(11-29-2014 11:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'd much rather play a team like a TCU with as little experience as they have in levels like this(remember the TCU Rose Bowl was like 4 years ago- not many of those guys left now).

UA should not want to see TCU. Yes, they have been playing with the big12 only recently, but playing fast paced offences has caused UA headaches, and TCU's defense is not that bad. OSU or Baylor, with defenses not as prominent, would seem to be a preference.

Rankings as of 12/2/14:

1) Alabama
2) Oregon
3) TCU
4) Florida State
5) Ohio State
6) Baylor
7) Arizona
8) Michigan State
9) Kansas State
10) Mississippi State
11) Georgia Tech
12) Ole Miss
13) Wisconsin
14) Georgia
15) UCLA
16) Missouri
17) Arizona State
18) Clemson
19) Auburn
20) Oklahoma
21) Louisville
22) Boise State
23) Utah
24) LSU
25) USC


Why is Michigan State so high?

(12-03-2014 07:16 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Rankings as of 12/2/14:

1) Alabama
2) Oregon
3) TCU
4) Florida State
5) Ohio State
6) Baylor
7) Arizona
8) Michigan State
9) Kansas State
10) Mississippi State
11) Georgia Tech
12) Ole Miss
13) Wisconsin
14) Georgia
15) UCLA
16) Missouri
17) Arizona State
18) Clemson
19) Auburn
20) Oklahoma
21) Louisville
22) Boise State
23) Utah
24) LSU
25) USC


Why is Michigan State so high?

I really don't know. ZERO top 25 wins and losses to #2 and #5.

(12-03-2014 08:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 07:16 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Rankings as of 12/2/14:

1) Alabama
2) Oregon
3) TCU
4) Florida State
5) Ohio State
6) Baylor
7) Arizona
8) Michigan State
9) Kansas State
10) Mississippi State
11) Georgia Tech
12) Ole Miss
13) Wisconsin
14) Georgia
15) UCLA
16) Missouri
17) Arizona State
18) Clemson
19) Auburn
20) Oklahoma
21) Louisville
22) Boise State
23) Utah
24) LSU
25) USC


Why is Michigan State so high?

I really don't know. ZERO top 25 wins and losses to #2 and #5.

True, but they played #2 and #5 close, leading much of the Oregon game at Oregon, and other than Nebraska have dominated everyone else they played. They won at Purdue 45-31, at Maryland 37-15 and have won every other game by at least 24.

(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 08:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 07:16 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Rankings as of 12/2/14:

1) Alabama
2) Oregon
3) TCU
4) Florida State
5) Ohio State
6) Baylor
7) Arizona
8) Michigan State
9) Kansas State
10) Mississippi State
11) Georgia Tech
12) Ole Miss
13) Wisconsin
14) Georgia
15) UCLA
16) Missouri
17) Arizona State
18) Clemson
19) Auburn
20) Oklahoma
21) Louisville
22) Boise State
23) Utah
24) LSU
25) USC


Why is Michigan State so high?

I really don't know. ZERO top 25 wins and losses to #2 and #5.

True, but they played #2 and #5 close, leading much of the Oregon game at Oregon, and other than Nebraska have dominated everyone else they played. They won at Purdue 45-31, at Maryland 37-15 and have won every other game by at least 24.

They did? MSU lost by TWELVE at home versus #5, giving up 39 points and 568 yards in offense. And none of the points were garbage time.

They lost by 19 versus Oregon ... enough said.

They barely beat unranked Nebraska at home, and they didn't even play Wisconsin.

They have zero quality wins. They are almost surely overrated.

I mean, how on earth are they ranked ahead of Mississippi State, who lost to #1 by 5 points on the road, and has wins against two ranked teams, Auburn and LSU? Makes no sense.

(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 08:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 07:16 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Rankings as of 12/2/14:

1) Alabama
2) Oregon
3) TCU
4) Florida State
5) Ohio State
6) Baylor
7) Arizona
8) Michigan State
9) Kansas State
10) Mississippi State
11) Georgia Tech
12) Ole Miss
13) Wisconsin
14) Georgia
15) UCLA
16) Missouri
17) Arizona State
18) Clemson
19) Auburn
20) Oklahoma
21) Louisville
22) Boise State
23) Utah
24) LSU
25) USC


Why is Michigan State so high?

I really don't know. ZERO top 25 wins and losses to #2 and #5.

True, but they played #2 and #5 close, leading much of the Oregon game at Oregon, and other than Nebraska have dominated everyone else they played. They won at Purdue 45-31, at Maryland 37-15 and have won every other game by at least 24.

They have no quality wins at all though.

What will be interesting is Kansas St will be gone from in the middle of them and Mississippi St win or lose this weekend. It'll be very interesting to see if that sticks this weekend. Thinking if Wisconsin beats Ohio St and Alabama beats Missouri- that could knock Ohio St all the way out of the access bowls even. Especially if the Arizona/Oregon game is a close Oregon win- or if Kansas St beats Baylor(getting both in access bowls)

If Alabama, Oregon, TCU, FSU, Baylor, and Wisconsin all win this weekend
would think that these 9 are in one way or the other:
Alabama, Oregon, TCU, FSU, Baylor, Mich St, Miss St, Ole Miss, and Wisconsin.
Think Ga Tech is in Orange regardless.

So last spot would be between
Ohio St, Arizona, Kansas St, and Georgia.

thinking
Orange Ga Tech/Mich St
Peach Ole Miss/Wisconsin
Cotton Baylor/Miss St
Fiesta Arizona/Boise
If Miss St passes Mich St- swap them.

(12-03-2014 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 08:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 07:16 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Rankings as of 12/2/14:

1) Alabama
2) Oregon
3) TCU
4) Florida State
5) Ohio State
6) Baylor
7) Arizona
8) Michigan State
9) Kansas State
10) Mississippi State
11) Georgia Tech
12) Ole Miss
13) Wisconsin
14) Georgia
15) UCLA
16) Missouri
17) Arizona State
18) Clemson
19) Auburn
20) Oklahoma
21) Louisville
22) Boise State
23) Utah
24) LSU
25) USC


Why is Michigan State so high?

I really don't know. ZERO top 25 wins and losses to #2 and #5.

True, but they played #2 and #5 close, leading much of the Oregon game at Oregon, and other than Nebraska have dominated everyone else they played. They won at Purdue 45-31, at Maryland 37-15 and have won every other game by at least 24.

They did? MSU lost by TWELVE at home versus #5, giving up 39 points and 568 yards in offense. And none of the points were garbage time.

They lost by 19 versus Oregon ... enough said.

They barely beat unranked Nebraska at home, and they didn't even play Wisconsin.

They have zero quality wins. They are almost surely overrated.

I mean, how on earth are they ranked ahead of Mississippi State, who lost to #1 by 5 points on the road, and has wins against two ranked teams, Auburn and LSU? Makes no sense.

Alabama gave up 44 to Auburn. TCU gave up 61 to Baylor. Oregon gave up 41 to Cal. FSU gave up 41 to NCSU. Everyone has given up points at some time. And often to lot lesser teams than Oregon and Ohio St.

Mississippi St. has struggled against most of their schedule. Their road wins are LSU by 5, Kentucky by 14 and S. Alabama by 32. A&M, Auburn & Arkansas were at home. When you really look at their schedule now, you can see that they were overrated based on their earlier opponents not being as good as expected.

The committee has SEC schools as the top 1, 3 and 4 loss teams. But MSU is the 4th and Mizzou the 7th ranked 2 loss teams, IMO very much deservedly so.

(12-03-2014 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 08:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 07:16 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Rankings as of 12/2/14:

1) Alabama
2) Oregon
3) TCU
4) Florida State
5) Ohio State
6) Baylor
7) Arizona
8) Michigan State
9) Kansas State
10) Mississippi State
11) Georgia Tech
12) Ole Miss
13) Wisconsin
14) Georgia
15) UCLA
16) Missouri
17) Arizona State
18) Clemson
19) Auburn
20) Oklahoma
21) Louisville
22) Boise State
23) Utah
24) LSU
25) USC


Why is Michigan State so high?

I really don't know. ZERO top 25 wins and losses to #2 and #5.

True, but they played #2 and #5 close, leading much of the Oregon game at Oregon, and other than Nebraska have dominated everyone else they played. They won at Purdue 45-31, at Maryland 37-15 and have won every other game by at least 24.

They did? MSU lost by TWELVE at home versus #5, giving up 39 points and 568 yards in offense. And none of the points were garbage time.

They lost by 19 versus Oregon ... enough said.

They barely beat unranked Nebraska at home, and they didn't even play Wisconsin.

They have zero quality wins. They are almost surely overrated.

I mean, how on earth are they ranked ahead of Mississippi State, who lost to #1 by 5 points on the road, and has wins against two ranked teams, Auburn and LSU? Makes no sense.

Alabama gave up 44 to Auburn. TCU gave up 61 to Baylor. Oregon gave up 41 to Cal. FSU gave up 41 to NCSU. Everyone has given up points at some time. And often to lot lesser teams than Oregon and Ohio St.

Mississippi St. has struggled against most of their schedule. Their road wins are LSU by 5, Kentucky by 14 and S. Alabama by 32. A&M, Auburn & Arkansas were at home. When you really look at their schedule now, you can see that they were overrated based on their earlier opponents not being as good as expected.

The committee has SEC schools as the top 1, 3 and 4 loss teams. But MSU is the 4th and Mizzou the 7th ranked 2 loss teams, IMO very much deservedly so.

But again what has Michigan St done? 0 ranked wins. NONE.

And a road win at a ranked LSU team by 5 points is not a struggle. It just isn't, no matter how much you want to claim it is.

(12-03-2014 10:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 08:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I really don't know. ZERO top 25 wins and losses to #2 and #5.

True, but they played #2 and #5 close, leading much of the Oregon game at Oregon, and other than Nebraska have dominated everyone else they played. They won at Purdue 45-31, at Maryland 37-15 and have won every other game by at least 24.

They did? MSU lost by TWELVE at home versus #5, giving up 39 points and 568 yards in offense. And none of the points were garbage time.

They lost by 19 versus Oregon ... enough said.

They barely beat unranked Nebraska at home, and they didn't even play Wisconsin.

They have zero quality wins. They are almost surely overrated.

I mean, how on earth are they ranked ahead of Mississippi State, who lost to #1 by 5 points on the road, and has wins against two ranked teams, Auburn and LSU? Makes no sense.

Alabama gave up 44 to Auburn. TCU gave up 61 to Baylor. Oregon gave up 41 to Cal. FSU gave up 41 to NCSU. Everyone has given up points at some time. And often to lot lesser teams than Oregon and Ohio St.

Mississippi St. has struggled against most of their schedule. Their road wins are LSU by 5, Kentucky by 14 and S. Alabama by 32. A&M, Auburn & Arkansas were at home. When you really look at their schedule now, you can see that they were overrated based on their earlier opponents not being as good as expected.

The committee has SEC schools as the top 1, 3 and 4 loss teams. But MSU is the 4th and Mizzou the 7th ranked 2 loss teams, IMO very much deservedly so.

But again what has Michigan St done? 0 ranked wins. NONE.

And a road win at a ranked LSU team by 5 points is not a struggle. It just isn't, no matter how much you want to claim it is.

That 5 point loss to Alabama wasn't close. There was really little doubt at halftime. Once they got it to 6 in the 4th, Alabama simply turned it on again, did a long drive and put it away. MSU cut it to 5 with a TD with 15 seconds left.

As for LSU your comment looks pretty weird saying 5 points is not a struggle. I did look it up and see that LSU made it close with late scores, much like MSU did with Alabama.

(12-03-2014 10:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  True, but they played #2 and #5 close, leading much of the Oregon game at Oregon, and other than Nebraska have dominated everyone else they played. They won at Purdue 45-31, at Maryland 37-15 and have won every other game by at least 24.

They did? MSU lost by TWELVE at home versus #5, giving up 39 points and 568 yards in offense. And none of the points were garbage time.

They lost by 19 versus Oregon ... enough said.

They barely beat unranked Nebraska at home, and they didn't even play Wisconsin.

They have zero quality wins. They are almost surely overrated.

I mean, how on earth are they ranked ahead of Mississippi State, who lost to #1 by 5 points on the road, and has wins against two ranked teams, Auburn and LSU? Makes no sense.

Alabama gave up 44 to Auburn. TCU gave up 61 to Baylor. Oregon gave up 41 to Cal. FSU gave up 41 to NCSU. Everyone has given up points at some time. And often to lot lesser teams than Oregon and Ohio St.

Mississippi St. has struggled against most of their schedule. Their road wins are LSU by 5, Kentucky by 14 and S. Alabama by 32. A&M, Auburn & Arkansas were at home. When you really look at their schedule now, you can see that they were overrated based on their earlier opponents not being as good as expected.

The committee has SEC schools as the top 1, 3 and 4 loss teams. But MSU is the 4th and Mizzou the 7th ranked 2 loss teams, IMO very much deservedly so.

But again what has Michigan St done? 0 ranked wins. NONE.

And a road win at a ranked LSU team by 5 points is not a struggle. It just isn't, no matter how much you want to claim it is.

That 5 point loss to Alabama wasn't close. There was really little doubt at halftime. Once they got it to 6 in the 4th, Alabama simply turned it on again, did a long drive and put it away. MSU cut it to 5 with a TD with 15 seconds left.

As for LSU your comment looks pretty weird saying 5 points is not a struggle. I did look it up and see that LSU made it close with late scores, much like MSU did with Alabama.

LSU- it's not a game that you are going to get dinged on. They won at a ranked opponent. That's a plus game no matter how you cut it.

Again though- what quality win does Michigan St have? Or are we basing it just on the fact they lost by 12 to Ohio St and by 19 to Oregon? They have NO quality wins. The LSU game for Mississippi St is their 2nd best win- and it blows away anything that Michigan St has.

(12-03-2014 10:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  They did? MSU lost by TWELVE at home versus #5, giving up 39 points and 568 yards in offense. And none of the points were garbage time.

They lost by 19 versus Oregon ... enough said.

They barely beat unranked Nebraska at home, and they didn't even play Wisconsin.

They have zero quality wins. They are almost surely overrated.

I mean, how on earth are they ranked ahead of Mississippi State, who lost to #1 by 5 points on the road, and has wins against two ranked teams, Auburn and LSU? Makes no sense.

Alabama gave up 44 to Auburn. TCU gave up 61 to Baylor. Oregon gave up 41 to Cal. FSU gave up 41 to NCSU. Everyone has given up points at some time. And often to lot lesser teams than Oregon and Ohio St.

Mississippi St. has struggled against most of their schedule. Their road wins are LSU by 5, Kentucky by 14 and S. Alabama by 32. A&M, Auburn & Arkansas were at home. When you really look at their schedule now, you can see that they were overrated based on their earlier opponents not being as good as expected.

The committee has SEC schools as the top 1, 3 and 4 loss teams. But MSU is the 4th and Mizzou the 7th ranked 2 loss teams, IMO very much deservedly so.

But again what has Michigan St done? 0 ranked wins. NONE.

And a road win at a ranked LSU team by 5 points is not a struggle. It just isn't, no matter how much you want to claim it is.

That 5 point loss to Alabama wasn't close. There was really little doubt at halftime. Once they got it to 6 in the 4th, Alabama simply turned it on again, did a long drive and put it away. MSU cut it to 5 with a TD with 15 seconds left.

As for LSU your comment looks pretty weird saying 5 points is not a struggle. I did look it up and see that LSU made it close with late scores, much like MSU did with Alabama.

LSU- it's not a game that you are going to get dinged on. They won at a ranked opponent. That's a plus game no matter how you cut it.

Again though- what quality win does Michigan St have? Or are we basing it just on the fact they lost by 12 to Ohio St and by 19 to Oregon? They have NO quality wins. The LSU game for Mississippi St is their 2nd best win- and it blows away anything that Michigan St has.

LSU and Auburn are definitely better than Nebraska and Maryland, but I wouldn't say it blows Michigan St. away. Michigan St. has looked more impressive against the patsies and were competitive in their two losses. They lead Oregon by 9 late in the 3rd quarter. Mississippi St. got dominated by Alabama and to a lesser extent Ole Miss. Watching those 2 games, I just never felt MSU could win.

(12-03-2014 10:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  Alabama gave up 44 to Auburn. TCU gave up 61 to Baylor. Oregon gave up 41 to Cal. FSU gave up 41 to NCSU. Everyone has given up points at some time. And often to lot lesser teams than Oregon and Ohio St.

Mississippi St. has struggled against most of their schedule. Their road wins are LSU by 5, Kentucky by 14 and S. Alabama by 32. A&M, Auburn & Arkansas were at home. When you really look at their schedule now, you can see that they were overrated based on their earlier opponents not being as good as expected.

The committee has SEC schools as the top 1, 3 and 4 loss teams. But MSU is the 4th and Mizzou the 7th ranked 2 loss teams, IMO very much deservedly so.

But again what has Michigan St done? 0 ranked wins. NONE.

And a road win at a ranked LSU team by 5 points is not a struggle. It just isn't, no matter how much you want to claim it is.

That 5 point loss to Alabama wasn't close. There was really little doubt at halftime. Once they got it to 6 in the 4th, Alabama simply turned it on again, did a long drive and put it away. MSU cut it to 5 with a TD with 15 seconds left.

As for LSU your comment looks pretty weird saying 5 points is not a struggle. I did look it up and see that LSU made it close with late scores, much like MSU did with Alabama.

LSU- it's not a game that you are going to get dinged on. They won at a ranked opponent. That's a plus game no matter how you cut it.

Again though- what quality win does Michigan St have? Or are we basing it just on the fact they lost by 12 to Ohio St and by 19 to Oregon? They have NO quality wins. The LSU game for Mississippi St is their 2nd best win- and it blows away anything that Michigan St has.

LSU and Auburn are definitely better than Nebraska and Maryland, but I wouldn't say it blows Michigan St. away. Michigan St. has looked more impressive against the patsies and were competitive in their two losses. They lead Oregon by 9 late in the 3rd quarter. Mississippi St. got dominated by Alabama and to a lesser extent Ole Miss. Watching those 2 games, I just never felt MSU could win.

LSU and Auburn blows Nebraska and Maryland away. Maryland wouldn't be within 30 points of either of those teams.

(12-03-2014 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 08:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 07:16 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Rankings as of 12/2/14:

1) Alabama
2) Oregon
3) TCU
4) Florida State
5) Ohio State
6) Baylor
7) Arizona
8) Michigan State
9) Kansas State
10) Mississippi State
11) Georgia Tech
12) Ole Miss
13) Wisconsin
14) Georgia
15) UCLA
16) Missouri
17) Arizona State
18) Clemson
19) Auburn
20) Oklahoma
21) Louisville
22) Boise State
23) Utah
24) LSU
25) USC


Why is Michigan State so high?

I really don't know. ZERO top 25 wins and losses to #2 and #5.

True, but they played #2 and #5 close, leading much of the Oregon game at Oregon, and other than Nebraska have dominated everyone else they played. They won at Purdue 45-31, at Maryland 37-15 and have won every other game by at least 24.

They did? MSU lost by TWELVE at home versus #5, giving up 39 points and 568 yards in offense. And none of the points were garbage time.

They lost by 19 versus Oregon ... enough said.

They barely beat unranked Nebraska at home, and they didn't even play Wisconsin.

They have zero quality wins. They are almost surely overrated.

I mean, how on earth are they ranked ahead of Mississippi State, who lost to #1 by 5 points on the road, and has wins against two ranked teams, Auburn and LSU? Makes no sense.

Alabama gave up 44 to Auburn. TCU gave up 61 to Baylor. Oregon gave up 41 to Cal. FSU gave up 41 to NCSU. Everyone has given up points at some time. And often to lot lesser teams than Oregon and Ohio St.

Mississippi St. has struggled against most of their schedule. Their road wins are LSU by 5, Kentucky by 14 and S. Alabama by 32. A&M, Auburn & Arkansas were at home. When you really look at their schedule now, you can see that they were overrated based on their earlier opponents not being as good as expected.

Yes, MSST was overrated at #1 (!!!) but that doesn't meant they aren't underrated at #10. They surely deserve to be ranked ahead of Michigan State. They have better wins (Auburn, LSU versus who for Michigan State?) AND they have losses that are at least as good as Michigan State (5 points and 14 points versus #1 and #12, both on the road; versus 19 points and 12 points versus #2 and #4, one at home one on road).

(12-03-2014 10:51 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  But again what has Michigan St done? 0 ranked wins. NONE.

And a road win at a ranked LSU team by 5 points is not a struggle. It just isn't, no matter how much you want to claim it is.

That 5 point loss to Alabama wasn't close. There was really little doubt at halftime. Once they got it to 6 in the 4th, Alabama simply turned it on again, did a long drive and put it away. MSU cut it to 5 with a TD with 15 seconds left.

As for LSU your comment looks pretty weird saying 5 points is not a struggle. I did look it up and see that LSU made it close with late scores, much like MSU did with Alabama.

LSU- it's not a game that you are going to get dinged on. They won at a ranked opponent. That's a plus game no matter how you cut it.

Again though- what quality win does Michigan St have? Or are we basing it just on the fact they lost by 12 to Ohio St and by 19 to Oregon? They have NO quality wins. The LSU game for Mississippi St is their 2nd best win- and it blows away anything that Michigan St has.

LSU and Auburn are definitely better than Nebraska and Maryland, but I wouldn't say it blows Michigan St. away. Michigan St. has looked more impressive against the patsies and were competitive in their two losses. They lead Oregon by 9 late in the 3rd quarter. Mississippi St. got dominated by Alabama and to a lesser extent Ole Miss. Watching those 2 games, I just never felt MSU could win.

LSU and Auburn blows Nebraska and Maryland away. Maryland wouldn't be within 30 points of either of those teams.

We may see Nebraska vs. LSU or Auburn in one of the Florida bowls.

(12-03-2014 05:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 08:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I really don't know. ZERO top 25 wins and losses to #2 and #5.

True, but they played #2 and #5 close, leading much of the Oregon game at Oregon, and other than Nebraska have dominated everyone else they played. They won at Purdue 45-31, at Maryland 37-15 and have won every other game by at least 24.

They did? MSU lost by TWELVE at home versus #5, giving up 39 points and 568 yards in offense. And none of the points were garbage time.

They lost by 19 versus Oregon ... enough said.

They barely beat unranked Nebraska at home, and they didn't even play Wisconsin.

They have zero quality wins. They are almost surely overrated.

I mean, how on earth are they ranked ahead of Mississippi State, who lost to #1 by 5 points on the road, and has wins against two ranked teams, Auburn and LSU? Makes no sense.

Alabama gave up 44 to Auburn. TCU gave up 61 to Baylor. Oregon gave up 41 to Cal. FSU gave up 41 to NCSU. Everyone has given up points at some time. And often to lot lesser teams than Oregon and Ohio St.

Mississippi St. has struggled against most of their schedule. Their road wins are LSU by 5, Kentucky by 14 and S. Alabama by 32. A&M, Auburn & Arkansas were at home. When you really look at their schedule now, you can see that they were overrated based on their earlier opponents not being as good as expected.

Yes, MSST was overrated at #1 (!!!) but that doesn't meant they aren't underrated at #10. They surely deserve to be ranked ahead of Michigan State. They have better wins (Auburn, LSU versus who for Michigan State?) AND they have losses that are at least as good as Michigan State (5 points and 14 points versus #1 and #12, both on the road; versus 19 points and 12 points versus #2 and #4, one at home one on road).

As I've said, I disagree on the losses as Mississippi St. got thoroughly whipped despite being closer on the score. Look at the box scores on those games. I also think Michigan St. looks far superior on the 8 wins other than Auburn/LSU and Nebraska/Maryland.

I also happen to think Oregon is better than Alabama.

(12-03-2014 06:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 05:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  True, but they played #2 and #5 close, leading much of the Oregon game at Oregon, and other than Nebraska have dominated everyone else they played. They won at Purdue 45-31, at Maryland 37-15 and have won every other game by at least 24.

They did? MSU lost by TWELVE at home versus #5, giving up 39 points and 568 yards in offense. And none of the points were garbage time.

They lost by 19 versus Oregon ... enough said.

They barely beat unranked Nebraska at home, and they didn't even play Wisconsin.

They have zero quality wins. They are almost surely overrated.

I mean, how on earth are they ranked ahead of Mississippi State, who lost to #1 by 5 points on the road, and has wins against two ranked teams, Auburn and LSU? Makes no sense.

Alabama gave up 44 to Auburn. TCU gave up 61 to Baylor. Oregon gave up 41 to Cal. FSU gave up 41 to NCSU. Everyone has given up points at some time. And often to lot lesser teams than Oregon and Ohio St.

Mississippi St. has struggled against most of their schedule. Their road wins are LSU by 5, Kentucky by 14 and S. Alabama by 32. A&M, Auburn & Arkansas were at home. When you really look at their schedule now, you can see that they were overrated based on their earlier opponents not being as good as expected.

Yes, MSST was overrated at #1 (!!!) but that doesn't meant they aren't underrated at #10. They surely deserve to be ranked ahead of Michigan State. They have better wins (Auburn, LSU versus who for Michigan State?) AND they have losses that are at least as good as Michigan State (5 points and 14 points versus #1 and #12, both on the road; versus 19 points and 12 points versus #2 and #4, one at home one on road).

As I've said, I disagree on the losses as Mississippi St. got thoroughly whipped despite being closer on the score. Look at the box scores on those games. I also think Michigan St. looks far superior on the 8 wins other than Auburn/LSU and Nebraska/Maryland.

I also happen to think Oregon is better than Alabama.

who gives a rip on the patsies. Michigan St has won NO good games this year. NONE. You can't just say they look so good on the other wins and act like the 2 quality wins don't matter. They should matter.

I wouldn't be shocked if when the committee looks like it again this week that this flips.

(12-03-2014 07:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 06:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 05:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  They did? MSU lost by TWELVE at home versus #5, giving up 39 points and 568 yards in offense. And none of the points were garbage time.

They lost by 19 versus Oregon ... enough said.

They barely beat unranked Nebraska at home, and they didn't even play Wisconsin.

They have zero quality wins. They are almost surely overrated.

I mean, how on earth are they ranked ahead of Mississippi State, who lost to #1 by 5 points on the road, and has wins against two ranked teams, Auburn and LSU? Makes no sense.

Alabama gave up 44 to Auburn. TCU gave up 61 to Baylor. Oregon gave up 41 to Cal. FSU gave up 41 to NCSU. Everyone has given up points at some time. And often to lot lesser teams than Oregon and Ohio St.

Mississippi St. has struggled against most of their schedule. Their road wins are LSU by 5, Kentucky by 14 and S. Alabama by 32. A&M, Auburn & Arkansas were at home. When you really look at their schedule now, you can see that they were overrated based on their earlier opponents not being as good as expected.

Yes, MSST was overrated at #1 (!!!) but that doesn't meant they aren't underrated at #10. They surely deserve to be ranked ahead of Michigan State. They have better wins (Auburn, LSU versus who for Michigan State?) AND they have losses that are at least as good as Michigan State (5 points and 14 points versus #1 and #12, both on the road; versus 19 points and 12 points versus #2 and #4, one at home one on road).

As I've said, I disagree on the losses as Mississippi St. got thoroughly whipped despite being closer on the score. Look at the box scores on those games. I also think Michigan St. looks far superior on the 8 wins other than Auburn/LSU and Nebraska/Maryland.

I also happen to think Oregon is better than Alabama.

who gives a rip on the patsies. Michigan St has won NO good games this year. NONE. You can't just say they look so good on the other wins and act like the 2 quality wins don't matter. They should matter.

I wouldn't be shocked if when the committee looks like it again this week that this flips.

You play 12 games. All 12 should matter. Mississippi St. BTW has a really, really weak ooc.

(12-03-2014 07:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 07:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 06:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 05:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:17 AM)bullet Wrote:  Alabama gave up 44 to Auburn. TCU gave up 61 to Baylor. Oregon gave up 41 to Cal. FSU gave up 41 to NCSU. Everyone has given up points at some time. And often to lot lesser teams than Oregon and Ohio St.

Mississippi St. has struggled against most of their schedule. Their road wins are LSU by 5, Kentucky by 14 and S. Alabama by 32. A&M, Auburn & Arkansas were at home. When you really look at their schedule now, you can see that they were overrated based on their earlier opponents not being as good as expected.

Yes, MSST was overrated at #1 (!!!) but that doesn't meant they aren't underrated at #10. They surely deserve to be ranked ahead of Michigan State. They have better wins (Auburn, LSU versus who for Michigan State?) AND they have losses that are at least as good as Michigan State (5 points and 14 points versus #1 and #12, both on the road; versus 19 points and 12 points versus #2 and #4, one at home one on road).

As I've said, I disagree on the losses as Mississippi St. got thoroughly whipped despite being closer on the score. Look at the box scores on those games. I also think Michigan St. looks far superior on the 8 wins other than Auburn/LSU and Nebraska/Maryland.

I also happen to think Oregon is better than Alabama.

who gives a rip on the patsies. Michigan St has won NO good games this year. NONE. You can't just say they look so good on the other wins and act like the 2 quality wins don't matter. They should matter.

I wouldn't be shocked if when the committee looks like it again this week that this flips.

You play 12 games. All 12 should matter. Mississippi St. BTW has a really, really weak ooc.

and Michigan St has a really, really weak conference schedule. which counts double the OOC schedule.

As I posted in another thread:

I like Michigan State and their coach a lot, but objectively speaking they should not be in any big bowl game this year.

They have only have three wins over above .500 FBS school. (Maryland (only one decent win (Iowa), Rutgers (pounded into the dust by every good BIG 10 team they played) and Nebraska in a home game they almost gagged away.)They lost to Ohio State at home.

Similar to Penn State, Michigan State had a pretty easy BIG 10 schedule set up and they blew it.

Of course, they could pull off a big win and depending on the opponent, I will most likely rooting for them to do just that!