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(10-09-2014 07:16 AM)ccbengal Wrote:  A couple of things (although I only viewed the panorama so not sure I'm getting the full perspective)...I don't care for the office building appearance in stadiums, here the structure in the end zone and the press box/suite area...wherever possible/practical use brick in Virginia please...also, as other have alluded to, the stands seem kind of flat-ish (Norfolk St)...I would rather have something steeper that gets the fans on top of the field and holds in the sound (mini-Seattle)...anyway, my two cent...

A mini Seattle would be a good stadium build since land is limited, my concern though would be that a stadium that builds 'up' will be very difficult to expand.

We're probably going to have expansion issues anyway since the ground is so soft over there. A university report done years ago shed light on the issue and how Whitehurst Dormitory was living on borrowed time. Yes, Whitehurst has been there for decades, but football fields generally have the same shelf-lives, possibly longer in some cases, than dormitories.

To minimize sinking, I'd expect them to maximize land area; giving it the spread-out NSU look. The weight of the materials would also come into play. I expect less bricks and more aluminum than I care to see; giving it the NSU look. The ground where Powhatan Dorms are now will more than likely be used for the support building (maybe a parking garage?) as it's slightly more solid than the Whitehurst ground; given the proximity to the river.

Given the issues, I'm confident the university will select the best candidate to tackle such a task. Tackle, see what I did there?

Like others I'm confident that it will be built to a high standard like the Ted, still the second best medium sized arena in the country.

http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=209704297

(10-08-2014 05:55 PM)Friar Tuck 4400 Wrote:  Just so long as they take the time to do it right. I know we are up against a 2018 deadline; but that is still four years to plan, draw, test and get it right.

Since they did it right with the Ted, I feel they will get it right with the new stadium.

I agree completely with you Tuck. Looking at others stadiums and critiquing them to take the best of ideas is impotent. That and the expandability for the future.

(10-09-2014 11:08 AM)Oduniceguy Wrote:  We're probably going to have expansion issues anyway since the ground is so soft over there. A university report done years ago shed light on the issue and how Whitehurst Dormitory was living on borrowed time. Yes, Whitehurst has been there for decades, but football fields generally have the same shelf-lives, possibly longer in some cases, than dormitories.

To minimize sinking, I'd expect them to maximize land area; giving it the spread-out NSU look. The weight of the materials would also come into play. I expect less bricks and more aluminum than I care to see; giving it the NSU look. The ground where Powhatan Dorms are now will more than likely be used for the support building (maybe a parking garage?) as it's slightly more solid than the Whitehurst ground; given the proximity to the river.

Given the issues, I'm confident the university will select the best candidate to tackle such a task. Tackle, see what I did there?

WOW, a major concern!

(10-09-2014 11:08 AM)Oduniceguy Wrote:  We're probably going to have expansion issues anyway since the ground is so soft over there. A university report done years ago shed light on the issue and how Whitehurst Dormitory was living on borrowed time. Yes, Whitehurst has been there for decades, but football fields generally have the same shelf-lives, possibly longer in some cases, than dormitories.

To minimize sinking, I'd expect them to maximize land area; giving it the spread-out NSU look. The weight of the materials would also come into play. I expect less bricks and more aluminum than I care to see; giving it the NSU look. The ground where Powhatan Dorms are now will more than likely be used for the support building (maybe a parking garage?) as it's slightly more solid than the Whitehurst ground; given the proximity to the river.

Given the issues, I'm confident the university will select the best candidate to tackle such a task. Tackle, see what I did there?

I wonder if any special provisions were made for Harbour Park? It seems to be a fairly normal design. Of course, our new football stadium will likely be twice to three times as many seats...

Bulkheads & pile drivers will solve all problems!!!

(10-10-2014 09:28 PM)odusteeler Wrote:  Bulkheads & pile drivers will solve all problems!!!

Right. They only need to determine the depth to which they need to drive the piles in order to provide a firm foundation. Going vertical, if necessary shouldn't be a problem. Most of downtown Norfolk is reclaimed swamps which were filled in, they don't have a problem building vertical there.

But they do have major concerns with flooding!



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(10-10-2014 11:31 PM)Big Blue Crazy Wrote:  But they do have major concerns with flooding!



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I've been to UCFs new 50K stadium several times since I live in Lakeland and my brother went to UCF. Its steel beam skeletal structure and aluminum decking. The only thing I don’t like about the stadium is that it shakes when the fans jump up & down. I have to wonder the long term effects of the angulating movement on stadium parts.

Floating stadium?

(10-10-2014 11:31 PM)Big Blue Crazy Wrote:  But they do have major concerns with flooding!



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Where? Downtown? I have never seen downtown flood. This is not a concern. We live in the modern world. Manhattan is built on swamp and landfill. Obviously, if they chose the river side location, the stability of the land isn't an issue. Do you seriously think they just pointed to a spot on a map to choose the location, without knowing whether or not it could support the proposed structure?

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(10-11-2014 10:10 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:31 PM)Big Blue Crazy Wrote:  But they do have major concerns with flooding!



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Where? Downtown? I have never seen downtown flood. This is not a concern. We live in the modern world. Manhattan is built on swamp and landfill. Obviously, if they chose the river side location, the stability of the land isn't an issue. Do you seriously think they just pointed to a spot on a map to choose the location, without knowing whether or not it could support the proposed structure?

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I have seen downtown flood many, many times. Hurricane Ida in 2009 for example.

Downtown Norfolk can flood in two ways; from heavy rains overwhelming storm drains and from the rising waters of Hampton Roads.

As I understand it, no relevant soil borings have yet been done at Powhatan.

(10-11-2014 10:26 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 10:10 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:31 PM)Big Blue Crazy Wrote:  But they do have major concerns with flooding!



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Where? Downtown? I have never seen downtown flood. This is not a concern. We live in the modern world. Manhattan is built on swamp and landfill. Obviously, if they chose the river side location, the stability of the land isn't an issue. Do you seriously think they just pointed to a spot on a map to choose the location, without knowing whether or not it could support the proposed structure?

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I have seen downtown flood many, many times. Hurricane Ida in 2009 for example.

Downtown Norfolk can flood in two ways; from heavy rains overwhelming storm drains and from the rising waters of Hampton Roads.

As I understand it, no relevant soil borings have yet been done at Powhatan.

To all you other guys worried about soft fill and a heavy structure built on top of it... Wikipedia is your friend!
(sorry, I studied Mechanical Engineering and spend my time worried about designs that are in motion. LOL)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_foundation

(10-11-2014 05:37 PM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 10:26 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-11-2014 10:10 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:31 PM)Big Blue Crazy Wrote:  But they do have major concerns with flooding!



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Where? Downtown? I have never seen downtown flood. This is not a concern. We live in the modern world. Manhattan is built on swamp and landfill. Obviously, if they chose the river side location, the stability of the land isn't an issue. Do you seriously think they just pointed to a spot on a map to choose the location, without knowing whether or not it could support the proposed structure?

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I have seen downtown flood many, many times. Hurricane Ida in 2009 for example.

Downtown Norfolk can flood in two ways; from heavy rains overwhelming storm drains and from the rising waters of Hampton Roads.

As I understand it, no relevant soil borings have yet been done at Powhatan.

for us non-engineers, what do soil borings tell you? If you drive a piling into the ground that close to water, is there a chance the earth below will be to soft to hold a piling and keep it from sinking once a structure is built on it?

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=217899

Heavy rain + high tide = downtown flooding. Everytime. All the time.

I think you are confusing Ghent/ The Hague with downtown. I have lived downtown for years (where the tall buildings that we are actually discussing are) and have never seen any significant flooding.

When an area has periodic flooding the problem is not so much that the water comes in as it is that the water has a difficult time finding it's way back to it's usual place. Along with providing the new ODU stadium a secure footing, the other challenge will be to provide that area with proper drainage. I just saw a story about how Miami Beach FL is now using powerful pumps to overcome their annual problem with flooding during the King Tides. They had success this year in overcoming the problems usually presented by this tide by the use of the new pump and drainage system. Perhaps a system of built-in pumps along with a system to carry the water away from the area during times of flooding is a possible solution which could be.explored by ODU.