(10-21-2014 04:46 PM)Petor706 Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 04:38 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-18-2014 03:27 PM)Petor706 Wrote:  

(10-18-2014 03:23 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  Army is not doing all that well. Maybe he enjoys a challenge or the money makes mediocrity palatable.

I'm guessing there are about 750,000 extra reasons why he doesn't.

He is not making 750K more than Fritz but yes huge pay raise but I think it is short term gain for long term pain. I dont think it will be that long before GS realizes we are going to have to get between 750K-1M if we want to fend off the at least the average G5 teams.

I was talking about over what he was being paid (not including coaches shows) last year.

Side note: Was there a Satterfield-esque clause built into his contract for the move up? I.e. Would he have received a raise if he stayed for the jump up?

I still don't think it was $750K more since I think he was at $250K and we did offer a pay raise before he left. I think Fritz is at $400K+/- with a raise every year for three years. Monken is at $700K.
I other than some nice dough in the short run I dont get it and I am an Army vet.

Side note the lowest paid P5 is at 1.4M and highest paid G5 is 3.2M.

Guess the question is then if being at Army and losing early is worth a 75% additional
pay, because imagine GaSo would have upped his salary to @ what Fritz is getting.
Would imagine most coaches probably would, especially with the prestige of coaching
one of our armed forces schools, no offense to GaSo, but some would look at it as
being patriotic also.

(10-18-2014 03:38 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  gotta take the money when they more than double your salary. One of those rare instances where him leaving worked out well for everyone.

Coaches have it tough no doubt when making the decision to take on an academy. They also have an "entire staff" to consider that also, and in some cases significantly, increases their income.

(10-22-2014 06:39 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Guess the question is then if being at Army and losing early is worth a 75% additional
pay, because imagine GaSo would have upped his salary to @ what Fritz is getting.
Would imagine most coaches probably would, especially with the prestige of coaching
one of our armed forces schools, no offense to GaSo, but some would look at it as
being patriotic also.

Not people in the Army, or the vast majority of us, please lose any notion the regular Army outside of the tiny portion of West Point cadets gave two craps about the USMA's football team. Also, if I heard right Fritz salary increases overtime and its not like at the current rate of growth GaSou will not be in that pay range before long. Did'nt work out to well for the last coach, I bet Fritz gets double if not triple what Monken gets at his next gig if this continues, same with the staff that sticks with him. Like I said IMO it appears to be short term gain for long term pain.

Yet Monken mentioned the patriotic side when he took the job.

I'm hoping he's happy with his new challenge. You must remember, when he took the GS job, we were a project as well. I think the short term increase that may be double was just a bonus.

I know Jeff personally, and I will tell you that his decision to take the Army job was more about his love of this country and this opportunity to serve it than it was about the increase in money. He was well aware of the fact that a sizable pay raise was coming at GS, and he loved being in Statesboro. But to hear him talk about his time at Navy and the reverence he has for all of the service academies and the young men who will leave there and be called on to protect our freedom at home and abroad can help you understand why he accepted the job. Don't get me wrong, the money increase is nice, but there is more to his leaving than money.

(10-23-2014 07:00 AM)str8shooter Wrote:  I know Jeff personally, and I will tell you that his decision to take the Army job was more about his love of this country and this opportunity to serve it than it was about the increase in money. He was well aware of the fact that a sizable pay raise was coming at GS, and he loved being in Statesboro. But to hear him talk about his time at Navy and the reverence he has for all of the service academies and the young men who will leave there and be called on to protect our freedom at home and abroad can help you understand why he accepted the job. Don't get me wrong, the money increase is nice, but there is more to his leaving than money.

The qualities that Jeff Monken instills in those young men at West Point may very well save hundreds or even thousands of lives one day as messed up as this world is and all the calls upon our military.

(10-22-2014 11:27 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Yet Monken mentioned the patriotic side when he took the job.

Yet he has never served and west point cadets are no better than ROTC officers trust me. Which we have at GSU and probably outnumber west point cadets 5:1 in the Army.
If any P5 school called him today he would be gone. Save the sanctimonious BS for someone who never was in or knows what west point is all about.

(10-23-2014 08:12 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:27 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Yet Monken mentioned the patriotic side when he took the job.

Yet he has never served and west point cadets are no better than ROTC officers trust me. Which we have at GSU and probably outnumber west point cadets 5:1 in the Army.
If any P5 school called him today he would be gone. Save the sanctimonious BS for someone who never was in or knows what west point is all about.

If you do not hold West Point, the Naval Academy, or the Air Force Academy in high regard then I understand your comments. However to me the training they get far exceeds the ROTC training that is given at various other colleges, or at state military schools like The Citadel or VMI.

Monken took the job because opportunities for coaches running an offense perceived as a "gimmick" by ignorant fans and boosters are limited and it could potentially be a long time before another service academy job is available. That, and he has 3 girls that he has to think of.

There's nothing wrong with that and I don't hold it against him, but you can't tell me would take the job if the pay was only marginally more than what Georgia Southern pays.

(10-23-2014 08:40 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Monken took the job because opportunities for coaches running an offense perceived as a "gimmick" by ignorant fans and boosters are limited and it could potentially be a long time before another service academy job is available. That, and he has 3 girls that he has to think of.

There's nothing wrong with that and I don't hold it against him, but you can't tell me would take the job if the pay was only marginally more than what Georgia Southern pays.

Maybe not. And possibly the patriotic comments may have been to justify what he was doing.

(10-23-2014 08:39 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 08:12 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:27 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Yet Monken mentioned the patriotic side when he took the job.

Yet he has never served and west point cadets are no better than ROTC officers trust me. Which we have at GSU and probably outnumber west point cadets 5:1 in the Army.
If any P5 school called him today he would be gone. Save the sanctimonious BS for someone who never was in or knows what west point is all about.

If you do not hold West Point, the Naval Academy, or the Air Force Academy in high regard then I understand your comments. However to me the training they get far exceeds the ROTC training that is given at various other colleges, or at state military schools like The Citadel or VMI.

Disagree, my Georgia Southern ROTC training prepared me as well as any other officer I encountered in my 23 year career and that includes leadership (in the field unit leadership) and academics (Officer Basic Courses through Command and General Staff College).

(10-23-2014 08:39 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 08:12 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:27 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Yet Monken mentioned the patriotic side when he took the job.

Yet he has never served and west point cadets are no better than ROTC officers trust me. Which we have at GSU and probably outnumber west point cadets 5:1 in the Army.
If any P5 school called him today he would be gone. Save the sanctimonious BS for someone who never was in or knows what west point is all about.

If you do not hold West Point, the Naval Academy, or the Air Force Academy in high regard then I understand your comments. However to me the training they get far exceeds the ROTC training that is given at various other colleges, or at state military schools like The Citadel or VMI.

That is pure opinion, you now why, the best officers I served under were ALL ROTC and I had plenty of both. Especially the prior service ROTC officers. There is also the OCS program as well and I guarantee you any training at Ft. Benning is second to none in the world. We also had drill cadets come in from West Point, they were turds and our Drill Sergeants would barely speak to them. About the only thing I saw where a West Point degree came into play is in the politics of getting to the upper ranks. It do not dislike West Point officers but do not think they are any better than the ROTC officers and certainly any better that kids from a VMI type school. I get the general public is going to have the impressions they do about West Point from how it is portrayed but when boot hit the ground it meant squat in the infantry any way, I can't speak for the other MOS's.

The best part about doing ROTC vs West Point......everyone comes out as a butter bar. All equally worthless slick sleeve combat cherries! (minus the prior enlisted, but even some of them are cherries)

Best officers I ever encountered were prior service ROTC soldiers.

(10-23-2014 01:15 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  The best part about doing ROTC vs West Point......everyone comes out as a butter bar. All equally worthless slick sleeve combat cherries! (minus the prior enlisted, but even some of them are cherries)

Ha! Cherries have not heard that term in awhile!! It is your first and or last name for a year depending on the adjectives placed around it. F'ing Cherry or Cherry F. Wonder if they are still allowed to use that term in the PC Army.

(10-23-2014 01:29 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 01:15 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  The best part about doing ROTC vs West Point......everyone comes out as a butter bar. All equally worthless slick sleeve combat cherries! (minus the prior enlisted, but even some of them are cherries)

Ha! Cherries have not heard that term in awhile!! It is your first and or last name for a year depending on the adjectives placed around it. F'ing Cherry or Cherry F. Wonder if they are still allowed to use that term in the PC Army.

Was in total existence my last time in A-Stan (2010).

Best usages I can remember:

"That cherry over there has a murder b0ner, keep an eye on him during patrol."

"Was that an RPG?" "Yes it was, can't you see all the cherry all over the ground? Now we gotta go do CIB paperwork all night."

"Tell that cherry NCO to eat my d*ck."

On a radio post IED strike on a truck...."1-2 Delta, you guys good in there?"
"This is 1-2 Delta, yeah we are good but I think the cherry in the back just sh*t himself."
"No dude, that is just what broken cherry smells like. Ask him if he needs the medic."

Just a few, I can keep going all day.

(10-23-2014 01:07 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 08:39 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 08:12 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:27 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Yet Monken mentioned the patriotic side when he took the job.

Yet he has never served and west point cadets are no better than ROTC officers trust me. Which we have at GSU and probably outnumber west point cadets 5:1 in the Army.
If any P5 school called him today he would be gone. Save the sanctimonious BS for someone who never was in or knows what west point is all about.

If you do not hold West Point, the Naval Academy, or the Air Force Academy in high regard then I understand your comments. However to me the training they get far exceeds the ROTC training that is given at various other colleges, or at state military schools like The Citadel or VMI.

That is pure opinion, you now why, the best officers I served under were ALL ROTC and I had plenty of both. Especially the prior service ROTC officers. There is also the OCS program as well and I guarantee you any training at Ft. Benning is second to none in the world. We also had drill cadets come in from West Point, they were turds and our Drill Sergeants would barely speak to them. About the only thing I saw where a West Point degree came into play is in the politics of getting to the upper ranks. It do not dislike West Point officers but do not think they are any better than the ROTC officers and certainly any better that kids from a VMI type school. I get the general public is going to have the impressions they do about West Point from how it is portrayed but when boot hit the ground it meant squat in the infantry any way, I can't speak for the other MOS's.

I can't speak for my MOS or anybody else's, but From the perspective of someone who spent six years in FA as an enlisted ragbag, I can tell you it depended on the officer. One of the best officers I've ever known was a West Pointer, and I've known some great ROTC and OCS officers.
Flip side, one of the worst officers I ever served under was a West Pointer and probably the biggest POS I ever had the misfortune to run across was ROTC AND prior enlisted. Dude was just a prick, probably wouldn't of mattered where he got his commission from. And he was dumber than SOS.

I do know we used to pull for Navy in the Army-Navy game in just to piss of the West Pointers. ROTC officers would get a kick out of that every time.

As for Monken, it always intrigues me how people on here and the gsu board 'know' why he took the job. I assume there were multiple reasons, including, I think, a sense of patriotism. But I also realize ego, better pay, prestige of the academy, all that probably played into it.