(10-31-2014 10:45 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Lulz at this thread. We're 23rd in the country and 1st in the AAC.

Don't get me wrong I think its ECU's title to lose. Just providing facts to dispute that ECU's D is something to brag about.

Now your offense....... that a different story.

Your winning because of your offense and the fact that your defense is middle of the road so to speak. They are not great but they are not causing you the game either.

Just enough/right (on D).

(10-31-2014 09:46 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

Ouch.

Yeah, ouch for Kruciff since what he wrote in the last sentence line was made up.

(10-31-2014 10:45 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Lulz at this thread. We're 23rd in the country and 1st in the AAC.

It might be noted that the remainder of your schedule has the #21 (@Temple), #22 (UCF), and #31 (Tulane) defenses versus the Pass, and also the #17 (UCF) versus the run.

Some of the best defenses in the red zone also remain #2 (@Temple), #5 (Tulane), #9 (UCF), and #13 (Cincinnati).

It says to me that though I think ECU wins the AAC its not going to be as easy as some might think.

(10-31-2014 11:04 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 10:45 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Lulz at this thread. We're 23rd in the country and 1st in the AAC.

It might be noted that the remainder of your schedule has the #21 (@Temple), #22 (UCF), and #31 (Tulane) defenses versus the Pass, and also the #17 (UCF) versus the run.

Some of the best defenses in the red zone also remain #2 (@Temple), #5 (Tulane), #9 (UCF), and #13 (Cincinnati).

It says to me that though I think ECU wins the AAC its not going to be as easy as some might think.

Have you seen one soul here stating a run would be easy...or are you just trying to make it sound like ECU fans have been doing that?

(10-31-2014 11:04 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 10:45 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Lulz at this thread. We're 23rd in the country and 1st in the AAC.

It might be noted that the remainder of your schedule has the #21 (@Temple), #22 (UCF), and #31 (Tulane) defenses versus the Pass, and also the #17 (UCF) versus the run.

Some of the best defenses in the red zone also remain #2 (@Temple), #5 (Tulane), #9 (UCF), and #13 (Cincinnati).

It says to me that though I think ECU wins the AAC its not going to be as easy as some might think.

It's going to be tough, real tough. Every single one of those teams is going to make us earn it. And if we can pull it off I'll be glad we did it the right way. Not some gifts like Marsha.

If the refs allow the dbs to mug our receivers like the last two games, we are in trouble.

(10-31-2014 10:33 AM)MedKnight Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 09:43 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 01:22 AM)MedKnight Wrote:  By that logic, you are only going to "get a certain level of talent on offense unless you are Baylor or someone". There is a reason the saying is "defense wins championships". You also control points of attack on defense as well, and there are many exotic looks in football that can confuse the offense and knock them off their rhythm.

You beat Baylor in a shoot out last I checked, and that defense didn't show up that day. That win was made possible with that anemic offense and most of the time in close games you were saved in mostly because you had a NFL #3 pick that was clearly underrated for what he became out of high school that fell to you that blew up.

Talent like Bortles or Chris Johnson don't happen for schools like ours that often that you need special talent like that to drive Oleary, Holtz type offenses and make them resemble "good" offenses. Clearly one player with the ball in his hands 35 plays a game like running back or QB making all the passes/running the can highly, highly impact games primarily from those 2 positions. An OC is on the offensive and picking where the ball goes and has much more freedom to be innovative as well, run, pass, deep trick play etc etc.

A single player on defense doesn't have nearly the impact because offenses direct the action and can go away from them, get the ball out quickly etc, meaning you need an entire units of high end talent on that side of the ball and a lot more depth as it's mostly reaction to what the O is doing.

Can you win games with a defensive driven team, sure if you got really good talent, which there will always be a ceiling on at our schools. I think it's the more difficult route to recruit an entire side of the ball with top 10 level talent and a team will never truely have the talent to have an elite D like you can manipulate on offense with a handful of talented players and a great offensive system. I'll take the formula we got all day over O'Leary. We are never out of a game with our offense and it makes walk ons look great.

We held an offense averaging 53 points per game to 28 heading into the fourth quarter. They went up to 35 with 12 minutes left and we held them there until they scored a TD in garbage time with 1 minute left to get to 42.

But I understand your point. Each school has their own system with recruits scouted to fit that system. While you are never out of a game because of your offense, we are never out of a game because our defense has the ability to prevent TDs and causes turnovers.

This is what makes the UCF/ECU finale so interesting to watch. Clash of football philosophies.

Now you sound like the original ECU poster with our 4th quarter D where the UCF dude took issue with. I'll take our leaning on the Air Raid all day long over defense because it was proven at Texas Tech when they got it up and running to do much more with less and just put the next guy in when you graduate them and roll (Kingsbury, Cumbie, Symones, Hoges, Harrell etc) and I think we got the formula to maintain success for as long as Ruff stays here now that he's got his players an system up and running.

I doubt you ever see us drop down to 4 wins again while he's here like O'Leary has had issue with in the past when he graduated chunks of his defense or a great player like Kevin Smith who he relied on to carry the offense slip down to 4-8 seasons until he could rebuild. I think we'll still be able to generate points and do some things. Even in Ruff's first year when we were giving up 40ppg and had a losing record we still beat two teams that finished in the top 25 including NC State with Russell Wilson.

(10-31-2014 10:54 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 09:46 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

Ouch.

Yeah, ouch for Kruciff since what he wrote in the last sentence line was made up.

Ha, you're right. I was looking at the ESPN scores, and they always list the scores in order of highest to lowest, not team 1 @ team 2 which would make sense.

I added up our (UCF) scores against Mizzou and Penn State, and then BCU's score to get 41

Nobody's perfect

Though the Houston, Tulane, Temple metric is still correct.

(10-31-2014 08:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 08:04 AM)UCFKnightfan08 Wrote:  ECU D is fine, especially if you score 40+ a game like they're capable of doing on just about anyone. Just hope we both win out until Dec 4th

Pretty much. ECU's defense is holding people in the low to mid 20's consistently, and that's good enough to give ECU a shot to win every game. ECU also pretty consistently stops the run. I think you guys will probably win out pretty easy, I just hope we can hold up our end of the bargain.

heres the actuall version "ECU's defense is holding people who score in the 7-17 range and letting them score in the low to mid 20's consistently" ECU has played only one legit offense in UNC and they did score 41

will be interesting to see what happens as the rest of ECU's game continues to play out, smu,uconn and usf are the leagues worst offenses all looked very potent versus ECU, the rest of the teams you play have dramatically better offenses (tulane has tanner lee back) ecu made some horrible offenses look decent, what happens when they let some decent offenses on the field (tulane, tulsa, temple ucf) and a good offense (cincy)

you could also argue outside of ucf you dont need to stop anyone their defenses arent good and you can outscore them

(10-31-2014 11:17 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Have you seen one soul here stating a run would be easy...or are you just trying to make it sound like ECU fans have been doing that?

Its called a figure of speech.... Geeze you don't need to hang on every word.

Figure of Speech: a word or phrase used in a nonliteral sense to add rhetorical force to a spoken or written passage.

(10-31-2014 11:20 AM)isidnirb Wrote:  It's going to be tough, real tough. Every single one of those teams is going to make us earn it. And if we can pull it off I'll be glad we did it the right way. Not some gifts like Marsha.

It is hard to compare ECU's defense to that of UCF, Temple, Tulane, Memphis, and even Houston to a degree this season. There is no doubt ECU's plays a very up tempo offense trying to get as many possessions as possible. A lot of the other teams in CUSA have struggled a bit on offense this season or choose to play more of a ball control offense and possess the ball. Thus those teams do not play games with as many possessions for both teams….Hard to have a really high statistically ranked defense when you play the hurry spread offense just due to the additional possessions for each team.

ECU's defense is pretty stout in the from seven and we are good at stopping the run. Our secondary played pretty well early in the season which was a bit of a surprise due to the the number of new starters in that unit. Well Coaches doing what they do have found the weakness in our defense and that is our secondary and they have been exploiting that some over the last several weeks.

By no means does ECU have a dominant defense, their goal is to try and hold teams to 21 points or less in a game because they feel our offense is typically going to score at least 28 points against most teams.

No doubt it will be a tall task to win the conference…I think we are just good enough on defense to get it done if we play well and sure up the back end a little.

(10-31-2014 11:54 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  It is hard to compare ECU's defense to that of UCF, Temple, Tulane, Memphis, and even Houston to a degree this season. There is no doubt ECU's plays a very up tempo offense trying to get as many possessions as possible. A lot of the other teams in CUSA have struggled a bit on offense this season or choose to play more of a ball control offense and possess the ball. Thus those teams do not play games with as many possessions for both teams….Hard to have a really high statistically ranked defense when you play the hurry spread offense just due to the additional possessions for each team.

ECU's defense is pretty stout in the from seven and we are good at stopping the run. Our secondary played pretty well early in the season which was a bit of a surprise due to the the number of new starters in that unit. Well Coaches doing what they do have found the weakness in our defense and that is our secondary and they have been exploiting that some over the last several weeks.

By no means does ECU have a dominant defense, their goal is to try and hold teams to 21 points or less in a game because they feel our offense is typically going to score at least 28 points against most teams.

No doubt it will be a tall task to win the conference…I think we are just good enough on defense to get it done if we play well and sure up the back end a little.

I agree that our secondary has been soft the last few weeks but I also think another issue I've seen with our Defense is our lack of a pass rush. The last several games our pass rush hasn't been that great and it is allowing the QB time to find open receivers. At first I just dismissed this as the QB getting rid of the ball quickly, but after re-watching some games I've noticed that our pass rush, even when blitzing has not broken through to harass the QB. That lack of a pass rush is allowing opposing QB's to get in a rhythm and throw very well.

(10-31-2014 12:00 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 11:54 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  It is hard to compare ECU's defense to that of UCF, Temple, Tulane, Memphis, and even Houston to a degree this season. There is no doubt ECU's plays a very up tempo offense trying to get as many possessions as possible. A lot of the other teams in CUSA have struggled a bit on offense this season or choose to play more of a ball control offense and possess the ball. Thus those teams do not play games with as many possessions for both teams….Hard to have a really high statistically ranked defense when you play the hurry spread offense just due to the additional possessions for each team.

ECU's defense is pretty stout in the from seven and we are good at stopping the run. Our secondary played pretty well early in the season which was a bit of a surprise due to the the number of new starters in that unit. Well Coaches doing what they do have found the weakness in our defense and that is our secondary and they have been exploiting that some over the last several weeks.

By no means does ECU have a dominant defense, their goal is to try and hold teams to 21 points or less in a game because they feel our offense is typically going to score at least 28 points against most teams.

No doubt it will be a tall task to win the conference…I think we are just good enough on defense to get it done if we play well and sure up the back end a little.

I agree that our secondary has been soft the last few weeks but I also think another issue I've seen with our Defense is our lack of a pass rush. The last several games our pass rush hasn't been that great and it is allowing the QB time to find open receivers. At first I just dismissed this as the QB getting rid of the ball quickly, but after re-watching some games I've noticed that our pass rush, even when blitzing has not broken through to harass the QB. That lack of a pass rush is allowing opposing QB's to get in a rhythm and throw very well.

The QB is reading our blitzes and throwing up go route bombs before the rush closes in. We have 3 choices: 1) DBs have to keep wr in front of them 2) do better at disguising blitzes. 3) Only send 4 and keep safeties back (aka Rick Smith bread and butter bend but don't break D)

Past stats aren't going to win games. That goes for ecu and ucf fans alike.

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(10-30-2014 07:19 PM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

For a grand total of 1 win

Made my point better.

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(10-31-2014 11:38 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 11:17 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Have you seen one soul here stating a run would be easy...or are you just trying to make it sound like ECU fans have been doing that?

Its called a figure of speech.... Geeze you don't need to hang on every word.

Figure of Speech: a word or phrase used in a nonliteral sense to add rhetorical force to a spoken or written passage.

It might have made sense to use a figure of speech that was applicable to behavior that was going on. If that behavior isn't going on, the "figure of speech" becomes more of an insinuation. I'm not hanging on every word. The corporate executive world can have you paying attention to things others may not.

(10-31-2014 11:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 08:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 08:04 AM)UCFKnightfan08 Wrote:  ECU D is fine, especially if you score 40+ a game like they're capable of doing on just about anyone. Just hope we both win out until Dec 4th

Pretty much. ECU's defense is holding people in the low to mid 20's consistently, and that's good enough to give ECU a shot to win every game. ECU also pretty consistently stops the run. I think you guys will probably win out pretty easy, I just hope we can hold up our end of the bargain.

heres the actuall version "ECU's defense is holding people who score in the 7-17 range and letting them score in the low to mid 20's consistently" ECU has played only one legit offense in UNC and they did score 41

will be interesting to see what happens as the rest of ECU's game continues to play out, smu,uconn and usf are the leagues worst offenses all looked very potent versus ECU, the rest of the teams you play have dramatically better offenses (tulane has tanner lee back) ecu made some horrible offenses look decent, what happens when they let some decent offenses on the field (tulane, tulsa, temple ucf) and a good offense (cincy)

you could also argue outside of ucf you dont need to stop anyone their defenses arent good and you can outscore them

You take a vague statement from an ECU fan and insist the devil is in the detail, providing the detail you like. Then you proceed to make a very vague statement about how much UNC scored against the ECU defense but failed to disect the details like you insisted needed to be done.

Um, none of SMU, USF or UConn's offenses looked "potent" against ECU. They looked average. Yes, that's better than they have looked...but far from potent.

(10-31-2014 11:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 08:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 08:04 AM)UCFKnightfan08 Wrote:  ECU D is fine, especially if you score 40+ a game like they're capable of doing on just about anyone. Just hope we both win out until Dec 4th

Pretty much. ECU's defense is holding people in the low to mid 20's consistently, and that's good enough to give ECU a shot to win every game. ECU also pretty consistently stops the run. I think you guys will probably win out pretty easy, I just hope we can hold up our end of the bargain.

heres the actuall version "ECU's defense is holding people who score in the 7-17 range and letting them score in the low to mid 20's consistently" ECU has played only one legit offense in UNC and they did score 41

will be interesting to see what happens as the rest of ECU's game continues to play out, smu,uconn and usf are the leagues worst offenses all looked very potent versus ECU, the rest of the teams you play have dramatically better offenses (tulane has tanner lee back) ecu made some horrible offenses look decent, what happens when they let some decent offenses on the field (tulane, tulsa, temple ucf) and a good offense (cincy)

you could also argue outside of ucf you dont need to stop anyone their defenses arent good and you can outscore them

First you need to look at each separate and take a deep look into each game beyond the score.

SMU, 24-45 score, they had 339 passing, but only 51 rushing, 5-6 on 4th down, 4-17 on 3rd, ECU had 410 passing and 171 rushing. SMU had the 4th QB on the year and we had really only one game video on him, which you know SMU's coaches looked at the same video and made adjustments to play calling to. They also went for it on 4th down more than anyone else thus far, that allowed for longer drive and two more scores. After falling behind 21-0 SMU did close the gab to 11 (24-35), but was never any closer. SMU had a great 3rd quarter and one good scoring drive in the second, nothing first or forth quarters.

USF, first game back for their top WR and penalties, ECU 12-148, USF 8-59, in the first half it was worse ECU 7-70~ and 2-15~. USF did not score in the second half. That doesn't look like a great offense scoreless in the second half.

UConn, outside Hardy and Carden (sans one pass) a ugly sloppy game. Flags, ECU 11-105, UConn 12-118. 14 of UConn's 21 points came as a direct result of DB's losing their footing and falling down. UConn committed and bunch of stupid personal fouls, but could have been called for more defensive holding than they were. Our coaches had to get on the refs for 3 quarters to get them to start calling it.

We said from the beginning that the secondary was the weak link in our D, no one I've seen had hind that fact or said other wise, Our DC will tell you flat out it is. But, we do make teams pretty one dimensional. To date only UNC and USC-e have broken the 100 yard mark rushing against us. USF is the next closest with 93 yards rushing.

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

When you score quickly and put up 70 points the other team is going to get a lot of possessions also and usually score a few points too. You only scored 5 more points in those 3 games as we did in that one.

(10-31-2014 08:04 AM)UCFKnightfan08 Wrote:  ECU D is fine, especially if you score 40+ a game like they're capable of doing on just about anyone. Just hope we both win out until Dec 4th

Kinda how I see it also. The Defense is good enough to allow the offense to win. To the OP though...we have been very good in the 4th quarter defensively. I think a lot of that is due to a very good strength and conditioning program.