it may be a selective stat...but it's a very important stat...

we've shown we can clamp down and force 3 and outs during crunch time...when the game is tight...... also shows we're still fresh in the 4th quarter....a credit to our strength and conditioning program....

that's extremely important in the chase for a conference championship....

Leaky

(10-30-2014 11:00 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  it may be a selective stat...but it's a very important stat...

we've shown we can clamp down and force 3 and outs during crunch time...when the game is tight...... also shows we're still fresh in the 4th quarter....a credit to our strength and conditioning program....

that's extremely important in the chase for a conference championship....

Total defense and scoring defense are also important stats when in the chase for a conference championship. Probably even more important...

If given the choice I'd rather have the elite offense. You are only going to get a certain level of talent on Defense unless you are Alabama or someone I think there is a ceiling and there isn't as innovative ways on defense to trick the opposition and be elite if you don't actually have the talent as there is offensively where you control the points of attack specifically. I'd rather put my eggs in that basket and give me the great offensive system and decent defense, so you don't need a #3 draft pick to make the 1985 O'Leary offense look ok.

I'm to the point with our offensive system I really believe just about anyone we have could step in and have success just like Texas Tech did yearly replacing who ever. They had about the same actual NFL offensive talent as ECU and UCF the decade Leach was there and yet averaged 40ppg in a power conference with similar actual high end talent while ECU and UCF were scraping out 25-30ppg or whatever in CUSA with Oleary and Holtz outdated offenses.

Amazing proven system of maximizing talent McNeil has brought to ECU. Do I actually believe we have top 10 Offensive talent, nope but I do think we have a top 10 offense. Good enough is good enough on defense when you have an offensive system like we do.

(10-30-2014 11:18 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 11:00 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  it may be a selective stat...but it's a very important stat...

we've shown we can clamp down and force 3 and outs during crunch time...when the game is tight...... also shows we're still fresh in the 4th quarter....a credit to our strength and conditioning program....

that's extremely important in the chase for a conference championship....

Total defense and scoring defense are also important stats when in the chase for a conference championship. Probably even more important...

So's this...

total offense

ECU 4th nationally...... 566 yards per game
UCF 116th nationally....316 yards per game

(10-31-2014 12:00 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  If given the choice I'd rather have the elite offense. You are only going to get a certain level of talent on Defense unless you are Alabama or someone I think there is a ceiling and there isn't as innovative ways on defense to trick the opposition and be elite if you don't actually have the talent as there is offensively where you control the points of attack specifically. I'd rather put my eggs in that basket and give me the great offensive system and decent defense, so you don't need a #3 draft pick to make the 1985 O'Leary offense look ok.

I'm to the point with our offensive system I really believe just about anyone we have could step in and have success just like Texas Tech did yearly replacing who ever. They had about the same actual NFL offensive talent as ECU and UCF the decade Leach was there and yet averaged 40ppg in a power conference with similar actual high end talent while ECU and UCF were scraping out 25-30ppg or whatever in CUSA with Oleary and Holtz outdated offenses.

Amazing proven system of maximizing talent McNeil has brought to ECU. Do I actually believe we have top 10 Offensive talent, nope but I do think we have a top 10 offense. Good enough is good enough on defense when you have an offensive system like we do.

By that logic, you are only going to "get a certain level of talent on offense unless you are Baylor or someone". There is a reason the saying is "defense wins championships". You also control points of attack on defense as well, and there are many exotic looks in football that can confuse the offense and knock them off their rhythm.

O'Leary's offense may have its weakspots, but so does every game plan. O'Leary is all about ball control with long sustained drives, so the 25-30ppg in CUSA is not as relevant as you make it seem. We take our time to run down clock and score on our possessions. Our defense is our trump card and has been for years. It's the reason we won 2 CUSA championships before Bortles even played. It's also the reason why we've been able to hold these "air raid" -esque offenses like Keenum-era Houston and high-scoring Baylor.

With that being said, I do think that ECU is the overall better team this year.

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

High scoring offenses leads to higher possession games, with more scoring chances for the other teams. UConn got two TD because a defender fell down.

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

UNC has a great offense, and they scored 14 points on trick plays and 14 points in garbage time when we already had 63 and 70 points respectively. Our defense is far from great, but it's tolerable.

ECU D is fine, especially if you score 40+ a game like they're capable of doing on just about anyone. Just hope we both win out until Dec 4th

(10-31-2014 08:04 AM)UCFKnightfan08 Wrote:  ECU D is fine, especially if you score 40+ a game like they're capable of doing on just about anyone. Just hope we both win out until Dec 4th

Pretty much. ECU's defense is holding people in the low to mid 20's consistently, and that's good enough to give ECU a shot to win every game. ECU also pretty consistently stops the run. I think you guys will probably win out pretty easy, I just hope we can hold up our end of the bargain.

(10-31-2014 01:22 AM)MedKnight Wrote:  By that logic, you are only going to "get a certain level of talent on offense unless you are Baylor or someone". There is a reason the saying is "defense wins championships". You also control points of attack on defense as well, and there are many exotic looks in football that can confuse the offense and knock them off their rhythm.

You beat Baylor in a shoot out last I checked, and that defense didn't show up that day. That win was made possible with that anemic offense and most of the time in close games you were saved in mostly because you had a NFL #3 pick that was clearly underrated for what he became out of high school that fell to you that blew up.

Talent like Bortles or Chris Johnson don't happen for schools like ours that often that you need special talent like that to drive Oleary, Holtz type offenses and make them resemble "good" offenses. Clearly one player with the ball in his hands 35 plays a game like running back or QB making all the passes/running the can highly, highly impact games primarily from those 2 positions. An OC is on the offensive and picking where the ball goes and has much more freedom to be innovative as well, run, pass, deep trick play etc etc.

A single player on defense doesn't have nearly the impact because offenses direct the action and can go away from them, get the ball out quickly etc, meaning you need an entire units of high end talent on that side of the ball and a lot more depth as it's mostly reaction to what the O is doing.

Can you win games with a defensive driven team, sure if you got really good talent, which there will always be a ceiling on at our schools. I think it's the more difficult route to recruit an entire side of the ball with top 10 level talent and a team will never truely have the talent to have an elite D like you can manipulate on offense with a handful of talented players and a great offensive system. I'll take the formula we got all day over O'Leary. We are never out of a game with our offense and it makes walk ons look great.

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

Ouch.

(10-31-2014 09:46 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

Ouch.

UTSA

(10-31-2014 09:50 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 09:46 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

Ouch.

UTSA

(10-31-2014 09:46 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

Ouch.

Would hurt if it was even remotely true.

(10-31-2014 10:03 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 09:46 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

Ouch.

Would hurt if it was even remotely true.

He's right UCF gave up a total of 71 Pts in those games versus the 41 ECU gave up to NC.

(10-31-2014 10:10 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 10:03 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 09:46 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 07:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Selective statistics much?

Here's another:

Your D gave SMU and UConn their highest points scored against a team this season.

In one game, UNC scored as many points on your D as UCF allowed against Penn State, Mizzou, and our FCS game combined.

Ouch.

Would hurt if it was even remotely true.

He's right UCF gave up a total of 71 Pts in those games versus the 41 ECU gave up to NC.

...and still won by 4+ TD's with our back ups in over a P5 program that's on pace to get to a bowl game. That says everything that needs to be said.

(10-31-2014 09:43 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 01:22 AM)MedKnight Wrote:  By that logic, you are only going to "get a certain level of talent on offense unless you are Baylor or someone". There is a reason the saying is "defense wins championships". You also control points of attack on defense as well, and there are many exotic looks in football that can confuse the offense and knock them off their rhythm.

You beat Baylor in a shoot out last I checked, and that defense didn't show up that day. That win was made possible with that anemic offense and most of the time in close games you were saved in mostly because you had a NFL #3 pick that was clearly underrated for what he became out of high school that fell to you that blew up.

Talent like Bortles or Chris Johnson don't happen for schools like ours that often that you need special talent like that to drive Oleary, Holtz type offenses and make them resemble "good" offenses. Clearly one player with the ball in his hands 35 plays a game like running back or QB making all the passes/running the can highly, highly impact games primarily from those 2 positions. An OC is on the offensive and picking where the ball goes and has much more freedom to be innovative as well, run, pass, deep trick play etc etc.

A single player on defense doesn't have nearly the impact because offenses direct the action and can go away from them, get the ball out quickly etc, meaning you need an entire units of high end talent on that side of the ball and a lot more depth as it's mostly reaction to what the O is doing.

Can you win games with a defensive driven team, sure if you got really good talent, which there will always be a ceiling on at our schools. I think it's the more difficult route to recruit an entire side of the ball with top 10 level talent and a team will never truely have the talent to have an elite D like you can manipulate on offense with a handful of talented players and a great offensive system. I'll take the formula we got all day over O'Leary. We are never out of a game with our offense and it makes walk ons look great.

We held an offense averaging 53 points per game to 28 heading into the fourth quarter. They went up to 35 with 12 minutes left and we held them there until they scored a TD in garbage time with 1 minute left to get to 42.

But I understand your point. Each school has their own system with recruits scouted to fit that system. While you are never out of a game because of your offense, we are never out of a game because our defense has the ability to prevent TDs and causes turnovers.

This is what makes the UCF/ECU finale so interesting to watch. Clash of football philosophies.

ECU is in the drivers seat for the conference title but that is because of their offense not because of their defense.

ECU versus the rest of the AAC ahead of ECU in NCAA rankings:

Total Defense: UCF #10, Houston #19, Memphis #26, UConn #45, Temple #47, Tulane #49, and ECU coming in at #50

Red Zone Defense: Temple #2, Tulane #5, UCF #9, Cincinnati #13, Memphis #30, ECU #44

Rushing Defense: ECU #10

Passing Yards Allowed: Houston #10, Temple #21, UCF #22, Tulane #31, Memphis #41, ECU not listed on top 50

Scoring Defense: Houston #10, UCF #14, Memphis #16, Temple #18, and at ECU #47

Turnover Margin: Houston #13, Memphis #16, Cincinnati #30, Tulane #38, ECU not listed on top 50

Turnovers Gained: Houston #3, Temple #10, Tulane #13, USF #16, Memphis #16, UCF #37, ECU not listed on top 50

Tackles for Loss: UCF #14, Memphis #14, Tulane #25, Tulsa #25, ECU not listed on top 50

Team Sacks: UCF #19, Cincinnati #30, Memphis #43, ECU not listed on top 50

Team Passing Efficiency Defense: Houston #5, UCF #15, ECU #42

A little lengthy but I didn't want to be accused of "selective" stats.....

Lulz at this thread. We're 23rd in the country and 1st in the AAC.