[quote='shampoo' pid='11178444' dateline='1411924087']
I don't see anything wrong with calling the facts - no sign of an arm on that field yesterday. It would have been exciting to see some more/better passing. It's a fair comment to hope that it's already there (but unseen at scrimmage), or that we will find it. We got to see Prevo's talent, so why none of the Qbs' ?

They look like a high school team without enough time together. Because that's what they essentially are 1 month into their first season together. Patience is a virtue.

I think the event was done well, but after my experience with some of the drunken students who did come out, I wish they had done more to organize/patrol with public safety. Not the football team's fault.

Back to patience and students - every day, every week, month, season into the future has to be spent actively recruiting student attendance. No time for patience there. Football is going to be a money suck like it was before, it just needs to be a "cue goosebumps" sort of money suck for more than just the estimated 3000 excited ETSU football fans and their significant others/families.

That attendance figure is promising, but as my father reminded me UT gets 20,000 fans easily for their intersquad scrimmages. I sure hope we can count on more than 3000 at the real games next year.
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UT gets 20,000 -- so what? Shall we compare the national defense budgets of the USA and Chile? UT this, UT that. Back on that UT stuff again on here is nauseating. Go to the UT boards and talk your UT talk there and enjoy yourself. This is Buc football at the FCS level, and there are many great and talented kids who play a nice and entertaining brand of ball at this level. And, my guess is that many more of these FCS students earn their degrees than FBS students.

I care nothing for UT. And I was supporting your statement about the Qb's. As soon as anyone catches whiff of possibly emerging potential lack of full-on ETSU football support, blue and gold flags start going up.

And this is not Buc football at the FCS level, not yet. But it will be very soon. It was a modest and nonetheless great event.

I hope it's not indicative of future attendance we can expect at real games, not a parallel at least. 3K won't do. But I will be one of those 3K, if that's it.

The reason I look to this event as an indicator of attendance is that it might reflect the actual community support. Inaugural event, more or less. I'm not comparing us to UT (because it will be years before that's even a hope), and I'm not going to compare us to US or Chile, but keep in mind the president enjoys the greatest support at inauguration.

The only thing that needs to be said about UT is that there are plenty of football fans in East Tennessee. Will they be ETSU fans, too? Good call on postponing gametime 1:01.

And the inauguration is Sept 3rd, 2015. We are going to do fine. The athletic department didn't even expect this many people. It was a scrimmage! Compare it to basketball. We get nowhere near normal attendance during the blue gold game.

(09-28-2014 03:35 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  And the inauguration is Sept 3rd, 2015. We are going to do fine. The athletic department didn't even expect this many people. It was a scrimmage! Compare it to basketball. We get nowhere near normal attendance during the blue gold game.

That's a fair point. My thoughts remain concerns, not verified issues. The only thing I'll say, is basketball has been around indefinitely, people stopped expecting much out of it, the events are very boring outside of the players (and only exciting to those of us who are in fact die hard fans).

Obviously, I'm not a diehard football fan. I showed up to JC a year or two before football was cut, 11 years of age. The games were medicore, the mini-dome was a bad place to watch. Now, excited as I am to see another large package of student opportunities available again through football, I will continue to listen to both sides of the fence in football's return. Those of you who are truly diehard for it, I'm glad you'll get to see it again. Those who aren't have the right to do as they wish and to voice complaint if their consumer demand is not met.

As far as a free event goes, good stuff. But for students, that's all they'll get this year for $250. Me included, grad student. Again, for those who hate nuance, I really hope football works out. And certain idiot students watch their language if they're going to drink illegally.

(09-28-2014 03:42 PM)shampoo Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:35 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  And the inauguration is Sept 3rd, 2015. We are going to do fine. The athletic department didn't even expect this many people. It was a scrimmage! Compare it to basketball. We get nowhere near normal attendance during the blue gold game.

That's a fair point. My thoughts remain concerns, not verified issues. The only thing I'll say, is basketball has been around indefinitely, people stopped expecting much out of it, the events are very boring outside of the players (and only exciting to those of us who are in fact die hard fans).

Obviously, I'm not a diehard football fan. I showed up to JC a year or two before football was cut, 11 years of age. The games were medicore, the mini-dome was a bad place to watch. Now, excited as I am to see another large package of student opportunities available again through football, I will continue to listen to both sides of the fence in football's return. Those of you who are truly diehard for it, I'm glad you'll get to see it again. Those who aren't have the right to do as they wish and to voice complaint if their consumer demand is not met.

As far as a free event goes, good stuff. But for students, that's all they'll get this year for $250. Me included, grad student. Again, for those who hate nuance, I really hope football works out. And certain idiot students watch their language if they're going to drink illegally.

Using your UT numbers, their game attendance is five times their scrimmage attendance. Using that as a guide for projected community support of ETSU game day, 15,000 would not be bad.

(09-28-2014 04:34 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:42 PM)shampoo Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:35 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  And the inauguration is Sept 3rd, 2015. We are going to do fine. The athletic department didn't even expect this many people. It was a scrimmage! Compare it to basketball. We get nowhere near normal attendance during the blue gold game.

That's a fair point. My thoughts remain concerns, not verified issues. The only thing I'll say, is basketball has been around indefinitely, people stopped expecting much out of it, the events are very boring outside of the players (and only exciting to those of us who are in fact die hard fans).

Obviously, I'm not a diehard football fan. I showed up to JC a year or two before football was cut, 11 years of age. The games were medicore, the mini-dome was a bad place to watch. Now, excited as I am to see another large package of student opportunities available again through football, I will continue to listen to both sides of the fence in football's return. Those of you who are truly diehard for it, I'm glad you'll get to see it again. Those who aren't have the right to do as they wish and to voice complaint if their consumer demand is not met.

As far as a free event goes, good stuff. But for students, that's all they'll get this year for $250. Me included, grad student. Again, for those who hate nuance, I really hope football works out. And certain idiot students watch their language if they're going to drink illegally.

Using your UT numbers, their game attendance is five times their scrimmage attendance. Using that as a guide for projected community support of ETSU game day, 15,000 would not be bad.

I'd drink to that!

(09-28-2014 04:34 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:42 PM)shampoo Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:35 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  And the inauguration is Sept 3rd, 2015. We are going to do fine. The athletic department didn't even expect this many people. It was a scrimmage! Compare it to basketball. We get nowhere near normal attendance during the blue gold game.

That's a fair point. My thoughts remain concerns, not verified issues. The only thing I'll say, is basketball has been around indefinitely, people stopped expecting much out of it, the events are very boring outside of the players (and only exciting to those of us who are in fact die hard fans).

Obviously, I'm not a diehard football fan. I showed up to JC a year or two before football was cut, 11 years of age. The games were medicore, the mini-dome was a bad place to watch. Now, excited as I am to see another large package of student opportunities available again through football, I will continue to listen to both sides of the fence in football's return. Those of you who are truly diehard for it, I'm glad you'll get to see it again. Those who aren't have the right to do as they wish and to voice complaint if their consumer demand is not met.

As far as a free event goes, good stuff. But for students, that's all they'll get this year for $250. Me included, grad student. Again, for those who hate nuance, I really hope football works out. And certain idiot students watch their language if they're going to drink illegally.

Using your UT numbers, their game attendance is five times their scrimmage attendance. Using that as a guide for projected community support of ETSU game day, 15,000 would not be bad.

Not sure where the 20,000 for a UT scrimmage comes from, the only fan scrimmage UT does is the Orange/White game which was 68,500 this year and over 61,000 last year. Which if you wanted to use your formulathat projection would be less then 5,000.

I was told a running back tore an ACL at the scrimmage yesterday.

(09-28-2014 05:27 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 04:34 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:42 PM)shampoo Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:35 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  And the inauguration is Sept 3rd, 2015. We are going to do fine. The athletic department didn't even expect this many people. It was a scrimmage! Compare it to basketball. We get nowhere near normal attendance during the blue gold game.

That's a fair point. My thoughts remain concerns, not verified issues. The only thing I'll say, is basketball has been around indefinitely, people stopped expecting much out of it, the events are very boring outside of the players (and only exciting to those of us who are in fact die hard fans).

Obviously, I'm not a diehard football fan. I showed up to JC a year or two before football was cut, 11 years of age. The games were medicore, the mini-dome was a bad place to watch. Now, excited as I am to see another large package of student opportunities available again through football, I will continue to listen to both sides of the fence in football's return. Those of you who are truly diehard for it, I'm glad you'll get to see it again. Those who aren't have the right to do as they wish and to voice complaint if their consumer demand is not met.

As far as a free event goes, good stuff. But for students, that's all they'll get this year for $250. Me included, grad student. Again, for those who hate nuance, I really hope football works out. And certain idiot students watch their language if they're going to drink illegally.

Using your UT numbers, their game attendance is five times their scrimmage attendance. Using that as a guide for projected community support of ETSU game day, 15,000 would not be bad.

Not sure where the 20,000 for a UT scrimmage comes from, the only fan scrimmage UT does is the Orange/White game which was 68,500 this year and over 61,000 last year. Which if you wanted to use your formulathat projection would be less then 5,000.

I don't keep up with UT, but 5,000 for ETSU attendance, especially at SHHS, is more like what I'd expect.

(09-28-2014 05:27 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 04:34 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:42 PM)shampoo Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:35 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  And the inauguration is Sept 3rd, 2015. We are going to do fine. The athletic department didn't even expect this many people. It was a scrimmage! Compare it to basketball. We get nowhere near normal attendance during the blue gold game.

That's a fair point. My thoughts remain concerns, not verified issues. The only thing I'll say, is basketball has been around indefinitely, people stopped expecting much out of it, the events are very boring outside of the players (and only exciting to those of us who are in fact die hard fans).

Obviously, I'm not a diehard football fan. I showed up to JC a year or two before football was cut, 11 years of age. The games were medicore, the mini-dome was a bad place to watch. Now, excited as I am to see another large package of student opportunities available again through football, I will continue to listen to both sides of the fence in football's return. Those of you who are truly diehard for it, I'm glad you'll get to see it again. Those who aren't have the right to do as they wish and to voice complaint if their consumer demand is not met.

As far as a free event goes, good stuff. But for students, that's all they'll get this year for $250. Me included, grad student. Again, for those who hate nuance, I really hope football works out. And certain idiot students watch their language if they're going to drink illegally.

Using your UT numbers, their game attendance is five times their scrimmage attendance. Using that as a guide for projected community support of ETSU game day, 15,000 would not be bad.

Not sure where the 20,000 for a UT scrimmage comes from, the only fan scrimmage UT does is the Orange/White game which was 68,500 this year and over 61,000 last year. Which if you wanted to use your formulathat projection would be less then 5,000.

20,000 comes from Shampoo's dad. If those numbers are wrong, then don't plug your numbers into my formula to project a negative where none was ever intended.

20,000 was an "easy" number, i.e., UT draws at least 20,000 easy for their scrimmages. It's probably the average attendance over the years, give or take 5K, if you look at their stats (which I did just now, they're available. Recent years are very high end of the curve). But for the sake of argument, if there is any real comparison, Rodshaw seems closest so far. 5,000 seems like a reasonable, conservative number for good attendance at a high school stadium. But it's all speculative, this whole thing.

(09-28-2014 05:27 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 04:34 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:42 PM)shampoo Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:35 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  And the inauguration is Sept 3rd, 2015. We are going to do fine. The athletic department didn't even expect this many people. It was a scrimmage! Compare it to basketball. We get nowhere near normal attendance during the blue gold game.

That's a fair point. My thoughts remain concerns, not verified issues. The only thing I'll say, is basketball has been around indefinitely, people stopped expecting much out of it, the events are very boring outside of the players (and only exciting to those of us who are in fact die hard fans).

Obviously, I'm not a diehard football fan. I showed up to JC a year or two before football was cut, 11 years of age. The games were medicore, the mini-dome was a bad place to watch. Now, excited as I am to see another large package of student opportunities available again through football, I will continue to listen to both sides of the fence in football's return. Those of you who are truly diehard for it, I'm glad you'll get to see it again. Those who aren't have the right to do as they wish and to voice complaint if their consumer demand is not met.

As far as a free event goes, good stuff. But for students, that's all they'll get this year for $250. Me included, grad student. Again, for those who hate nuance, I really hope football works out. And certain idiot students watch their language if they're going to drink illegally.

Using your UT numbers, their game attendance is five times their scrimmage attendance. Using that as a guide for projected community support of ETSU game day, 15,000 would not be bad.

Not sure where the 20,000 for a UT scrimmage comes from, the only fan scrimmage UT does is the Orange/White game which was 68,500 this year and over 61,000 last year. Which if you wanted to use your formulathat projection would be less then 5,000.

It was actually 40,000 for the August scrimmage which was different than the orange and white game (68K).

Vols' scrimmage draws 40,000 fans

For orange and white game, 1963-2009, avg attendance was 18,306. Recent years probably raise that towards the 20K +5K. That 40,000 figure, just for the hell of this haphazard reasoning, would give us some twisted upper limit to put our ETSU projected game attendance at 5,000-9,000. I think the high school stadium will put a little drag on the turnouts, but I would consider it a success to see 5K+ immediate and regular attendance for the new football team in 2015. When they start winning right away (for you diehards) I would love to see that new stadium filling up in 2017. We can call that their midterm election, if we want to try grasping at more political metaphors.

Buc66 and others, I do hate to keep looking at UT. But it's the surest sign that there are passionate football fans in East Tennessee that might be won over to a respectable, "winning the right way" sort of charming mountain team.

(09-28-2014 07:35 PM)shampoo Wrote:  For orange and white game, 1963-2009, avg attendance was 18,306. Recent years probably raise that towards the 20K +5K. That 40,000 figure, just for the hell of this haphazard reasoning, would give us some twisted upper limit to put our ETSU projected game attendance at 5,000-9,000. I think the high school stadium will put a little drag on the turnouts, but I would consider it a success to see 5K+ immediate and regular attendance for the new football team in 2015. When they start winning right away (for you diehards) I would love to see that new stadium filling up in 2017. We can call that their midterm election, if we want to try grasping at more political metaphors.

Buc66 and others, I do hate to keep looking at UT. But it's the surest sign that there are passionate football fans in East Tennessee that might be won over to a respectable, "winning the right way" sort of charming mountain team.

Absolutely! We are going to have an FCS team here in East Tennessee. It is going to be the best we can possible make it and we are going to win the right way. There is not use talking about what the fat cat schools have. They have tons of money and we do not. Period. That is why I back the Bucs!

(09-28-2014 08:03 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 07:35 PM)shampoo Wrote:  For orange and white game, 1963-2009, avg attendance was 18,306. Recent years probably raise that towards the 20K +5K. That 40,000 figure, just for the hell of this haphazard reasoning, would give us some twisted upper limit to put our ETSU projected game attendance at 5,000-9,000. I think the high school stadium will put a little drag on the turnouts, but I would consider it a success to see 5K+ immediate and regular attendance for the new football team in 2015. When they start winning right away (for you diehards) I would love to see that new stadium filling up in 2017. We can call that their midterm election, if we want to try grasping at more political metaphors.

Buc66 and others, I do hate to keep looking at UT. But it's the surest sign that there are passionate football fans in East Tennessee that might be won over to a respectable, "winning the right way" sort of charming mountain team.

Absolutely! We are going to have an FCS team here in East Tennessee. It is going to be the best we can possible make it and we are going to win the right way. There is not use talking about what the fat cat schools have. They have tons of money and we do not. Period. That is why I back the Bucs!

When the big five conferences start paying their players beyond the cost of attendance (which will keep increasing over time), then the distinction between college amateur football and college semi-pro football will be recognizable by even the most casual of college football fans. That's why I will like FCS style college ball even more and hope more folks join me. Yes, ETSU can build a nice fan base of people who are not caught up in the big time college bidding wars. Besides, I'll watch those guys on my wide screen any day over sitting in the clouds at one of their high ticket priced stadiums while looking for a live, up close experience at an ETSU vs Chattanooga game, for example, where I can actually park near by, tailgate if I choose, not have to walk five miles to the stadium, actually see the game, and exit the game minus a mob experience and massive traffic jams, et al.

I don't know, I think the buzz of football fills up Science Hill for the first year no problem. Winning is key after that. I truly believe this culture is different now. We hand ZERO tailgating at ETSU when we had football before. That lot was packed yesterday. There is a buzz around now and you can feel it. Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I really believe things will be different at least at first.

(09-28-2014 10:11 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  I don't know, I think the buzz of football fills up Science Hill for the first year no problem. Winning is key after that. I truly believe this culture is different now. We hand ZERO tailgating at ETSU when we had football before. That lot was packed yesterday. There is a buzz around now and you can feel it. Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I really believe things will be different at least at first.

Side note: how was it that tax money was used to help build the high school stadium and field house as well as provide for its upkeep and expenses, while, on the other hand, tax money is not supposed to be used for public college athletic facilities? With all the tax revenue that ETSU generates for the JC government, seems that ETSU would be using this facility as a sort of co-owner for these two years.

PE classes use the CITY OWNED kermit tipton stadium as well asvthe fieldhouse. Never forget, KTS is NOT OWNED by Science Hill.
Also, tax dollars can be used for athletic facilities so long as they have an academic purpose. ETSU has a facility like that. Its called the Minidome.

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(09-29-2014 12:15 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  PE classes use the CITY OWNED kermit tipton stadium as well asvthe fieldhouse. Never forget, KTS is NOT OWNED by Science Hill.
Also, tax dollars can be used for athletic facilities so long as they have an academic purpose. ETSU has a facility like that. Its called the Minidome.

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Not sure what the point of this post is, Science Hill is the city High School. The stadium was built for Science Hill on the Science Hill campus, the people who donated money for Fieldhouse were donating to Science Hill. Dave Chupa is in charge of it, Dave Chupa, Johnson City Schools facilities and instruction supervisor. It is Science Hill's Stadium and Fieldhouse. So again what was the point of the post as to who owns it?

(09-29-2014 06:50 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 12:15 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  PE classes use the CITY OWNED kermit tipton stadium as well asvthe fieldhouse. Never forget, KTS is NOT OWNED by Science Hill.
Also, tax dollars can be used for athletic facilities so long as they have an academic purpose. ETSU has a facility like that. Its called the Minidome.

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Not sure what the point of this post is, Science Hill is the city High School. The stadium was built for Science Hill on the Science Hill campus, the people who donated money for Fieldhouse were donating to Science Hill. Dave Chupa is in charge of it, Dave Chupa, Johnson City Schools facilities and instruction supervisor. It is Science Hill's Stadium and Fieldhouse. So again what was the point of the post as to who owns it?

Maybe the stadium being on city property means that tailgating can exist...