(09-21-2014 04:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 03:12 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. Love how all these non USF fans know more about our program than USF fans one.

I never said that Tagart is not partly to blame for bad decisions but the reality is that Skip left USF with very little talent at the QB,RB and WR positions.

i know i remember 2 seasons ago and usf fans said they were going bowling under taggart and would be competing for the conference title year 1 but i said i didnt think theyd be good...and got heavy slack for it , because i dont know about usf like usf fans.. (i didnt think a coach who's best record was 7-5 in the sunbelt taking over a 3-9 team would be a 9-10 win team like alot of people were saying)

i literally just listed all the touted wr and rbs that were in the team,
i guess your star WR, 2 other 4star wrs, 4 more 3star wrs, 4 3star RBs and 2 4star TE's arent enough talent to beat mcnesse state ..id agree with the qb situation but usf had a history of losing qb recruits under holtz and honestly taggart had enough time to find a qb from the jc level, high school level, and transfers, i know for a fact 4 to 5 highly touted transferring qbs had usf as an option..also he did recruit white..and again temple, smu, houston, tulsa, uconn, memphis, all had to heavily relied on freshmen qbs aswell...

losing doesnt mean their is no talent. and winning doesnt mean your team is stacked talent wise either.. an argument i actually accepted from a usf fan for last year (except the mcnese game which he also felt was unacceptable by taggart), was USF has talent just didnt have the talent to run his unique brand of Stanford style football, that he expected more from this year..

the thing that really made me question taggart is his words, all you USF fans are saying usf didnt have the talent, why wasnt this what we were hearing preseason 2 years ago, if you guys knew your team so well, why werent you gys saying that saying that i heard zero about that 2 seasons ago, i did hear alot of 8-10 win season talk tho...
memphis's fuentes in media day 2 years ago said memphis is just trying to rebuild when asked about conference championship and openly said his teams isnt even close to the conversation yet and has a long way to go and he's not yet liking what he's seen (he evaluated his team)..uconn's diaco when asked about bowling or conference championship completely avoided it and said he just wants to work on things that help his team win and remove things that cause losing, and didnt even answer. Tulane's curtis johnson said, that their goal was just to go bowling and acknowledge the big step up in conference and said that wouldnt be easy..

now comes taggart..in his media day 2 years ago, when asked about the conference championship, he said usf had a great chance to win it, he talked about his team being able to do this and that. that he expectation is that they "will" go bowling, that he expects to come in a and win right away..so after month and months of evaluation of his team that was what he got? does he not know how to evaluate his team and where they are?

and you cant even blame the qb situation on him holtz for this season, why is that still a problem?, taggart has definitely had enough time to bring in his own qb or develop one on the roster...people like to point out usf qb problems but willie didnt see that as a problem, he had 100% faith in white and still does (as he wont put bench in for him), CWT didnt even bring in 1 true qb prospect, he brought in a Dual threat who is a horrible passer almost certain to switch positions in a year

Stop making up crap...because NO USF fan in their right mind would have made that statement that we would conference year one. We knew that the program would have to be rebuilt as there wasn't much talent left behind by Holtz.

Holtz signed one QB....case closed.

(09-21-2014 04:56 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 11:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 10:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 09:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 09:41 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Really and how do you know this? Skip went 3-9 the year before with a real QB in BJ when he got hurt we got blown out his last three games and he was using the QB that he would have had to use vs MCNeese and that gave them three TDs in turnovers.
So no you have no idea on wether he would have beaten McNeese in 2013.

Skip is a snake oil salesmen, talks a good game but didn't deliver and he is the major cause that USF had ZERO talent in all the offensive positions in 2013

both qbs on the roster are willies qbs that he brought in..you cant blame that he had a real qb...because if skip was still here they'd have certainly been a different qb at the helm one he recruited..la tech's qb had as much tds as white in his 9 game career in 1 game last week

dont get me wrong usf would have been horrible with skip, but skip wouldnt have lost to mcnesse state...willie almost lost to a 4-7 fcs this year who hMonestly looked like the bettrer team the first half..
la tech lost to an fcs yesterday but they dominated the game but gave it up when they had 2 turnovers in their 20 both with 4 minutes left in the game that lead to TDs..honestly that game was lost by player mistakes not coaching...
usf's loses and struggles to fcs were on the coaching

BS
The qBs that played vs McNeese were NOT brought by Taggart.
By the way same QB that started against McNeese and turned the ball over for three TDs to them. Started for Skip in his last three games where our offense managed 1TD and 4 FG. The kid had no TDs and 5 INTs. We had 117 yds of offense vs Pitt and 204 vs Miami and that was with better running backs and WRs to support him. That my friend is what Skip left us
The reality is that last year we had ZERO QBs due to Skip so we had to play a freshmen with little experience in HS White that should had been RS
Because of Skips recruiting we had no one to play behind our senior halfback at RB
Because of Skip we had ONE WR and had to play walk ons at WR

So you can't tell me that Taggart stepped into all these wonderful recruits Skip had given him

DUDE...get off skip and stop looking for excuses for willie
and that qb was a backup original walkon..if skip had stayed he'd have almost certainly brought his own QB from recruiting.. and put in a system for him to succeed in..

and white is in his second year and still deosnt look good, 80% of our league had to play inexperience freshmen qbs last year, half went bowling at the very least looked decent..white finished with a 1 td 8 int ratio his last 5 games.

USF averaged about 40-45 in recruit rankings under holtz...the next closest AAC is in the 60's, mcnesse was in the 300's, skip me the talent, empty co-bard BS ..and are you forgetting the 4star wr that was on the roster that left becuase he didnt like willie (D'Vario Montgomery) or the other receiver that was a starter but left to join skip because he also didnt like willie either..lets not act their werent recievers on the roster when skip left..Davis was consider a star coming into the season,
here are other receiver that were still on the team from holtz
http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiti...kley-82176
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...elch-73122
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...Mut-112420

and lets not forget TE:
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...rice-96638
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8...id=4195979

so when skip left you still had your 2 main WR's, 2 other 4 star recievers, numeorus 3 star and 2 4star TE's ..that guy really left no talent at USF...*rolls eyes* *sarcarm*

and no running back except the 3 other highly touted RB recruits on the roster who were all 3stars ..
i wont even mention the Defense that was on paper stacked, and what should have been an elite level dline, not even for the AAC level but for the nation

and get this over your head...im not saying their werent mistakes made in the mcnese game but you were DOMINATED, they were running out the clock in the early 4th.. that is on the coach..skip had a game plan that mostly worked and should have comfortably beat that fcs team, and it actually worked but 2 simple errors cost them the game with 4 minutes left..despite the fact they were owning the entire game

their was no game plan, you were dominated vs mcnese, int or not the ball wasnt moving, an fcs was running and passing all over you with ease, and if you want to argue that mcnesse had more talent, you have no clue what you are talking about..if you want to argue mcnese had better coaches and out coached and out prepared your team, id argee, their is no excuse that can cover losing to an fcs in that nature
stop blaimng everything on holtz...at one point you are going to realize its on willie...that mcnesse was the largest fbs/fcs blowout in history..before yesterday skips in his entire tenure had never lost to any fcs of any kind...willie almost lost a 4-7 fcs this year..but im sure that is still skips fault aswell

So you really think you know more about USF recruiting than a diehard USF fan? Worry about your own team....


Holtz destroyed USF football in his approach to recruiting, piss poor assistant coaches and some bewildering game day coaching.

Cyber
The fact that he is posting about Dunkley and Mut to show we had WR talent tells you exactly what you need to know. He has NO IDEA on what's going on at USF

(09-21-2014 05:00 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 04:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 03:12 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. Love how all these non USF fans know more about our program than USF fans one.

I never said that Tagart is not partly to blame for bad decisions but the reality is that Skip left USF with very little talent at the QB,RB and WR positions.

i know i remember 2 seasons ago and usf fans said they were going bowling under taggart and would be competing for the conference title year 1 but i said i didnt think theyd be good...and got heavy slack for it , because i dont know about usf like usf fans.. (i didnt think a coach who's best record was 7-5 in the sunbelt taking over a 3-9 team would be a 9-10 win team like alot of people were saying)

i literally just listed all the touted wr and rbs that were in the team,
i guess your star WR, 2 other 4star wrs, 4 more 3star wrs, 4 3star RBs and 2 4star TE's arent enough talent to beat mcnesse state ..id agree with the qb situation but usf had a history of losing qb recruits under holtz and honestly taggart had enough time to find a qb from the jc level, high school level, and transfers, i know for a fact 4 to 5 highly touted transferring qbs had usf as an option..also he did recruit white..and again temple, smu, houston, tulsa, uconn, memphis, all had to heavily relied on freshmen qbs aswell...

losing doesnt mean their is no talent. and winning doesnt mean your team is stacked talent wise either.. an argument i actually accepted from a usf fan for last year (except the mcnese game which he also felt was unacceptable by taggart), was USF has talent just didnt have the talent to run his unique brand of Stanford style football, that he expected more from this year..

the thing that really made me question taggart is his words, all you USF fans are saying usf didnt have the talent, why wasnt this what we were hearing preseason 2 years ago, if you guys knew your team so well, why werent you gys saying that saying that i heard zero about that 2 seasons ago, i did hear alot of 8-10 win season talk tho...
memphis's fuentes in media day 2 years ago said memphis is just trying to rebuild when asked about conference championship and openly said his teams isnt even close to the conversation yet and has a long way to go and he's not yet liking what he's seen (he evaluated his team)..uconn's diaco when asked about bowling or conference championship completely avoided it and said he just wants to work on things that help his team win and remove things that cause losing, and didnt even answer. Tulane's curtis johnson said, that their goal was just to go bowling and acknowledge the big step up in conference and said that wouldnt be easy..

now comes taggart..in his media day 2 years ago, when asked about the conference championship, he said usf had a great chance to win it, he talked about his team being able to do this and that. that he expectation is that they "will" go bowling, that he expects to come in a and win right away..so after month and months of evaluation of his team that was what he got? does he not know how to evaluate his team and where they are?

and you cant even blame the qb situation on him holtz for this season, why is that still a problem?, taggart has definitely had enough time to bring in his own qb or develop one on the roster...people like to point out usf qb problems but willie didnt see that as a problem, he had 100% faith in white and still does (as he wont put bench in for him), CWT didnt even bring in 1 true qb prospect, he brought in a Dual threat who is a horrible passer almost certain to switch positions in a year

Stop making up crap...because NO USF fan in their right mind would have made that statement that we would conference year one. We knew that the program would have to be rebuilt as there wasn't much talent left behind by Holtz.

Holtz signed one QB....case closed.

Three years of recruiting and he had ONE QB recruit Matt Floyd that says it all

(09-21-2014 03:22 PM)DiamondKnight Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 03:12 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. Love how all these non USF fans know more about our program than USF fans one.

I never said that Tagart is not partly to blame for bad decisions but the reality is that Skip left USF with very little talent at the QB,RB and WR positions.

It doesn't take a person to be a USF fan to understand how teams work. I've been involved with University athletics in fund raising and booster clubs for over 25 years. Its not rocket science.

So what does that have to do with anything?

Is that you STK?

(09-21-2014 05:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 04:56 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 11:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 10:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 09:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  both qbs on the roster are willies qbs that he brought in..you cant blame that he had a real qb...because if skip was still here they'd have certainly been a different qb at the helm one he recruited..la tech's qb had as much tds as white in his 9 game career in 1 game last week

dont get me wrong usf would have been horrible with skip, but skip wouldnt have lost to mcnesse state...willie almost lost to a 4-7 fcs this year who hMonestly looked like the bettrer team the first half..
la tech lost to an fcs yesterday but they dominated the game but gave it up when they had 2 turnovers in their 20 both with 4 minutes left in the game that lead to TDs..honestly that game was lost by player mistakes not coaching...
usf's loses and struggles to fcs were on the coaching

BS
The qBs that played vs McNeese were NOT brought by Taggart.
By the way same QB that started against McNeese and turned the ball over for three TDs to them. Started for Skip in his last three games where our offense managed 1TD and 4 FG. The kid had no TDs and 5 INTs. We had 117 yds of offense vs Pitt and 204 vs Miami and that was with better running backs and WRs to support him. That my friend is what Skip left us
The reality is that last year we had ZERO QBs due to Skip so we had to play a freshmen with little experience in HS White that should had been RS
Because of Skips recruiting we had no one to play behind our senior halfback at RB
Because of Skip we had ONE WR and had to play walk ons at WR

So you can't tell me that Taggart stepped into all these wonderful recruits Skip had given him

DUDE...get off skip and stop looking for excuses for willie
and that qb was a backup original walkon..if skip had stayed he'd have almost certainly brought his own QB from recruiting.. and put in a system for him to succeed in..

and white is in his second year and still deosnt look good, 80% of our league had to play inexperience freshmen qbs last year, half went bowling at the very least looked decent..white finished with a 1 td 8 int ratio his last 5 games.

USF averaged about 40-45 in recruit rankings under holtz...the next closest AAC is in the 60's, mcnesse was in the 300's, skip me the talent, empty co-bard BS ..and are you forgetting the 4star wr that was on the roster that left becuase he didnt like willie (D'Vario Montgomery) or the other receiver that was a starter but left to join skip because he also didnt like willie either..lets not act their werent recievers on the roster when skip left..Davis was consider a star coming into the season,
here are other receiver that were still on the team from holtz
http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiti...kley-82176
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...elch-73122
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...Mut-112420

and lets not forget TE:
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...rice-96638
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8...id=4195979

so when skip left you still had your 2 main WR's, 2 other 4 star recievers, numeorus 3 star and 2 4star TE's ..that guy really left no talent at USF...*rolls eyes* *sarcarm*

and no running back except the 3 other highly touted RB recruits on the roster who were all 3stars ..
i wont even mention the Defense that was on paper stacked, and what should have been an elite level dline, not even for the AAC level but for the nation

and get this over your head...im not saying their werent mistakes made in the mcnese game but you were DOMINATED, they were running out the clock in the early 4th.. that is on the coach..skip had a game plan that mostly worked and should have comfortably beat that fcs team, and it actually worked but 2 simple errors cost them the game with 4 minutes left..despite the fact they were owning the entire game

their was no game plan, you were dominated vs mcnese, int or not the ball wasnt moving, an fcs was running and passing all over you with ease, and if you want to argue that mcnesse had more talent, you have no clue what you are talking about..if you want to argue mcnese had better coaches and out coached and out prepared your team, id argee, their is no excuse that can cover losing to an fcs in that nature
stop blaimng everything on holtz...at one point you are going to realize its on willie...that mcnesse was the largest fbs/fcs blowout in history..before yesterday skips in his entire tenure had never lost to any fcs of any kind...willie almost lost a 4-7 fcs this year..but im sure that is still skips fault aswell

So you really think you know more about USF recruiting than a diehard USF fan? Worry about your own team....


Holtz destroyed USF football in his approach to recruiting, piss poor assistant coaches and some bewildering game day coaching.

Cyber
The fact that he is posting about Dunkley and Mut to show we had WR talent tells you exactly what you need to know. He has NO IDEA on what's going on at USF

Seems to me that jp he should be worrying about his Houston team instead of playing Internet know-it-all....something which he obviously fails at with his idiotic suggestion that Holtz left a ton a talent for the next coach.

Btw, seems like our friend guru has changed handles again...

(09-21-2014 05:00 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  Stop making up crap...because NO USF fan in their right mind would have made that statement that we would conference year one. We knew that the program would have to be rebuilt as there wasn't much talent left behind by Holtz.

Holtz signed one QB....case closed.

what?? TONS of usf fans said that...some had tempered expectations expectations of 7-8 wins but a HUGE portion had top 3 and potentially competing for the title.

i know this for a fact beuase we always had debates becuase like i said i didnt think taggart was going to be good year 1..i was thinking a 5-6 win season at best...and got in numerous debates with usf fans ..

your beat writer at the time had usf with 9 wins and #3 in the league who was very connected to the staff, numreous usf fans posted article and quotes like from places like scout, athlon and other places that has usf projected 8 to 10 wins and gave me the arguemnt, im prett sure they know "more than me" etc..

you either secluded yourself from any usf fans or completely have revisionist memory

(09-21-2014 05:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 05:00 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  Stop making up crap...because NO USF fan in their right mind would have made that statement that we would conference year one. We knew that the program would have to be rebuilt as there wasn't much talent left behind by Holtz.

Holtz signed one QB....case closed.

what?? TONS of usf fans said that...some had tempered expectations expectations of 7-8 wins but a HUGE portion had top 3 and potentially competing for the title.

i know this for a fact beuase we always had debates becuase like i said i didnt think taggart was going to be good year 1..i was thinking a 5-6 win season at best...and got in numerous debates with usf fans ..

your beat writer at the time had usf with 9 wins and #3 in the league who was very connected to the staff, numreous usf fans posted article and quotes like from places like scout, athlon and other places that has usf projected 8 to 10 wins and gave me the arguemnt, im prett sure they know "more than me" etc..

you either secluded yourself from any usf fans or completely have revisionist memory

On which board did you get into numerous debates with USF fans? Certainly not in this one.

As I said before the plain fact that you brought up Dunkley and Mut to tell me about WR depth at USF tells me you know NOThING about USF.

(09-21-2014 05:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Cyber
The fact that he is posting about Dunkley and Mut to show we had WR talent tells you exactly what you need to know. He has NO IDEA on what's going on at USF

dunkley and mut were receivers when holtz left, and dunkley was still a WR last year, all because they switched positions after doesnt mean they dont count as WR talent..and taggart said he moved dunkley to DB because he felt that was were he was needed more, and that he would move him back to WR if needed but hoped he wouldnt have to

(09-21-2014 05:10 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 05:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 05:00 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  Stop making up crap...because NO USF fan in their right mind would have made that statement that we would conference year one. We knew that the program would have to be rebuilt as there wasn't much talent left behind by Holtz.

Holtz signed one QB....case closed.

what?? TONS of usf fans said that...some had tempered expectations expectations of 7-8 wins but a HUGE portion had top 3 and potentially competing for the title.

i know this for a fact beuase we always had debates becuase like i said i didnt think taggart was going to be good year 1..i was thinking a 5-6 win season at best...and got in numerous debates with usf fans ..

your beat writer at the time had usf with 9 wins and #3 in the league who was very connected to the staff, numreous usf fans posted article and quotes like from places like scout, athlon and other places that has usf projected 8 to 10 wins and gave me the arguemnt, im prett sure they know "more than me" etc..

you either secluded yourself from any usf fans or completely have revisionist memory

On which board did you get into numerous debates with USF fans? Certainly not in this one.

As I said before the plain fact that you brought up Dunkley and Mut to tell me about WR depth at USF tells me you know NOThING about USF.

i Just responded to this,..so dunkley wasnt a WR last year?? Alright...ward was our back up qb last year..and was part of the qb depth, he is a wr this year. the fact he is a WR this year, doesnt mean he wasnt part of our qb depth last year

their are like 3 usf fans here, mostly different forums, and sites but a ton of them post here occasionally, not recently and the main usf forum..we still talk now and then

(09-21-2014 05:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 05:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Cyber
The fact that he is posting about Dunkley and Mut to show we had WR talent tells you exactly what you need to know. He has NO IDEA on what's going on at USF

dunkley and mut were receivers when holtz left, and dunkley was still a WR last year, all because they switched positions after doesnt mean they dont count as WR talent..and taggart said he moved dunkley to DB because he felt that was were he was needed more, and that he would move him back to WR if needed but hoped he wouldnt have to

LOL. You know the real reason Dunkley got moved? Because all he has is speed and didn't make it as a WR in UF and couldn't at USF. As for Mut he was injured before he even got on campus and hasn't been a factor since arriving. Of course you wouldn't know either of those two things because all you are going on its on what Coach at is telling the media

(09-21-2014 05:07 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 05:00 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  Stop making up crap...because NO USF fan in their right mind would have made that statement that we would conference year one. We knew that the program would have to be rebuilt as there wasn't much talent left behind by Holtz.

Holtz signed one QB....case closed.

what?? TONS of usf fans said that...some had tempered expectations expectations of 7-8 wins but a HUGE portion had top 3 and potentially competing for the title.

i know this for a fact beuase we always had debates becuase like i said i didnt think taggart was going to be good year 1..i was thinking a 5-6 win season at best...and got in numerous debates with usf fans ..

your beat writer at the time had usf with 9 wins and #3 in the league who was very connected to the staff, numreous usf fans posted article and quotes like from places like scout, athlon and other places that has usf projected 8 to 10 wins and gave me the arguemnt, im prett sure they know "more than me" etc..

you either secluded yourself from any usf fans or completely have revisionist memory

Again, I don't recall "tons" of USF fans predicting championships other than a few delusional fans which we all laugh at on the various online USF message board communities., see usfbull. Many folks predicted a mediocre team until Taggart was able to establish his program with players that fit his system.

Btw....tell us why this somehow this matters or so important to you?

(09-21-2014 12:11 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(09-20-2014 11:36 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(09-20-2014 11:15 PM)nobledictator1278 Wrote:  I was so angry and disappointed when Skip left us like he did for USF at the time. I am so thankful now that he did. It is nice to feel that your coach isn't looking at every opportunity to leave that comes his way. With that said I'm still glad for what Skip did for our program.... but I will always have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to him.

It took a lot to get us out of that dumpster fire of that coach before him. If he didn't set the new foundation, we wouldn't be where we are now.

Well he sure as hell left our roster without much of a foundation but he did get the program back to winning.

I've always thought that was a little unfair. We had just won 7, 8, 9, and 9 games including conference titles the last 2 years and beat like ranked Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Boise State, and Houston. Obviously graduating the kinds of seniors we did of and transition of course you should expect some step back when the players driving that success are gone, even some like Joseph going pro early that set us back even more.

The fact is he left some talent in the program especially on the offensive side of the ball with D. Harris, Lance Lewis, Dominic Davis all in the NFL Jon Williams, Givani Ruffin and a good O line. Even left a solid recruiting class. I think at least that first year people ignore the fact we played a really brutal schedule with 5 teams finishing in the top 25 and 2 more receiving votes.

At the end of the day Skip was good for ECU and I'll always be greatful he got us out of the misery wer were in but I was ok with him moving on and I did think it was the right time because I think he had taken us as far as he was and if he stayed his seat would have got hot while he rebuilt. He already had his detractors even winning 9 games. The fact the timing was just right to get an alum coach and most of Texas Tech's staff was just gravy fresh off a bowl win vs Mich State.

If Skip is such a good coach and had so much talent at USF then why was he 4-16 in his last 20 games and that was with a junior and senior BJ Daniels at QB

(09-20-2014 11:15 PM)nobledictator1278 Wrote:  I was so angry and disappointed when Skip left us like he did for USF at the time. I am so thankful now that he did. It is nice to feel that your coach isn't looking at every opportunity to leave that comes his way. With that said I'm still glad for what Skip did for our program.... but I will always have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to him.

kinda like Memphis & Calipari.
Its not THAT he left...it is HOW he left that pissed us all off.

oh...and i finally remembered..holtz did have a qb, the NUMBER ONE dual threat qb, who was the crown heir apparent, and would have taken over for bj, Asiantii Woulard ...who de-committed because holtz was fired...

so yeah..im back to 100% certain usf wouldnt lost the fcs if holtz was the coach (again usf would have still been bad, but not losing to fcs bad) and the qb situation was being handled

(09-21-2014 05:20 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If Skip is such a good coach and had so much talent at USF then why was he 4-16 in his last 20 games and that was with a junior and senior BJ Daniels at QB

the argument was never good coach, the argument was loseing to mcnese and using skip as a crutch for willies mistakes..

skip had to go...he wasnt a good coach at usf but he was never as bad as willie's season last year..

people put too much blame n skip and not enough on Willie

(09-21-2014 05:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  oh...and i finally remembered..holtz did have a qb, the NUMBER ONE dual threat qb, who was the crown heir apparent, and would have taken over for bj, Asiantii Woulard ...who de-committed because holtz was fired...

so yeah..im back to 100% certain usf wouldnt lost the fcs is holtz was the coach (again usf would have still been bad, but not losing to fcs bad) and the qb situation was being handled

LOL more ignorance. Woulard de committed BEFORE Holtz was fired, his Dad wanted him at a big school and was shopping him around. He committed again later because the SEC offer didn't pan out when UCLA came calling he left and used the firing as an excuse. But of course you wouldn't know any of that LOL

(09-21-2014 05:14 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 05:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 05:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Cyber
The fact that he is posting about Dunkley and Mut to show we had WR talent tells you exactly what you need to know. He has NO IDEA on what's going on at USF

dunkley and mut were receivers when holtz left, and dunkley was still a WR last year, all because they switched positions after doesnt mean they dont count as WR talent..and taggart said he moved dunkley to DB because he felt that was were he was needed more, and that he would move him back to WR if needed but hoped he wouldnt have to

LOL. You know the real reason Dunkley got moved? Because all he has is speed and didn't make it as a WR in UF and couldn't at USF. As for Mut he was injured before he even got on campus and hasn't been a factor since arriving. Of course you wouldn't know either of those two things because all you are going on its on what Coach at is telling the media

taggart literally 4 weeks ago said dunkley could still be moved back to WR if need, and he moved dunkly because they needed DB more than they needed WR.. and if the the new WR's couldn't handle it that he would move dunkley back

(09-21-2014 05:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 05:20 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If Skip is such a good coach and had so much talent at USF then why was he 4-16 in his last 20 games and that was with a junior and senior BJ Daniels at QB

the argument was never good coach, the argument was loseing to mcnese and using skip as a crutch for willies mistakes..

skip had to go...he wasnt a good coach at usf but he was never as bad as willie's season last year..

people put too much blame n skip and not enough on Willie

No one is saying that Taggart has no blame or has been perfect. But yo say that Skip left him depth and talent to be successful is not true.

Skip went 3-9 his last year, 4-16 in past 20 games with a BETTER and more experienced team than USF has had past two years

(09-21-2014 05:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 05:14 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 05:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 05:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Cyber
The fact that he is posting about Dunkley and Mut to show we had WR talent tells you exactly what you need to know. He has NO IDEA on what's going on at USF

dunkley and mut were receivers when holtz left, and dunkley was still a WR last year, all because they switched positions after doesnt mean they dont count as WR talent..and taggart said he moved dunkley to DB because he felt that was were he was needed more, and that he would move him back to WR if needed but hoped he wouldnt have to

LOL. You know the real reason Dunkley got moved? Because all he has is speed and didn't make it as a WR in UF and couldn't at USF. As for Mut he was injured before he even got on campus and hasn't been a factor since arriving. Of course you wouldn't know either of those two things because all you are going on its on what Coach at is telling the media

taggart literally 4 weeks ago said dunkley could still be moved back to WR if need, and he moved dunkly because they needed DB more than they needed WR.. and if the the new WR's couldn't handle it that he would move dunkley back

That's what he said to the media. You think he is going to tell everyone that Dunkley is not good enough to play receiver?
The kid is a speed guy, he has some talent just not as a receiver. He was a bust there at UF,under Skip and under Taggart but he is talented enough that you need him on the field.
But to use his name to show depth at RECEIVER is nonsense.