of people don't understand how football has changed with the introduction of the committee. Used to it was based on polls (whose voters really just looked at final scores) and the computers which valued playing harder schedules more than anything.

The way things are now, win your games and everything takes care of itself. However, quality losses is an actual thing when a committee talks about who you lost to. In that token, our losses look really good on the G5 side of things. This is something us recent FCS guys are used to, albeit on a different scale.

However, the rule that trumps all is WIN. YOUR. GAMES. I honestly think Marshall gets the nod for the access bowl if they finish undefeated, however they have ZERO leeway and must win out. If they lose, then I think the debate is between a 10-2 ECU, a 10-2 Georgia Southern, and the winner of the MWC (not sure of final record, and our and ECU's record is predicated on winning out).

Winning is the name of the game. I agree the easier schedule the better chance you have in winning, and getting noticed. I have been wanting UL to play an easier schedule for years. Look at Ball State, Marshall, Northern Illinois in past years.

The only time your SOS will hurt you is when you are about 3 notches above your competition, and your SOS is keeping you out of a better bowl.

As far as the GS vs. UL,and stAte discussion

People will talk $hit. All that matters is winning conference, and your bowl game. Let everyone else argue how yall don't deserve it or how yall are not good enough, because at the end of the day you got your championship and your bowl win. No one can take that from you.

(11-09-2014 07:13 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  At this point, I'd like to see how the game between the Cajuns and Eagles would go.

Not trying to knock on either team, but Georgia Southern's team didn't strike me as "large" as the Bobcats, but I thought that when we played the Cajuns. I think the Cajuns offense would have their way with Georgia Southern's defense all day long.

Now, when Georgia Southern is on offense? That's the interesting one. Cajuns are BIG, but they didn't strike me as especially fast. That makes me think the Georgia Offense would have a really good day against the Cajun defense.

The kicker is... I think it's a night or day scenario... I think either Georgia Southern has a LOT of production out of their offense, or they have none. Which it is? I got NO clue. But I don't think it will be a "kind of" successful game for them on offense.

GS two inside guards on D are pretty big with Ellison being over 300. GS does well against the run, its the guys that line up and throw the ball all day that gives them trouble. GA tech didn't have their way nor did NC state so I doubt LLU would have their way. GS, and take nothing away from Tex State, did not play well against Tex State. Its difficult to go on the road and win and Tex State has the talent to beat most in our conference. Im just glad we won but comparing one game doesn't work. Its all about matchups. Teams matchup better against some and Tex State was one of those that gave GS some problems although I think some mistakes got GS out of rhythm and caused the game to be closer than it might have been.

Dobson doesn't commit that personal foul and the game isn't even close. I know he made up for it with the pick 6, but that who situation changed the flow of the game and game txst hope.
Also, our coaches seemed to play 'not to lose' and tried to just run time off the clock and not score points. I was having flash backs of the NCST game. SMH.

But he did commit the foul, and that is as much a part of the game as running, throwing, and blocking. Keep your composure do not be foolish enough to kill your team. Just ask No. 74 for LSU in an un-sportsman penalty that allowed BAMA to keep it's time outs and enough time to drive down the field for a tying field goal. The BAMA player got him to do the foul and laughed all the way to Tuscaloosa. Without that foul LSU may get a touchdown, or use up all but thirty seconds of regulation with a field goal.

(11-10-2014 06:53 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Getting reamed by La Tech just screams quality.

Rivalry game, and a big one for them especially. On top of that, overall they're not too shabby this year.

(11-10-2014 11:12 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Dobson doesn't commit that personal foul and the game isn't even close. I know he made up for it with the pick 6, but that who situation changed the flow of the game and game txst hope.
Also, our coaches seemed to play 'not to lose' and tried to just run time off the clock and not score points. I was having flash backs of the NCST game. SMH.

Our QB didn't throw that pick 6, and we win the game.
If our coach kicked the FG, instead of going for it, we win the game.
If our WR's didn't have cinder blocks for hands that game, we sustained drives, we'd have blown you out.

Those situations happen all day long. Doesn't matter how it happened, it happened. You guys won, we lost.

(11-10-2014 09:12 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 08:42 AM)AppinATL Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 07:53 PM)CajunFan89 Wrote:  Congrats to Georgia Southern on receiving votes. quite an accomplishment for a first year FBS team. We will bury the hatchet as to who is better next year when we rotate into each others schedule. Cheers to a good season and see you next football season to settle the smack talked by both sides

I really hate to get in the middle of this but, didn't I read somewhere that we play the same schedule next year with the locations reversed? So the smack will go on for another year before it can be settled.

This is why we either need a 12th team (which apparently isn't happening any time soon) or someone needs to go. This unbalanced scheduling SUCKS.

Is this confirmed? If so that is horrible decision making.

Honestly, with a conference desperately needing all the cred it can get and ULL fans come and try in piss in the cheerios. I would be applauding any Belt team for getting this conference some national recognition. To bad to many folks egos being bruised by the obvious miscalculation of how Southern would do this year is making them act like little *******. Half the threads started on Southern are not even by Southern fans.

Our combined losses are by less than and a score ULL's are blow outs. Tech is ranked in the top 25 and we lose on a call that could have gone either way and yet we have not played gotten crushed by Boise, La Tech, Ole Miss and squeak by the worst team in the FBS? WTF???? Can somebody tell me where La Tech and Boise are ranked and how Ole Miss is doing these last couple of real games? Either way to even suggest ULL has anything to brag about over Southern this year is plain out asinine. We and we have one bad game offensively this year it was bound to happen, if our QB can manage to hit wide open receivers anytime soon I doubt we have another.

Anyway hope all the Belt teams do well OOC the rest of the way and lets go Warhawks.

You had close games with NMSU and Texas St. We destroyed both teams, so what. Most SBC fans figured yall would win between 5&7 games. Yall have won more so congrats, yet The expectations of SBC fans were that the conference as a whole would take a step forward instead of three steps back as a whole.

GaSo has yet to play stAte or Louisiana, so for 2 years anything yall accomplish will be skewed because the rest of the league knows what we both bring as far as athletes, talent and DEPTH.

What GaSo has accomplished so car is to be commended, but please stop acting like yall are kings of the Sun Belt when you get a two year pass on the 2 best programs over the last 4 years.

Exactly. Crap happens
But that one play allowed you back in the game. It wouldn't have mattered what your team did after we get the ball back. The game was over. But it did happen and you guys made enough mistakes to let us win. We were horrible in the second half and txst played great. Kinda like what happened to us in the GT game.

The difference in the game was the 2 Texas St. turnovers. Basically those explain why Ga. Southern won.

(11-10-2014 11:58 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 09:12 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 08:42 AM)AppinATL Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 07:53 PM)CajunFan89 Wrote:  Congrats to Georgia Southern on receiving votes. quite an accomplishment for a first year FBS team. We will bury the hatchet as to who is better next year when we rotate into each others schedule. Cheers to a good season and see you next football season to settle the smack talked by both sides

I really hate to get in the middle of this but, didn't I read somewhere that we play the same schedule next year with the locations reversed? So the smack will go on for another year before it can be settled.

This is why we either need a 12th team (which apparently isn't happening any time soon) or someone needs to go. This unbalanced scheduling SUCKS.

Is this confirmed? If so that is horrible decision making.

Honestly, with a conference desperately needing all the cred it can get and ULL fans come and try in piss in the cheerios. I would be applauding any Belt team for getting this conference some national recognition. To bad to many folks egos being bruised by the obvious miscalculation of how Southern would do this year is making them act like little *******. Half the threads started on Southern are not even by Southern fans.

Our combined losses are by less than and a score ULL's are blow outs. Tech is ranked in the top 25 and we lose on a call that could have gone either way and yet we have not played gotten crushed by Boise, La Tech, Ole Miss and squeak by the worst team in the FBS? WTF???? Can somebody tell me where La Tech and Boise are ranked and how Ole Miss is doing these last couple of real games? Either way to even suggest ULL has anything to brag about over Southern this year is plain out asinine. We and we have one bad game offensively this year it was bound to happen, if our QB can manage to hit wide open receivers anytime soon I doubt we have another.

Anyway hope all the Belt teams do well OOC the rest of the way and lets go Warhawks.

You had close games with NMSU and Texas St. We destroyed both teams, so what. Most SBC fans figured yall would win between 5&7 games. Yall have won more so congrats, yet The expectations of SBC fans were that the conference as a whole would take a step forward instead of three steps back as a whole.

GaSo has yet to play stAte or Louisiana, so for 2 years anything yall accomplish will be skewed because the rest of the league knows what we both bring as far as athletes, talent and DEPTH.

What GaSo has accomplished so car is to be commended, but please stop acting like yall are kings of the Sun Belt when you get a two year pass on the 2 best programs over the last 4 years.

And you had a close game with ga state and we blew them out....what is your point?

(11-10-2014 12:13 PM)eaglemachine Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 11:58 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 09:12 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 08:42 AM)AppinATL Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 07:53 PM)CajunFan89 Wrote:  Congrats to Georgia Southern on receiving votes. quite an accomplishment for a first year FBS team. We will bury the hatchet as to who is better next year when we rotate into each others schedule. Cheers to a good season and see you next football season to settle the smack talked by both sides

I really hate to get in the middle of this but, didn't I read somewhere that we play the same schedule next year with the locations reversed? So the smack will go on for another year before it can be settled.

This is why we either need a 12th team (which apparently isn't happening any time soon) or someone needs to go. This unbalanced scheduling SUCKS.

Is this confirmed? If so that is horrible decision making.

Honestly, with a conference desperately needing all the cred it can get and ULL fans come and try in piss in the cheerios. I would be applauding any Belt team for getting this conference some national recognition. To bad to many folks egos being bruised by the obvious miscalculation of how Southern would do this year is making them act like little *******. Half the threads started on Southern are not even by Southern fans.

Our combined losses are by less than and a score ULL's are blow outs. Tech is ranked in the top 25 and we lose on a call that could have gone either way and yet we have not played gotten crushed by Boise, La Tech, Ole Miss and squeak by the worst team in the FBS? WTF???? Can somebody tell me where La Tech and Boise are ranked and how Ole Miss is doing these last couple of real games? Either way to even suggest ULL has anything to brag about over Southern this year is plain out asinine. We and we have one bad game offensively this year it was bound to happen, if our QB can manage to hit wide open receivers anytime soon I doubt we have another.

Anyway hope all the Belt teams do well OOC the rest of the way and lets go Warhawks.

You had close games with NMSU and Texas St. We destroyed both teams, so what. Most SBC fans figured yall would win between 5&7 games. Yall have won more so congrats, yet The expectations of SBC fans were that the conference as a whole would take a step forward instead of three steps back as a whole.

GaSo has yet to play stAte or Louisiana, so for 2 years anything yall accomplish will be skewed because the rest of the league knows what we both bring as far as athletes, talent and DEPTH.

What GaSo has accomplished so car is to be commended, but please stop acting like yall are kings of the Sun Belt when you get a two year pass on the 2 best programs over the last 4 years.

And you had a close game with ga state and we blew them out....what is your point?

The point is you cannot compare scores. But I guess you are too dense to understand that.

(11-09-2014 10:00 PM)bamaEagle Wrote:  So, a Georgia Southern fan posts that we receive votes in the AP poll and if things go our way we might could crack the top 25. Why on Earth are any fans of any other teams on here bashing that? It is good for our conference. I really don't understand the hate on this one. I expect you guys to want us to lose conference games, I would be concerned if you didn't, just not sure why anyone wouldn't want a SBC team in the top 25. I would absolutely love if Louisiana Lafayette or stAte were ranked or were receiving votes in the poll.

ArkSt has one quality win ( Utah State )
ULL has one quality win ( ArkSt )
GaSo has zero quality wins.

GaSo has played the weakest strength of schedule in the Sun Belt( 161 ).

GaSo's highest quality win, is 123rd USA.
GaSo's second highest quality win, TxSt ( 126th ), was by only three.

GaSo can help the conference and their own case by beating Navy ( Sagarin 83rd ).
By Belt standards, beating Navy would be a quality win.
But by national ranking standards, it would not, because Navy is ranked lower than GaSo and has a losing record.

In a national conversation it might be better for GaSo not to be in the spotlight because then the punditry will ask - 'Who have they beaten?' and the answers are not particularly good for either GaSo or the Belt.

Now, GaSo has had a remarkable debut.
And they've displayed quality, particularly on offense.
And I've flipped - I think it's pretty clear that GaSo IS in the top three of the conference and I'd rather see them in a Bowl Slot than either USA or TxSt, both of whom GaSo has beaten.
And if both win out, a ULL-GaSo NO Bowl would solve the championship issue ( for this year anyway ) and probably draw fans and buzz.

But whoever voted for GaSo is probably not doing it based on the merits.
That's not hate, just looking at what pundits will.

(11-10-2014 11:12 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Also, our coaches seemed to play 'not to lose' and tried to just run time off the clock and not score points.

THIS!$#@!!!

What folks have glossed over is we never trailed in this game and were up 28-10 until 6:25 was left in the 4th quarter. Unlike d-bags that look for every attempt to downplay our season, our coaches don't care about style points, they just want the W. They shut down the offense thinking 18 points should be enough if we play good D and don't make mistakes on offense, and they were right.

I'd much rather lead all game and hang on to beat Texas St by three in San Marcos, than struggle in a back and forth game where we hang on to beat Georgia State by three at home.

(11-10-2014 12:32 PM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  ArkSt has one quality win ( Utah State )
ULL has one quality win ( ArkSt )
GaSo has zero quality wins.

GaSo has played the weakest strength of schedule in the Sun Belt( 161 ).

GaSo's highest quality win, is 123rd USA.
GaSo's second highest quality win, TxSt ( 126th ), was by only three.

GaSo can help the conference and their own case by beating Navy ( Sagarin 83rd ).
By Belt standards, beating Navy would be a quality win.
But by national ranking standards, it would not, because Navy is ranked lower than GaSo and has a losing record.

In a national conversation it might be better for GaSo not to be in the spotlight because then the punditry will ask - 'Who have they beaten?' and the answers are not particularly good for either GaSo or the Belt.

Now, GaSo has had a remarkable debut.
And they've displayed quality, particularly on offense.
And I've flipped - I think it's pretty clear that GaSo IS in the top three of the conference and I'd rather see them in a Bowl Slot than either USA or TxSt, both of whom GaSo has beaten.
And if both win out, a ULL-GaSo NO Bowl would solve the championship issue ( for this year anyway ) and probably draw fans and buzz.

But whoever voted for GaSo is probably not doing it based on the merits.
That's not hate, just looking at what pundits will.

Good analysis.

(11-10-2014 12:32 PM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 10:00 PM)bamaEagle Wrote:  So, a Georgia Southern fan posts that we receive votes in the AP poll and if things go our way we might could crack the top 25. Why on Earth are any fans of any other teams on here bashing that? It is good for our conference. I really don't understand the hate on this one. I expect you guys to want us to lose conference games, I would be concerned if you didn't, just not sure why anyone wouldn't want a SBC team in the top 25. I would absolutely love if Louisiana Lafayette or stAte were ranked or were receiving votes in the poll.

ArkSt has one quality win ( Utah State )
ULL has one quality win ( ArkSt )
GaSo has zero quality wins.

GaSo has played the weakest strength of schedule in the Sun Belt( 161 ).

GaSo's highest quality win, is 123rd USA.
GaSo's second highest quality win, TxSt ( 126th ), was by only three.

GaSo can help the conference and their own case by beating Navy ( Sagarin 83rd ).
By Belt standards, beating Navy would be a quality win.
But by national ranking standards, it would not, because Navy is ranked lower than GaSo and has a losing record.

In a national conversation it might be better for GaSo not to be in the spotlight because then the punditry will ask - 'Who have they beaten?' and the answers are not particularly good for either GaSo or the Belt.

Now, GaSo has had a remarkable debut.
And they've displayed quality, particularly on offense.
And I've flipped - I think it's pretty clear that GaSo IS in the top three of the conference and I'd rather see them in a Bowl Slot than either USA or TxSt, both of whom GaSo has beaten.
And if both win out, a ULL-GaSo NO Bowl would solve the championship issue ( for this year anyway ) and probably draw fans and buzz.

But whoever voted for GaSo is probably not doing it based on the merits.
That's not hate, just looking at what pundits will.

Not once have I heard "But who have they played" when I hear people talking about us. You know what I hear? "They took NC State and GT down to the wire, they're a pretty good team."

No joke. People who have never paid attention to us but know I've supported them for years come to me on Mondays talking about how well we're doing and that they saw we won again. I'm always honest in my assessment about the Sun Belt and everything, but the better impression is that we're winning. Hell, everyone in my office watched us play GT and are shocked we didn't win.

Totally different dynamic in this part of the country.