(10-31-2014 08:30 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 06:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  You are seeing it from Illinois, I am seeing it from Virginia. Can't speak for CO or OH, but a repubpican that could get elected in Illinois or New Jersey has no shot here or NC.

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That's thinking of voting patterns from 15 years ago. Virginia and North Carolina have demographically changed pretty massively since then. Sure, a hard right conservative can win the Republican *primary* there. However, Democrats are definitely competitive in statewide elections. How can you say that the type of Republican that gets elected in Illinois and New Jersey wouldn't get elected when Virginia voted for Obama TWICE? That indicates that a more moderate Republican is EXACTLY the formula to win Virginia and North Carolina consistently in today's environment. Maybe you live in the more conservative portion of Virginia so it *seems* like a conservative state, but that voice is getting overwhelmed by the number of people moving to Northern Virginia (meaning that you're eventually going to have as much power as the very conservative Downstate Illinois... meaning very little because the population isn't there).

No, not really, they have a high concentration of black voters that were motivated to turnout in droves to vote for Obama. Doug Wilder was governor of VA 20+ years ago. Bob McDonnell won the Virginia governor race 5 years ago by almost 20 points. His corruption is probably the difference in 2013. Demographics have not changed much.

Obama won twice not because he won moderates. He one twice because he turned out blacks and conservatives stayed home. McCain was a loser candidate and they didn't turn out for Romney because of his religion. Romney actually won the moderate vote.

(10-31-2014 07:36 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 03:38 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 03:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 03:32 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 03:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  You are no longer a "kid". Grow up. That is our point. Never before in our history has "kids these days" been 25-30 years old.

I bet you don't realize the difference between 25-32 year olds and the millennials you talk **** about.

Do you care to address my point that your generation are now adults that see themselves as kids and act like kids? 25, 29, 30, 32, 22, 18... it really doesn't make a difference. Grow up.

Yes it does. People my age barely relate to those who are under 21, and certainly don't see themselves as children. I know a couple people that are living at home, but for the most part people my age just want to make their nut. Nobody wants to be that guy.

Reminds me of a Lombardi quote, "Everybody has the will to win, few people have the will to prepare to win."

Yeah, all your peers want to "make their nut" but few are willing to do the hard things to get there. That's why they're not yet adults.

I only know one person who isn't trying. He has a medical condition preventing him from walking more than a few minutes at a time. Everyone else is in the trenches working just as hard as you ***holes.

(10-31-2014 10:27 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 07:36 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 03:38 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 03:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 03:32 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  I bet you don't realize the difference between 25-32 year olds and the millennials you talk **** about.

Do you care to address my point that your generation are now adults that see themselves as kids and act like kids? 25, 29, 30, 32, 22, 18... it really doesn't make a difference. Grow up.

Yes it does. People my age barely relate to those who are under 21, and certainly don't see themselves as children. I know a couple people that are living at home, but for the most part people my age just want to make their nut. Nobody wants to be that guy.

Reminds me of a Lombardi quote, "Everybody has the will to win, few people have the will to prepare to win."

Yeah, all your peers want to "make their nut" but few are willing to do the hard things to get there. That's why they're not yet adults.

I only know one person who isn't trying. He has a medical condition preventing him from walking more than a few minutes at a time. Everyone else is in the trenches working just as hard as you ***holes.

Or it's possible that the OP is simply wrong

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shocki...le/2555411

Quote:Shocking Harvard poll: Millennial voters want GOP in charge, abandon Obama

(10-31-2014 10:48 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Or it's possible that the OP is simply wrong

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shocki...le/2555411

Quote:Shocking Harvard poll: Millennial voters want GOP in charge, abandon Obama

Yeah, I posted that the other day in this thread and it was either overlooked or conveniently ignored. I thought it was interesting. Seems some folks FINALLY realized they were lied to back in 2008 and 2014.

(10-31-2014 10:48 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Or it's possible that the OP is simply wrong

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shocki...le/2555411

Quote:Shocking Harvard poll: Millennial voters want GOP in charge, abandon Obama

I have heard the generation behind the millenials is conservative. The Harvard poll encompasses 18-29. Millenials are more like 22-32. Perhaps the generation behind the millenials are reflective of this poll.

While I'm a Christian I've never understood the cognitive disconnect that exist in believers by politicizing religious POV. It runs contrary to the very idea of separation of church and state. As stated, the whole not talking about it tactic or the states rights plan will be non-starters because the DNC will press any candidate to commit to some POV that will get them perceived as intolerant.

What should be the overarching strategy is that what you want to do is ensure that federal government is leveraged to enhance personal freedoms. Thus, as long as the state in involved in issuing marriage licenses, it cannot discriminate between consenting adults. The same thing is true for abortions as this shouldn't be an issue if one is living their life according to the Bible.

(10-31-2014 10:43 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 10:27 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 07:36 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 03:38 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 03:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Do you care to address my point that your generation are now adults that see themselves as kids and act like kids? 25, 29, 30, 32, 22, 18... it really doesn't make a difference. Grow up.

Yes it does. People my age barely relate to those who are under 21, and certainly don't see themselves as children. I know a couple people that are living at home, but for the most part people my age just want to make their nut. Nobody wants to be that guy.

Reminds me of a Lombardi quote, "Everybody has the will to win, few people have the will to prepare to win."

Yeah, all your peers want to "make their nut" but few are willing to do the hard things to get there. That's why they're not yet adults.

I only know one person who isn't trying. He has a medical condition preventing him from walking more than a few minutes at a time. Everyone else is in the trenches working just as hard as you ***holes.

(10-30-2014 04:47 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The fact that Republicans didn't trounce Obama in 2012 with such a horrific economic and regulatory record is a testament to the fact that there is a large segment of the population that straight up won't even listen to the GOP's fiscal message because they can't get past the social views.

Perhaps so. But if that's the case (and I'm inclined to agree), it may well be that this "problem" is simply a circle that can't be squared. I speak for no one else, but just for myself, I know that I will never vote for a presidential candidate who declares that the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to an abortion during pregnancy, or requires that States recognize/affirm homosexual relationships as "marriages". If that viewpoint means there is no place for me within the traditional two-party-system… Oh, well.

(10-30-2014 05:05 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  if I could create a forum where the commenters were just as civil and objective about politics as they are about college sports issues, I'd love it, but that's REALLY tough. I haven't found one on the web yet and I've been looking for one for many years.

Agree with all of this.

(10-30-2014 04:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I'd say frank would of commented anyways seeing how often he talks about this stuff. You guys didn't prove/disprove anything. all you guys did was focus on the kinda of talking points that need to be reserved for WWE forum banter that don't provide anything to the argument. all you did was attack education, pull the age old (and never logical) "your intolerance to my intolerance is unfair" talking point, and did nothing but randomly categorize an entire generation of people as "this or that" and even named specific posters. You are completely out of it especially when you think your personal stigmatized opinion of millennials is a legitimate counter argument to the factually proven comment that millennials are indeed more tolerant & more educated than previous generations. your talking point is just the response.

I have no problems engaging you in legitimate discussion about this issue. but when you resort to personal insults, take your personal stigmatizing opinions and presenting them as if they are factually correct, and torch adding the "you have never made a single logical post on csnbbs (paraphrase)" comments...

then yeah, I think I am totally justified in saying that this thread has effectively gone to hell.

Oh boy. So telling you that Millennials aren't more educated or tolerant resorts to all of what you just said, amirite? And it means that I'm insulting you, right?

So in other words, no matter what is said, it's going to be a thread that goes to crap and anyone who thinks like me is going to be wrong and insulting.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhure tang jonneh zee

(10-31-2014 02:40 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 04:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I'd say frank would of commented anyways seeing how often he talks about this stuff. You guys didn't prove/disprove anything. all you guys did was focus on the kinda of talking points that need to be reserved for WWE forum banter that don't provide anything to the argument. all you did was attack education, pull the age old (and never logical) "your intolerance to my intolerance is unfair" talking point, and did nothing but randomly categorize an entire generation of people as "this or that" and even named specific posters. You are completely out of it especially when you think your personal stigmatized opinion of millennials is a legitimate counter argument to the factually proven comment that millennials are indeed more tolerant & more educated than previous generations. your talking point is just the response.

I have no problems engaging you in legitimate discussion about this issue. but when you resort to personal insults, take your personal stigmatizing opinions and presenting them as if they are factually correct, and torch adding the "you have never made a single logical post on csnbbs (paraphrase)" comments...

then yeah, I think I am totally justified in saying that this thread has effectively gone to hell.

Oh boy. So telling you that Millennials aren't more educated or tolerant resorts to all of what you just said, amirite? And it means that I'm insulting you, right?

So in other words, no matter what is said, it's going to be a thread that goes to crap and anyone who thinks like me is going to be wrong and insulting.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhure tang jonneh zee

dude, it is always your way or the high way every single time. the authors statement was factually correct and you are claiming that it is incorrect based on your twisted personal concept of what constitutes tolerance and what constitutes education. these are views that are by no means mainstream.

these threads only go to crap when the E-gang shows up. you turned a thread about millennials/voting trends and turned it into a millennial bashing conversation. then you have the audacity to suggest that I am only calling you out on this just because it is you and has nothing to do with the insulting, degrading, and twisted comments that you made.

you didn't like a comment that actually praises that generation so you went about trying to bash said generation and even claiming which people are "real" and which are "not real" members of it.

(10-31-2014 04:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 02:40 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 04:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I'd say frank would of commented anyways seeing how often he talks about this stuff. You guys didn't prove/disprove anything. all you guys did was focus on the kinda of talking points that need to be reserved for WWE forum banter that don't provide anything to the argument. all you did was attack education, pull the age old (and never logical) "your intolerance to my intolerance is unfair" talking point, and did nothing but randomly categorize an entire generation of people as "this or that" and even named specific posters. You are completely out of it especially when you think your personal stigmatized opinion of millennials is a legitimate counter argument to the factually proven comment that millennials are indeed more tolerant & more educated than previous generations. your talking point is just the response.

I have no problems engaging you in legitimate discussion about this issue. but when you resort to personal insults, take your personal stigmatizing opinions and presenting them as if they are factually correct, and torch adding the "you have never made a single logical post on csnbbs (paraphrase)" comments...

then yeah, I think I am totally justified in saying that this thread has effectively gone to hell.

Oh boy. So telling you that Millennials aren't more educated or tolerant resorts to all of what you just said, amirite? And it means that I'm insulting you, right?

So in other words, no matter what is said, it's going to be a thread that goes to crap and anyone who thinks like me is going to be wrong and insulting.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhure tang jonneh zee

dude, it is always your way or the high way every single time. the authors statement was factually correct and you are claiming that it is incorrect based on your twisted personal concept of what constitutes tolerance and what constitutes education. these are views that are by no means mainstream.

these threads only go to crap when the E-gang shows up. you turned a thread about millennials/voting trends and turned it into a millennial bashing conversation. then you have the audacity to suggest that I am only calling you out on this just because it is you and has nothing to do with the insulting, degrading, and twisted comments that you made.

you didn't like a comment that actually praises that generation so you went about trying to bash said generation and even claiming which people are "real" and which are "not real" members of it.

(10-31-2014 04:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 02:40 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 04:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I'd say frank would of commented anyways seeing how often he talks about this stuff. You guys didn't prove/disprove anything. all you guys did was focus on the kinda of talking points that need to be reserved for WWE forum banter that don't provide anything to the argument. all you did was attack education, pull the age old (and never logical) "your intolerance to my intolerance is unfair" talking point, and did nothing but randomly categorize an entire generation of people as "this or that" and even named specific posters. You are completely out of it especially when you think your personal stigmatized opinion of millennials is a legitimate counter argument to the factually proven comment that millennials are indeed more tolerant & more educated than previous generations. your talking point is just the response.

I have no problems engaging you in legitimate discussion about this issue. but when you resort to personal insults, take your personal stigmatizing opinions and presenting them as if they are factually correct, and torch adding the "you have never made a single logical post on csnbbs (paraphrase)" comments...

then yeah, I think I am totally justified in saying that this thread has effectively gone to hell.

Oh boy. So telling you that Millennials aren't more educated or tolerant resorts to all of what you just said, amirite? And it means that I'm insulting you, right?

So in other words, no matter what is said, it's going to be a thread that goes to crap and anyone who thinks like me is going to be wrong and insulting.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhure tang jonneh zee

dude, it is always your way or the high way every single time. the authors statement was factually correct and you are claiming that it is incorrect based on your twisted personal concept of what constitutes tolerance and what constitutes education. these are views that are by no means mainstream.

these threads only go to crap when the E-gang shows up. you turned a thread about millennials/voting trends and turned it into a millennial bashing conversation. then you have the audacity to suggest that I am only calling you out on this just because it is you and has nothing to do with the insulting, degrading, and twisted comments that you made.

you didn't like a comment that actually praises that generation so you went about trying to bash said generation and even claiming which people are "real" and which are "not real" members of it.

john, you're completely right about everything in this thread, but you're suffering under the misguided notion that being right will matter to conservatives. They are slaves to what they want to be true, not what is actually true. So injecting truth and reality into a discussion with them and expecting it to matter will only lead to frustration for you. They're not driven by truth and reality; they're driven by their emotions and wants. So really, don't bother with those types. You'll be happier.

(10-31-2014 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 04:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(10-31-2014 02:40 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 04:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I'd say frank would of commented anyways seeing how often he talks about this stuff. You guys didn't prove/disprove anything. all you guys did was focus on the kinda of talking points that need to be reserved for WWE forum banter that don't provide anything to the argument. all you did was attack education, pull the age old (and never logical) "your intolerance to my intolerance is unfair" talking point, and did nothing but randomly categorize an entire generation of people as "this or that" and even named specific posters. You are completely out of it especially when you think your personal stigmatized opinion of millennials is a legitimate counter argument to the factually proven comment that millennials are indeed more tolerant & more educated than previous generations. your talking point is just the response.

I have no problems engaging you in legitimate discussion about this issue. but when you resort to personal insults, take your personal stigmatizing opinions and presenting them as if they are factually correct, and torch adding the "you have never made a single logical post on csnbbs (paraphrase)" comments...

then yeah, I think I am totally justified in saying that this thread has effectively gone to hell.

Oh boy. So telling you that Millennials aren't more educated or tolerant resorts to all of what you just said, amirite? And it means that I'm insulting you, right?

So in other words, no matter what is said, it's going to be a thread that goes to crap and anyone who thinks like me is going to be wrong and insulting.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhure tang jonneh zee

dude, it is always your way or the high way every single time. the authors statement was factually correct and you are claiming that it is incorrect based on your twisted personal concept of what constitutes tolerance and what constitutes education. these are views that are by no means mainstream.

these threads only go to crap when the E-gang shows up. you turned a thread about millennials/voting trends and turned it into a millennial bashing conversation. then you have the audacity to suggest that I am only calling you out on this just because it is you and has nothing to do with the insulting, degrading, and twisted comments that you made.

you didn't like a comment that actually praises that generation so you went about trying to bash said generation and even claiming which people are "real" and which are "not real" members of it.

john, you're completely right about everything in this thread, but you're suffering under the misguided notion that being right will matter to conservatives. They are slaves to what they want to be true, not what is actually true. So injecting truth and reality into a discussion with them and expecting it to matter will only lead to frustration for you. They're not driven by truth and reality; they're driven by their emotions and wants. So really, don't bother with those types. You'll be happier.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/t...re-effect/

Quote:They repeated the experiment with other wedge issues like stem cell research and tax reform, and once again, they found corrections tended to increase the strength of the participants’ misconceptions if those corrections contradicted their ideologies. People on opposing sides of the political spectrum read the same articles and then the same corrections, and when new evidence was interpreted as threatening to their beliefs, they doubled down. The corrections backfired.

Quote:The last time you got into, or sat on the sidelines of, an argument online with someone who thought they knew all there was to know about health care reform, gun control, gay marriage, climate change, sex education, the drug war, Joss Whedon or whether or not 0.9999 repeated to infinity was equal to one – how did it go?

Did you teach the other party a valuable lesson? Did they thank you for edifying them on the intricacies of the issue after cursing their heretofore ignorance, doffing their virtual hat as they parted from the keyboard a better person?

No, probably not. Most online battles follow a similar pattern, each side launching attacks and pulling evidence from deep inside the web to back up their positions until, out of frustration, one party resorts to an all-out ad hominem nuclear strike. If you are lucky, the comment thread will get derailed in time for you to keep your dignity, or a neighboring commenter will help initiate a text-based dogpile on your opponent.

The thing to be seen: Will millennials **** it up more than X or the Boomers. I mean, you MFers gave us Maddow and Limbaugh. I'm not sure we should listen to you.