Rodriguez could have played a defense the coordinator new year one.
He could have ran the previous years offense like Hoke did.
Anyone could see Mallet was a player. He should have at least attempted to keep him he didn't.

Hoke at least worked with what he had year one.
I give him credit for that and Mattison for fixing the defense.
Hoke's worst year is equal to Rich Rod's best.

The bigger mistake was hiring Rodriguez.
Shiano or almost any of the candidates at the time would have been better.

The spread option is fine but those teams are usually inconsistent. Winning big when it is clicking. Losing to an average team when its off. The defense doesn't get a break due to the tempo. I still don't understand why you can't run a combination of both. Penn State did with some old coaches.

(10-09-2014 03:51 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:36 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 09:22 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 06:13 AM)MJG Wrote:  The cupboard was bare?
They won their bowl game the last game before Rodriguez.
An NFL QB was on the roster.

Who? The guy that transferred to Arkansas? Sorry you can't count him, he left immediately. I remember the Michigan QB's being terrible Rich Rod's first year until he got Robinson in.

yeah, lets not give RR crap for not retaining mallet. I mean come on guys seriously?

Mallet left because Rich Rod was going to run the spread.
He would not promise Mallet that he would run a pro style offense. The terrible QBs that were left were not recruited to run the spread. That is partially why they struggled.

TBH mallet was most likely gone regardless of RR's promises. a big part of RRs philosophy is that when transitioning from pro to spread it is better to go all in rather than half & half.

(10-09-2014 04:10 PM)MJG Wrote:  Rodriguez could have played a defense the coordinator new year one.
He could have ran the previous years offense like Hoke did.
Anyone could see Mallet was a player. He should have at least attempted to keep him he didn't.

Hoke at least worked with what he had year one.
I give him credit for that and Mattison for fixing the defense.
Hoke's worst year is equal to Rich Rod's best.

The bigger mistake was hiring Rodriguez.
Shiano or almost any of the candidates at the time would have been better.

The spread option is fine but those teams are usually inconsistent. Winning big when it is clicking. Losing to an average team when its off. The defense doesn't get a break due to the tempo. I still don't understand why you can't run a combination of both. Penn State did with some old coaches.

had UM done a better job in landing Jeff Casteel at defensive coordinator who is RR's go to guy on defense we never would have had that problem in the first place.

That was by far the biggest mistake and correct me if I am wrong but I think g-rob was UMs pick not RR.

but the point is, taking an offensive minded coach and leaving him him hung to dry on defense like that was a recipe for failure. RR's success is dependent on Casteel. it's all or nothing with those two. The best defensive coordinator could not have saved RR because he runs/recruits a very unusual 3-3-5 defense that only a handfull of FBS DC's can truly coach

It is obvious you are a Rich Rod fan and that is why you are hating Michigan. The head coach usually hires his staff why didn't he hire Casteel?

Have you ever held hand with Rodriguez and listened to a Josh Grobin song ?

He likes to draw inspiration from sappy songs and play them at alumni dinners.

(10-10-2014 03:20 PM)MJG Wrote:  It is obvious you are a Rich Rod fan and that is why you are hating Michigan. The head coach usually hires his staff why didn't he hire Casteel?

Have you ever held hand with Rodriguez and listened to a Josh Grobin song ?

He likes to draw inspiration from sappy songs and play them at alumni dinners.

you do realize that you are talking to the guy who stated in this thread that rich rod is just a generally unlikeable person because of his personality right...

i think I it's pretty obvious that I am critical of RR in some areas. and don't call me a michigan hater you dummy. I am just not a blind to the issues at play and thinks Michigan can do no wrong.

Casteel was actually on his way to UM with RR, but UM gave him a pretty bad contract and WVU retained him with an offer that was just 20K higher.

Rich rods mistakes

1. Playing his system regardless of player fit.
2. Having a defensive coordinator run a system he didn't know.
3. Ending a streak of 42 years without a losing season.
4. Never beating OSU or MSU .
5. Being a pansy ass and crying and holding hands embarrassing fans.
6. Having a terrible kicker inconsistent offense and terrible defense year three.

The Michigan man crap is ESPN spin to make a story.
Bo didn't let Freider quit and coach in the tournament.
Beiline or Tommy Amaker had no ties.

(10-10-2014 03:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 03:20 PM)MJG Wrote:  It is obvious you are a Rich Rod fan and that is why you are hating Michigan. The head coach usually hires his staff why didn't he hire Casteel?

Have you ever held hand with Rodriguez and listened to a Josh Grobin song ?

He likes to draw inspiration from sappy songs and play them at alumni dinners.

you do realize that you are talking to the guy who stated in this thread that rich rod is just a generally unlikeable person because of his personality right...

i think I it's pretty obvious that I am critical of RR in some areas. and don't call me a michigan hater you dummy. I am just not a blind to the issues at play and thinks Michigan can do no wrong.

Casteel was actually on his way to UM with RR, but UM gave him a pretty bad contract and WVU retained him with an offer that was just 20K higher.

Rodriguez couldn't talk his boy into coming with that little of a difference. He could have been one of the highest paid assistants if he made it work . Coaching at Michigan if successful would have led to better opportunities.

(10-10-2014 09:40 PM)MJG Wrote:  Rich rods mistakes

1. Playing his system regardless of player fit.
2. Having a defensive coordinator run a system he didn't know.
3. Ending a streak of 42 years without a losing season.
4. Never beating OSU or MSU .
5. Being a pansy ass and crying and holding hands embarrassing fans.
6. Having a terrible kicker inconsistent offense and terrible defense year three.

The Michigan man crap is ESPN spin to make a story.
Bo didn't let Freider quit and coach in the tournament.
Beiline or Tommy Amaker had no ties.

the michigan man "crap" comes from a book done by a well respected reporter who had unlimited access to the UM football program for his entire tenure. and verified by the UM AD himself when hoke was hired

(10-10-2014 09:45 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 03:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 03:20 PM)MJG Wrote:  It is obvious you are a Rich Rod fan and that is why you are hating Michigan. The head coach usually hires his staff why didn't he hire Casteel?

Have you ever held hand with Rodriguez and listened to a Josh Grobin song ?

He likes to draw inspiration from sappy songs and play them at alumni dinners.

you do realize that you are talking to the guy who stated in this thread that rich rod is just a generally unlikeable person because of his personality right...

i think I it's pretty obvious that I am critical of RR in some areas. and don't call me a michigan hater you dummy. I am just not a blind to the issues at play and thinks Michigan can do no wrong.

Casteel was actually on his way to UM with RR, but UM gave him a pretty bad contract and WVU retained him with an offer that was just 20K higher.

Rodriguez couldn't talk his boy into coming with that little of a difference. He could have been one of the highest paid assistants if he made it work . Coaching at Michigan if successful would have led to better opportunities.

here's the crazy part, he was already in the process of coming to UM when that offer was made. it was 20K plus a guaranteed contract (which UM wouldn't give. are you really gonna say it's not UMs fault that they let a terrific DC go on a contract $$$ difference that was chump change for them?

Did they get the opportunity to counter the WVU offer?
Rich Rod can coach he just made a series of bad decisions and it snowballed. Belicheck was fired in Cleveland it happens.
Giving him a pass is not necessary or deserved.

Michigan has a better record in three years under Hoke than RR.
Rodriguez had a much worse record than Carrs last three years.
I think it is obvious if Hoke would have taken over for Carr this mostly bad six year run doesn't happen.

Rich Rod was fired one year too soon. Switching to what he wants to do takes time, and he had to basically reshape the entire roster and completely change the entire philosophy of the way they play football. He had finally done it and then he got fired, and Hoke got the credit for winning 10 games in his first year with the roster Rich Rod built. He's a great coach. What he did at WVU and what he's doing at Arizona shows it.

(10-11-2014 08:32 AM)MJG Wrote:  Did they get the opportunity to counter the WVU offer?
Rich Rod can coach he just made a series of bad decisions and it snowballed. Belicheck was fired in Cleveland it happens.
Giving him a pass is not necessary or deserved.

Michigan has a better record in three years under Hoke than RR.
Rodriguez had a much worse record than Carrs last three years.
I think it is obvious if Hoke would have taken over for Carr this mostly bad six year run doesn't happen.

yeah they had the opportunity to keep him. he WANTED to follow RR and come to UM.

the RR situation was nothing like BB/browns

(10-11-2014 08:40 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Rich Rod was fired one year too soon. Switching to what he wants to do takes time, and he had to basically reshape the entire roster and completely change the entire philosophy of the way they play football. He had finally done it and then he got fired, and Hoke got the credit for winning 10 games in his first year with the roster Rich Rod built. He's a great coach. What he did at WVU and what he's doing at Arizona shows it.

i agree with the concept, however I disagree your notion that UM was wrong in firing. he clearly had lost support from the administration and his players. it was time to part ways. IMO the only way he ever could of had success was that if he have had the full support of UM from day one. that never happened making his tenure DOA.

RR record without Michigan
82-36

RR Record with Casteel as DC
54-15

the stats speak for themselves