Crushin' it for homecoming.

Oh great, now we have a Temple fan ridiculing our attendance. That is the definition of rock bottom. What's next from our friend from Philadelphia, fan etiquette tips? Advice on how to build a Super Bowl champion?

In fairness, you can see by the darkened sky/stadium lights, that is at the end of a 56–28 blowout loss in which we were out of the game for minutes into it. Hell, even I contemplated leaving at half time and I never leave a game early. I think you know that but you're trying to win some bullshitt argument that only you care about.

Here is what Heinz Field can and has looked like when the team is competitive.


Care to show me a similar example of Temple doing the same at the Eagles' stadium?

Come on, man, this is getting annoying. Why don't you go talk trash to Tulane or Tulsa fans - you know, your actual peers? We are not close, we have never been close, and we never will be close. We are each urban schools located in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. That is where our similarities end whether you are willing to accept it or not.

Pitt's attendance was not great for homecoming - probably 35K - but that is still better than anything Temple ever sees.

Best of luck to Temple successfully retaining its spot in the AAC – something it was not able to do the last time it was in that conference. However, now that it has been so watered-down by all of the programs worth anything all leaving it, I think you have a decent chance to stick this time. I know I'll be pulling for you.

Fingers crossed.

Honestly though Pitt would probably lose to Temple this year.

Well, we lost to Akron so of course we could lose to Temple. We could lose to anyone this year. We have the youngest team in college football and it has shown.

Also, even in our halcyon days, we did not go undefeated against Temple. Now, we did beat them a hell of a lot more than they have beaten us, but the Owls have definitely beaten us before and may have beaten us this year to were we to play.

The point is any Temple fan making fun of PITT or any other school's attendance is almost amazing. That is literally the worst job in Division I football, which is why nobody has ever won there with even a modicum of consistency.

I once attended a Pitt/Temple game in Philadelphia in which the Panthers won, 7–0. It remains the single worst college football experience of my life and maybe my worst sporting experience ever. The game was absolutely atrocious - on both ends.

The upper bowl of Veterans' Stadium was completely closed and the lower bowl of the Vet looked very much like that picture of Heinz Field. I think TU announced something like 18,000 people were at that game when in fact – and I am not kidding – there may not have been 1,800 people at that game.

Now, that is also an indictment of Pitt's ability to travel, so this is not only an attack on Temple. It is merely to point out the absurdity of this entire discussion. If this were a Clemson or a Florida State fan casting these aspersions, while annoying, they would have some room to talk. However, a Temple fan making fun of anyone else's attendance is a bit like Chris Christie making fun of someone else's weight problem. It is just absurd on every conceivable level.

Those are all fair points. I would only sort of contest that Temple is the worst job in division 1 football. I understand it's easy to forget that EMU and Buffalo really do play FBS football. Hell I'd block it out too if I could but the fact remains that some poor sap has to try coaching at those places.

Yeah, those are Temple-esque jobs as well. However, I think it is easier to win at Buffalo than it is a Temple. Buffalo is actually a very good school and if they were in the AAC, I think they would get comparable support to what Temple has gotten for the past several decades.

The problem Buffalo has, and which Temple shares, is that they have two main campuses in their metro area that are nowhere near each other.

In Buffalo's case, their students are all located on one campus - which is actually pretty cool - and the stadium and some classrooms are located across town on a separate campus. It is an absolutely bizarre set up and I have no idea why they thought that would work? I have been to three games at Buffalo and none of them have been remotely well attended.

I believe that is what this Temple kook is suggesting his school should do and promising they will do at some point in the nebulous future. Yeah, right. However, even if they do shock the world and put actual resources towards their program, I suspect they would have similar results to what Buffalo has experienced on the attendance front.

It's just hard for schools in the Northeast to overcome the pro sports first, last and always mentality here. Unless you experience it on a day-to-day basis I think it is hard for people from other parts of the country to relate to it. The people in the Northeast – and this impacts schools like Rutgers, Boston College and Maryland as well – just look at college football in general as the minor-league version of the "real thing."

Most Northeasterners look at college football in almost the same way they would look at college baseball or college hockey – a cool little college thing but certainly not the real thing like pro sports.

(10-29-2014 10:09 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Oh great, now we have a Temple fan ridiculing our attendance. That is the definition of rock bottom. What's next from our friend from Philadelphia, fan etiquette tips? Advice on how to build a Super Bowl champion?

This really made me

Pitt
Temple

Anxious to see how our final three games look. Ticket sales have been good, I've heard, so hopefully we'll have a good showing for each (60k+).

(10-29-2014 10:09 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Oh great, now we have a Temple fan ridiculing our attendance. That is the definition of rock bottom. What's next from our friend from Philadelphia, fan etiquette tips? Advice on how to build a Super Bowl champion?

In fairness, you can see by the darkened sky/stadium lights, that is at the end of a 56–28 blowout loss in which we were out of the game for minutes into it. Hell, even I contemplated leaving at half time and I never leave a game early. I think you know that but you're trying to win some bullshitt argument that only you care about.

Here is what Heinz Field can and has looked like when the team is competitive.


Care to show me a similar example of Temple doing the same at the Eagles' stadium?

Come on, man, this is getting annoying. Why don't you go talk trash to Tulane or Tulsa fans - you know, your actual peers? We are not close, we have never been close, and we never will be close. We are each urban schools located in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. That is where our similarities end whether you are willing to accept it or not.

Pitt's attendance was not great for homecoming - probably 35K - but that is still better than anything Temple ever sees.

Best of luck to Temple successfully retaining its spot in the AAC – something it was not able to do the last time it was in that conference. However, now that it has been so watered-down by all of the programs worth anything all leaving it, I think you have a decent chance to stick this time. I know I'll be pulling for you.

Fingers crossed.

Don't hold back, Dr. Tell us how you really feel.

I rarely do hold back. I just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. A Temple fan talking shitt on Pitt is just plain ridiculous on every level.

When you're losing to Akron, you really shouldn't be talking **** to anyone. If you want to pretend that it's still the 80's at Pitt, your delusion is your own problem.

Too much hooting and hollering from the perpetually less-than-average in this thread.

(10-30-2014 04:27 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  When you're losing to Akron, you really shouldn't be talking **** to anyone. If you want to pretend that it's still the 80's at Pitt, your delusion is your own problem.

Remind me again of Temple's glory period.

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Well... I'm bored at work on a Friday, stumbled upon this thread, and figured I'd resurrect it from the dead for a little discussion.

Given that Pitt has pulled in home crowds around 50k against Villanova, 70k against Penn State and 45k against Marshall for games so far this year (I'm pulling these numbers from box scores on Pitt's website FWIW), I think that's a pretty good start to the year. It's pretty clear that scheduling important games like Penn State & WVU will likely fill the stadium (I'm curious how crowds will turn out for OK St next year), and obviously a good product will help even more. I think Narduzzi is a great fit at Pitt and hope he's there for a long time.

Also, it's a little too early to tell if Miami is really BACK, and given their home games have been against Florida A&M and FAU I'd say it's not a true indicator of the fanbase. I figured we might be able to tell tomorrow against FSU, but with Matthew potentially putting a damper on things it may be hard to get a real handle. But hey, I think they're another program that has the right guy in charge with Richt and they've already announced a badly needed upgrade in the on-campus indoor practice facility. Playing at a revamped Hard Rock Stadium is only a plus, so we'll see in time if the U can bring back the fans. And hey, it doesn't hurt that the renovations reduced capacity.

I've made this point in other threads, but I think the biggest thing that can help draw fans is better competition. With UNC having a good team under Fedora, continued growth at Pitt under Narduzzi, plus hopefully resurgent programs under Fuente at VT and Richt in Miami - that's what is going to fill stadiums. The Coastal division is in a good spot right now and I hope that each program steps up to the plate to give some competition to the Atlantic.

Sure, having an on-campus stadium is nice, but not essential is the product is worth watching. And as Paco's lengthy history lesson on page 5 of this thread illustrates, Pitt's overall athletics are probably better off by agreeing to the sharing arrangement.

Well we never really had the fan base for home games that we have now. At our peak we had maybe had 60k for nobodies including teams like FAMU and FAU, but that was when we were winning championships. For most of that stretch we'd see 35,000 crowds for even conference games. To have 60k for crap teams that brought very few fans is extremely promising and something we've never really seen before at least in a long time.

(10-07-2016 04:50 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Well we never really had the fan base for home games that we have now. At our peak we had maybe had 60k for nobodies including teams like FAMU and FAU, but that was when we were winning championships. For most of that stretch we'd see 35,000 crowds for even conference games. To have 60k for crap teams that brought very few fans is extremely promising and something we've never really seen before at least in a long time.

I think the revamped Hard Rock Stadium is going to be a big benefit to the Miami program. Just from watching the rivalry game with FSU on TV, the atmosphere seemed tremendous. Putting the roof on that stadium was a great investment by Stephen Ross - yes, it lowered capacity but it seems like it's made the venue a much better experience.

(10-11-2016 10:35 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think the revamped Hard Rock Stadium is going to be a big benefit to the Miami program. Just from watching the rivalry game with FSU on TV, the atmosphere seemed tremendous. Putting the roof on that stadium was a great investment by Stephen Ross - yes, it lowered capacity but it seems like it's made the venue a much better experience.

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(10-12-2016 11:20 AM)green Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 10:35 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think the revamped Hard Rock Stadium is going to be a big benefit to the Miami program. Just from watching the rivalry game with FSU on TV, the atmosphere seemed tremendous. Putting the roof on that stadium was a great investment by Stephen Ross - yes, it lowered capacity but it seems like it's made the venue a much better experience.

https://twitter.com/TomGarfinkel/status/...3930391552

‏Hard Rock Stadium is beyond compare in the ACC. (No, it isn't on campus, blah blah blah.)
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WHAT IS THE HOLY GRAIL

looks like a great stadium to me!