(09-24-2014 06:50 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 12:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  jerry palm is more and more an idiot quite frankly. the Big Ten/SEC champs can NOT be in the Orange Bowl... That's been stated oh about 1000 million times now.....

Also, please show on the website where it says that... because elsewhere on the site:
http://game.orangebowl.org/assets/1/7/Ro..._(web).pdf
During the eight years when the Orange Bowl does not host a semifinal it will feature the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) Champion, or if the champion is participating in the College Football Playoff the next highest ranked ACC school (selected by the CFP selection committee), against the highest ranked available school from either the Big Ten Conference, Southeastern Conference (SEC) or Notre Dame (as chosen by the CFP selection committee). The Big Ten and SEC will receive a minimum of three Orange Bowl appearances each during the eight games and Notre Dame
may make up to two appearances in the eight games.

There is ZERO flexibility in that. It's the highest ranked team. Not the Orange Bowl's pick. The important thing is it's the highest ranked available school and as chosen by the CFP selection committee. if LSU is 5 and Notre Dame is 6- LSU is going to the Orange Bowl, and there isn't a damn thing the Orange(or ACC) can do about it except cry like a baby...

http://events.orangebowl.org/-acc-and-or...t-partner/

There is the link. The year the sugar/rose combo hosts the playoffs the highest available big 10/sec team may be there champion so what palm says mak3 sense

I would say that the link I provided(which matches what everyone else has been saying)- is about a year more current than that link.

Also, I would say that the wording is more for later years, where they might have used up all the SEC appearances. At that point, it's not the highest ranked between SEC, Big Ten, and ND, it's the highest ranked Big Ten team.

i think they will use the rankings very heavily, but i believe they reserve the right to disregard them so long as everyone gets their contractual amount of appearances in. Therefore in practice, they will use the rankings 9 times out of 10 and we may never see any difference. The college football playoff website is clear that the Orange Bowl, not the selection committee, picks the teams for their bowl based upon its contractual agreements with the conferences and getting minimum appearances in the bowl. They reserve the right to disregard rankings to avoid a rematch, but I would be interested in seeing what other ways they can disregard the selection committee rankings.

(09-24-2014 08:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  i think they will use the rankings very heavily, but i believe they reserve the right to disregard them so long as everyone gets their contractual amount of appearances in. Therefore in practice, they will use the rankings 9 times out of 10 and we may never see any difference. The college football playoff website is clear that the Orange Bowl, not the selection committee, picks the teams for their bowl based upon its contractual agreements with the conferences and getting minimum appearances in the bowl. They reserve the right to disregard rankings to avoid a rematch, but I would be interested in seeing what other ways they can disregard the selection committee rankings.

And the Orange Bowl actual press release is crystal clear that it's the CFP ratings that determine the opponent. I think it's also pure folly to think that they would disregard the ratings this year- year 1 of the deal.

Also- just saw this:
http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/story?id=null
Both participants in the Orange, Rose and Sugar Bowls are contracted outside the playoff arrange­ment (Big Ten and Pac-12 to Rose Bowl; SEC and Big 12 to Sugar Bowl; ACC to Orange Bowl against the highest ranked available team from the SEC, Big Ten and Notre Dame). If a conference champion qualifies for the playoff, then the bowl will choose a replacement from that conference. When those bowls host the semifinals and their contracted conference champions do not qualify, then the dis­placed champion(s) will play in the other New Year’s bowls.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

i definitely believe there will be tremendous pressure to follow the rankings this year.

This whole thread is about nothing. The big #2, sec #2, and ND are guaranteed nothing if the orange bowl is hosting. The CFP contracts specifically only CHAMPIONS are guaranteed placement in another bowl if displaced. It is VERY clear. CRYSTAL clear. One ESPN article is wrong but there have been hundreds before that have been right.

The PAC/12 and Big 12 should have guaranteed a G5 matchup. Highest remaining PAC/Big 12 vs G5 are automatically matched up in one of the Access Bowls. They should have contracted it directly, probably in the Fiesta Bowl, but Jerry World could have worked as well. Generally you will have a MWC or AAC team in that slot and both locations are manageable for most of the schools in those regions, sans UConn. Sorry Huskie fans. But G5 made out like bandits compared to their relative standing, and Bowlsby and Scott got screwed. Too bad for them.

(09-24-2014 08:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 06:50 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 12:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  jerry palm is more and more an idiot quite frankly. the Big Ten/SEC champs can NOT be in the Orange Bowl... That's been stated oh about 1000 million times now.....

Also, please show on the website where it says that... because elsewhere on the site:
http://game.orangebowl.org/assets/1/7/Ro..._(web).pdf
During the eight years when the Orange Bowl does not host a semifinal it will feature the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) Champion, or if the champion is participating in the College Football Playoff the next highest ranked ACC school (selected by the CFP selection committee), against the highest ranked available school from either the Big Ten Conference, Southeastern Conference (SEC) or Notre Dame (as chosen by the CFP selection committee). The Big Ten and SEC will receive a minimum of three Orange Bowl appearances each during the eight games and Notre Dame
may make up to two appearances in the eight games.

There is ZERO flexibility in that. It's the highest ranked team. Not the Orange Bowl's pick. The important thing is it's the highest ranked available school and as chosen by the CFP selection committee. if LSU is 5 and Notre Dame is 6- LSU is going to the Orange Bowl, and there isn't a damn thing the Orange(or ACC) can do about it except cry like a baby...

http://events.orangebowl.org/-acc-and-or...t-partner/

There is the link. The year the sugar/rose combo hosts the playoffs the highest available big 10/sec team may be there champion so what palm says mak3 sense

I would say that the link I provided(which matches what everyone else has been saying)- is about a year more current than that link.

Also, I would say that the wording is more for later years, where they might have used up all the SEC appearances. At that point, it's not the highest ranked between SEC, Big Ten, and ND, it's the highest ranked Big Ten team.

Yes, if e.g. SEC teams get the Orange Bowl bid the first 5 years that the Orange is not a playoff bowl, then the next 3 years the bid goes automatically to the B1G.

(09-24-2014 09:10 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 08:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  i think they will use the rankings very heavily, but i believe they reserve the right to disregard them so long as everyone gets their contractual amount of appearances in. Therefore in practice, they will use the rankings 9 times out of 10 and we may never see any difference. The college football playoff website is clear that the Orange Bowl, not the selection committee, picks the teams for their bowl based upon its contractual agreements with the conferences and getting minimum appearances in the bowl. They reserve the right to disregard rankings to avoid a rematch, but I would be interested in seeing what other ways they can disregard the selection committee rankings.

And the Orange Bowl actual press release is crystal clear that it's the CFP ratings that determine the opponent. I think it's also pure folly to think that they would disregard the ratings this year- year 1 of the deal.

My understanding about this is that that the Orange Bowl can't disregard the CFP rankings. It must use those rankings, period.

IOW's, the Orange Bowl doesn't decide anything: The CFP rankings determine its matchup, save for the one case where that matchup would result in a rematch, in which case the OB does have discretion to pass over the rematch team.

But as long as the B1G/SEC/ND team doesn't create a rematch, the OB's matchup is automatically determined by the CFP rankings.

(09-24-2014 09:58 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The PAC/12 and Big 12 should have guaranteed a G5 matchup. Highest remaining PAC/Big 12 vs G5 are automatically matched up in one of the Access Bowls. They should have contracted it directly, probably in the Fiesta Bowl, but Jerry World could have worked as well.

The fly in this ointment is the pretty obvious fact that no major bowl would be willing to contract with the G5. No major bowl wants anything to do with the G5 team and wants that team in its bowl as little as possible, so contracting to take that team every year would be anathema to them.