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Didn't spike the ball at the 10 down 1. They ran a play and didn't score? Wtf?

They must like to gift wins to winless teams.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm glad we don't have UMass on the schedule this year. They are dangerous this year (if they don't beat themselves).

UMASS has no confidence in their kicking game. Miami came back from being down 41-14 and the Minutemen fell apart that last few seconds but they both played exciting football. That last minute was wild.

Good game to watch, both sides were making plays. Their new coaches are making an immediate impact, I think both will be in very dangerous to play the rest of the year.

(10-05-2014 09:28 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Their new coaches are making an immediate impact

Yeah, those coaches are sure making an "immediate impact."

Combined 1-11 record, one loss to an FCS school, and one lone win against UMass.

Sound familiar?

(10-05-2014 10:20 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 09:28 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Their new coaches are making an immediate impact

Yeah, those coaches are sure making an "immediate impact."

Combined 1-11 record, one loss to an FCS school, and one lone win against UMass.

Sound familiar?

I think the difference is that they both took over programs that hadn't won a game in the previous year, and immediately have them competing right out of the gate. Whereas we had four including a BCS win the year before our coaching change. Plus, we really didn't compete early in the season after the MSU game in our first season, so yeah, comparatively speaking, they're making a more immediate impact as first year coaches.

Don't you think that's good for them? They're both much further along than we'd be led to expect this year, taking winless teams like that and having them play competitive football five games into the season. UMASS took Vandy and Colorado down to the wire already, Miami played a couple of games tough including Cinci and got the win against UMASS.

They don't have the injury and depth issues we had last year, nor did they have the complete philosophical overhaul like we did.

They also haven't proven to recruit as well as Fleck has yet, nor are they showing results in the win column yet.

I'd take our current situation over either of those programs until I have a good reason to believe otherwise.

(10-05-2014 10:32 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  They don't have the injury and depth issues we had last year, nor did they have the complete philosophical overhaul like we did.

They also haven't proven to recruit as well as Fleck has yet, nor are they showing results in the win column yet.

I'd take our current situation over either of those programs until I have a good reason to believe otherwise.

It's really not apples to apples now is it, those guys inherited terrible programs with zero wins in the previous year and are in their first year.

Why is my saying those coaches are doing a good job in their first year getting you comparing our second year guy to them?

Quote:nor did they have the complete philosophical overhaul like we did.

How so? Both were winless. You saying they stuck with their program?

LOL. Wow. The circular logic of criticizing PJ and praising Martin for almost mirror image first seasons is just fun to watch.

(10-05-2014 10:38 AM)ghost bronco Wrote:  LOL. Wow. The circular logic of criticizing PJ and praising Martin for almost mirror image first seasons is just fun to watch.

Explain how they're mirror images. From start to the current state. This should be interesting. I'll wait.

You expect anyone to answer your questions while you shirk and slither around looking to argue about anything and everything. Thats quite rich.

I'll be a sport though. They both inherited bad programs with listless fan bases and had a win against a bad UMass team on a last second questionable call from the UMass coach. Of course they aren't identical, thats not possible. But the similarities are hard to miss and your inverse response to them is over the top and revealing of your over the top ban worthy chirping about this program.

(10-05-2014 10:35 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Why is my saying those coaches are doing a good job in their first year getting you comparing our second year guy to them?

Because you're so obviously trolling in an attempt to belittle our coach (again).

Look, I think eventually Chuck Martin WILL turn around Miami's program for the better. In fact, I'd be very surprised if he didn't. He's a good coach with somewhat of a proven track record

I knew very little about Mark Whipple. IMO he has done more to turn heads than Chuck Martin so far. Having seen how competitive they've been, I think Whipple is going to be a good hire for UMass as well.

That being said, Whipple, Martin, and Fleck are all going to have tough first years. Turning around a program takes time. I think we are right on track (arguably slightly ahead) of where we should be in year two.

Similar to Whipple, we knew very little about Fleck coming into this whole thing and it was said time and time again that he "had no experience". Last year, he proved he could recruit. This year, he is starting to show that he can coach and game plan.

It's just a little sickening to me that you'll immediately hop on the Martin/Whipple bandwagons to support your agenda-driven rants. Meanwhile, our coach is actually beginning to show some results.

Those guys that are a combined 1-11 are really showing results, though!

(10-05-2014 10:46 AM)ghost bronco Wrote:  You expect anyone to answer your questions while you shirk and slither around looking to argue about anything and everything. Thats quite rich.

I'll be a sport though. They both inherited bad programs with listless fan bases and had a win against a bad UMass team on a last second questionable call from the UMass coach. Of course they aren't identical, thats not possible. But the similarities are hard to miss and your inverse response to them is over the top and revealing of your over the top ban worthy chirping about this program.

UMASS and Miami's were nearly identical. Winless. So yeah, it's possible. That's just it, we weren't similar to them as you'd lead us to believe on this board.

We had four wins the year before and were mad to have lost some competitive games in November. Neither of those schools were competitive at all the year before their coaching change.

Yet, they found a way to come out, work on their issues, and improve every game and compete. UMASS has competed with BCS programs and I think they will win before the season is up, and Miami has and will again as well. In their first year, which if you believe what you read around here, isn't possible.

Those two coaches are illustrating otherwise.

(10-05-2014 10:50 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:35 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Why is my saying those coaches are doing a good job in their first year getting you comparing our second year guy to them?

Because you're so obviously trolling in an attempt to belittle our coach (again).

Look, I think eventually Chuck Martin WILL turn around Miami's program for the better. In fact, I'd be very surprised if he didn't. He's a good coach with somewhat of a proven track record

I knew very little about Mark Whipple. IMO he has done more to turn heads than Chuck Martin so far. Having seen how competitive they've been, I think Whipple is going to be a good hire for UMass as well.

That being said, Whipple, Martin, and Fleck are all going to have tough first years. Turning around a program takes time. I think we are right on track (arguably slightly ahead) of where we should be in year two.

Similar to Whipple, we knew very little about Fleck coming into this whole thing and it was said time and time again that he "had no experience". Last year, he proved he could recruit. This year, he is starting to show that he can coach and game plan.

It's just a little sickening to me that you'll immediately hop on the Martin/Whipple bandwagons to support your agenda-driven rants. Meanwhile, our coach is actually beginning to show some results.

Those guys that are a combined 1-11 are really showing results, though!

Martin has them competing early, after being winless in the prior year, so does UMASS's coach. I like their upside.

(10-05-2014 09:28 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  UMASS has no confidence in their kicking game. Miami came back from being down 41-14 and the Minutemen fell apart that last few seconds but they both played exciting football. That last minute was wild.

Good game to watch, both sides were making plays. Their new coaches are making an immediate impact, I think both will be in very dangerous to play the rest of the year.

Toilet bowl game between two teams that couldn't stop granny in a wheelchair. But yeah, Chuck Martin......He's no different than Treadwell. Just another P5 coattail rider who can't get it done on his own.

(10-05-2014 10:59 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:50 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:35 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Why is my saying those coaches are doing a good job in their first year getting you comparing our second year guy to them?

Because you're so obviously trolling in an attempt to belittle our coach (again).

Look, I think eventually Chuck Martin WILL turn around Miami's program for the better. In fact, I'd be very surprised if he didn't. He's a good coach with somewhat of a proven track record

I knew very little about Mark Whipple. IMO he has done more to turn heads than Chuck Martin so far. Having seen how competitive they've been, I think Whipple is going to be a good hire for UMass as well.

That being said, Whipple, Martin, and Fleck are all going to have tough first years. Turning around a program takes time. I think we are right on track (arguably slightly ahead) of where we should be in year two.

Similar to Whipple, we knew very little about Fleck coming into this whole thing and it was said time and time again that he "had no experience". Last year, he proved he could recruit. This year, he is starting to show that he can coach and game plan.

It's just a little sickening to me that you'll immediately hop on the Martin/Whipple bandwagons to support your agenda-driven rants. Meanwhile, our coach is actually beginning to show some results.

Those guys that are a combined 1-11 are really showing results, though!

Martin has them competing early, after being winless in the prior year, so does UMASS's coach. I like their upside.

Competing early? They were on their way to being 0-6 until the worst team in the MAC went wobbly and made a bonehead decision when the game was there for the taking.

(10-05-2014 04:00 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Competing early? They were on their way to being 0-6 until the worst team in the MAC went wobbly and made a bonehead decision when the game was there for the taking.

It's actually quite sickening the lengths at which DB will go to prop up an opposing 1-5 coach, against our own.

Talk about putting lipstick on a pig.

I can tell he's getting desperate now that things are beginning to look up. Heaven forbid, we start competing again.

So is Miami a lock?

Just found out that Miami broke the 21 game losing streak and now UMASS is tied for longest losing streak in the nation at 12 losses in a row. I guess there was something to play for in that game.

Quote:We had four wins the year before and were mad to have lost some competitive games in November.

quite the accomplishment, should have kept St. Bill around.