(09-12-2014 09:59 AM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:31 AM)07owl Wrote:  Great gif of UH defense: http://deadspin.com/houston-db-trevon-st...1633946804

Sure to become a classic Coogin' it moment....

Except that the play ended in a UH forced turnover. Kind of ruins the joke a bit. Can't ask for much more out of the UH defense. BYU is so much better on both lines. I just can't believe the offense is run by a Middle School coach It's embarrassing. When Gibbs leaves after this year, the program is going to fold. Mark it down.

Truly was a battle of Coogs, as it seemed like it was a battle of who wanted to "Coog it" more. On that play, the idiot BYU receiver should have simply gone out of bounds to kill the clock (as there were only about 10 seconds left). Instead he battled for about one more yard...and promptly fumbled, setting up the Hail Mary at the end of the first half. BYU did some spectacularly stupid stuff throughout the game--I don't think it did them any favors about "winning convincingly" as the commentators said they'd need to do to play on New Year's Day.

The 7-11 pic is a very racist remark which referenced UH fans holding up and robbing 7-11 stores while traveling to the cotton bowl way back in the day. SMU used to put up racist banners calling us “coogeros” or something to that effect, which was apparently accepted, so UH has had to deal with racists remarks from many of the “OLD SWC FOE” due to UH integrating it’s school and Athletic Dept 1st way back in the day. UH being in the historic 3rd Ward is something we are proud of, and do not shy away from, but many of our old swc schools did not like the direction we were going so they used our historic location as a pejorative.

Rice smack is the best. Snap. Crackle. Pop.

(09-13-2014 09:51 AM)Burpelson Wrote:  The 7-11 pic is a very racist remark which referenced UH fans holding up and robbing 7-11 stores while traveling to the cotton bowl way back in the day. SMU used to put up racist banners calling us “coogeros” or something to that effect, which was apparently accepted, so UH has had to deal with racists remarks from many of the “OLD SWC FOE” due to UH integrating it’s school and Athletic Dept 1st way back in the day. UH being in the historic 3rd Ward is something we are proud of, and do not shy away from, but many of our old swc schools did not like the direction we were going so they used our historic location as a pejorative.

"historic"

(09-12-2014 10:05 AM)Mademen Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:59 AM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:31 AM)07owl Wrote:  Great gif of UH defense: http://deadspin.com/houston-db-trevon-st...1633946804

Sure to become a classic Coogin' it moment....

Except that the play ended in a UH forced turnover. Kind of ruins the joke a bit. Can't ask for much more out of the UH defense. BYU is so much better on both lines. I just can't believe the offense is run by a Middle School coach It's embarrassing. When Gibbs leaves after this year, the program is going to fold. Mark it down.

Turning crap into a crap pie, huh?

(09-13-2014 09:51 AM)Burpelson Wrote:  The 7-11 pic is a very racist remark which referenced UH fans holding up and robbing 7-11 stores while traveling to the cotton bowl way back in the day. SMU used to put up racist banners calling us “coogeros” or something to that effect, which was apparently accepted, so UH has had to deal with racists remarks from many of the “OLD SWC FOE” due to UH integrating it’s school and Athletic Dept 1st way back in the day. UH being in the historic 3rd Ward is something we are proud of, and do not shy away from, but many of our old swc schools did not like the direction we were going so they used our historic location as a pejorative.

I have never heard of the 7-11 reference before this. But if it was based on UH fans robbing a 7-11, how is that racists? Unless the story was fabricated and the only reason people suggested that it was UH fans was because of the race of the perps.

I get the other drivel and blatantly racist comments that were sadly made back in the day, but I may be missing something with the 7-11 comment.

(09-13-2014 09:51 AM)Burpelson Wrote:  The 7-11 pic is a very racist remark which referenced UH fans holding up and robbing 7-11 stores while traveling to the cotton bowl way back in the day.

Most telling is that the 7-Eleven remark came from the long-time Executive Director of the Cotton Bowl, Hoss Brock. It went something like this: When discussing the prospect of Houston earning a berth in the Cotton Bowl, Brock looked down on the economic impact of Cougar fans by saying "half of the U of H fans will eat at a 7-Eleven, and the other half will rob one".

A few years ago, I'd found and posted a link to a story (in Sports Illustrated, IIRC) about this incident ... but I can't find it now. This 1988 Sports Illustrated profile say nothing about it.

After his death in 2008, ESPN's Ivan Maisel wrote a gushing tribute to Brock's "hospitality" with only a scant illusion to the dark side of his Old South demeanor: "In 1992, the upright citizens of the Cotton Bowl Executive Committee took the Cotton Bowl away from Brock. The decision roughly coincided with the breakup of Brock's marriage. The Cotton Bowl officials never said that Brock's behavior had become an embarrassment to them."

This online tribute is typical ... except that it did attract a comment from a UH alum.

(09-14-2014 01:21 AM)Burpelson Wrote:  I have served this Nation and State Honorably why should I leave, just calling it like I see it! We have issues in this State with color, one should be able to point it out without someone telling me to leave!!!! When I see 7-11 innuendos and other schools denigrating my school because we are located in 3rd Ward, I call it out! UH is in a historically black part of our City, and there are people that remind us in “subtle” ways, and AM radio fuels this, so yes I call it out!!! The 7-11 post smacks of RACISM and I needed to explain it, so sorry for a history lesson.

To be fair, you didn't explain it at all. As someone who didn't grow up in Texas, I had no idea what the 7-11 comment was about, and it took a Rice fan to do the due diligence and explain what the racial undertones to that comment were. I think it's right to call out crass and pints tidally racist comments, but do a better job of educating people about what is actually going on, rather than pointing fingers and screaming racists.

Nowadays I think a lot of this "reminding in subtle ways" is more UH fans taking offense to comments that are not even remotely racist (I've had UH fans try and tell me the Cougar High chant is racist because it refers to UH integrating first, and that is not what it refers to) or to people being ignorant of the context of their comments, and what is being implied. I can tell you from personal experience, current Rice students don't look down on UH because of its ethnic make up, or it's historical place with regards to race issues, but they like to make fun of it for its academics in relation to Rice.

(09-14-2014 01:21 AM)Burpelson Wrote:  When I see ... other schools denigrating my school because we are located in 3rd Ward, I call it out!

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anyone bring up the 3rd Ward in this thread until your post (#23).

(09-14-2014 11:33 AM)MOBweb Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 01:21 AM)Burpelson Wrote:  When I see ... other schools denigrating my school because we are located in 3rd Ward, I call it out!

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anyone bring up the 3rd Ward in this thread until your post (#23).

Ahh.. the harsh words of reality!!

All of this is really pointless....

The comment was made by a Cotton Bowl Official... Not by a Rice person. People at Rice were asked about UH... Someone opined surprise that nobody had mentioned it.... and the only Rice response was 'tell them the story'... and the story wasn't told... until YOU did.

The fact that it is an ugly story is probably why the story wasn't told.... but it DID happen.

but yeah... if you want to dredge up an old story and somehow associate it with us, fine. Frankly, I think the way we described UH's origins was FAR more 'cordial' than our usual tellings of the tale.

For my part, when I've taken my family around the UH campus, I was pretty careful to point out (what I know of) the significance of the third ward, insofar as it has a number of historic large homes.

The third ward is one of the things I like about Houston.

The 7-11 comment started with a Cotton Bowl official right before the Jan. 1, 1985 game. It was half of the UH fans will eat in a 7-11 and the other half will rob 7-11s. Maybe I should not spent any money in Dallas if they have that attitude. I wanted to see a Cotton Bowl game so I got a UH student ticket since I was in UH Law School then. I stayed downtown at the Holiday Inn and I never went to a 7-11 when I was there. UH lost to Doug Flutie and Boston College. It started sleeting at the end of the game and it snowed that night. I was cold the whole game even with wool clothes and a blanket.

Actually, UH is outside the historic part of the Third Ward which is around Dowling Street down to around Alabama or Wheeler. The area around the UH campus did not flip racially until the 1950s and 1960s so it was not in a black area when UH was settled there in 1939.

(09-13-2014 09:51 AM)Burpelson Wrote:  The 7-11 pic is a very racist remark which referenced UH fans holding up and robbing 7-11 stores while traveling to the cotton bowl way back in the day. SMU used to put up racist banners calling us “coogeros” or something to that effect, which was apparently accepted, so UH has had to deal with racists remarks from many of the “OLD SWC FOE” due to UH integrating it’s school and Athletic Dept 1st way back in the day. UH being in the historic 3rd Ward is something we are proud of, and do not shy away from, but many of our old swc schools did not like the direction we were going so they used our historic location as a pejorative.

The Cougar High thing probably started when UH was founded in 1927 as a night school using the San Jacinto High School. It was run by the Houston school district until it was later spun off as a private school and then was taken over by the State of Texas in 1963. It should be noted that the UH of today is a lot better than the UH of the past.

(09-14-2014 08:32 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 01:21 AM)Burpelson Wrote:  I have served this Nation and State Honorably why should I leave, just calling it like I see it! We have issues in this State with color, one should be able to point it out without someone telling me to leave!!!! When I see 7-11 innuendos and other schools denigrating my school because we are located in 3rd Ward, I call it out! UH is in a historically black part of our City, and there are people that remind us in “subtle” ways, and AM radio fuels this, so yes I call it out!!! The 7-11 post smacks of RACISM and I needed to explain it, so sorry for a history lesson.

To be fair, you didn't explain it at all. As someone who didn't grow up in Texas, I had no idea what the 7-11 comment was about, and it took a Rice fan to do the due diligence and explain what the racial undertones to that comment were. I think it's right to call out crass and pints tidally racist comments, but do a better job of educating people about what is actually going on, rather than pointing fingers and screaming racists.

Nowadays I think a lot of this "reminding in subtle ways" is more UH fans taking offense to comments that are not even remotely racist (I've had UH fans try and tell me the Cougar High chant is racist because it refers to UH integrating first, and that is not what it refers to) or to people being ignorant of the context of their comments, and what is being implied. I can tell you from personal experience, current Rice students don't look down on UH because of its ethnic make up, or it's historical place with regards to race issues, but they like to make fun of it for its academics in relation to Rice.

(09-13-2014 11:34 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 09:51 AM)Burpelson Wrote:  The 7-11 pic is a very racist remark which referenced UH fans holding up and robbing 7-11 stores while traveling to the cotton bowl way back in the day.

Most telling is that the 7-Eleven remark came from the long-time Executive Director of the Cotton Bowl, Hoss Brock. It went something like this: When discussing the prospect of Houston earning a berth in the Cotton Bowl, Brock looked down on the economic impact of Cougar fans by saying "half of the U of H fans will eat at a 7-Eleven, and the other half will rob one".

A few years ago, I'd found and posted a link to a story (in Sports Illustrated, IIRC) about this incident ... but I can't find it now. This 1988 Sports Illustrated profile say nothing about it.

After his death in 2008, ESPN's Ivan Maisel wrote a gushing tribute to Brock's "hospitality" with only a scant illusion to the dark side of his Old South demeanor: "In 1992, the upright citizens of the Cotton Bowl Executive Committee took the Cotton Bowl away from Brock. The decision roughly coincided with the breakup of Brock's marriage. The Cotton Bowl officials never said that Brock's behavior had become an embarrassment to them."

This online tribute is typical ... except that it did attract a comment from a UH alum.

The other aspect to Brock's "joke" is that it wasn't original to him. The "half their fans eat at 7-11 and the other half rob them" line came from one of Dan Jenkins's novels and didn't refer to UH, but Brock apparently thought the shoe fit....

(09-15-2014 11:05 PM)Jonathan Sadow Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:34 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 09:51 AM)Burpelson Wrote:  The 7-11 pic is a very racist remark which referenced UH fans holding up and robbing 7-11 stores while traveling to the cotton bowl way back in the day.

Most telling is that the 7-Eleven remark came from the long-time Executive Director of the Cotton Bowl, Hoss Brock. It went something like this: When discussing the prospect of Houston earning a berth in the Cotton Bowl, Brock looked down on the economic impact of Cougar fans by saying "half of the U of H fans will eat at a 7-Eleven, and the other half will rob one".

A few years ago, I'd found and posted a link to a story (in Sports Illustrated, IIRC) about this incident ... but I can't find it now. This 1988 Sports Illustrated profile say nothing about it.

After his death in 2008, ESPN's Ivan Maisel wrote a gushing tribute to Brock's "hospitality" with only a scant illusion to the dark side of his Old South demeanor: "In 1992, the upright citizens of the Cotton Bowl Executive Committee took the Cotton Bowl away from Brock. The decision roughly coincided with the breakup of Brock's marriage. The Cotton Bowl officials never said that Brock's behavior had become an embarrassment to them."

This online tribute is typical ... except that it did attract a comment from a UH alum.

The other aspect to Brock's "joke" is that it wasn't original to him. The "half their fans eat at 7-11 and the other half rob them" line came from one of Dan Jenkins's novels and didn't refer to UH, but Brock apparently thought the shoe fit....

I don't have the book on hand, but possibly you're thinking of the same passage cited in this 2004 Chicago Tribune article: "In Dan Jenkins' (1984) novel 'Way Out of Bounds; Life Its Ownself,' a Texas Christian booster suggests buying a recruit his own 7-Eleven 'so he can rob it anytime he wants to.' " More recently, a Facebook poster Kevin McCarthy said it was the character Big Ed Bookman saying: "Buy him his own damn 7/11 and tell him he can rob it anytime he wants to!"

Jenkins is a TCU alum and long-time Fort Worth sportswriter, and Brock was once a TCU SID.

To avoid making a slam at TCU, Jenkins was being ironic in this passage from the novel. He was spoofing the idea that athletic prowess can override the need for character. There was really no excuse for Brock because that statement about UH denigrated a school that was going to be in the Cotton Bowl game.

(09-16-2014 01:05 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 11:05 PM)Jonathan Sadow Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:34 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 09:51 AM)Burpelson Wrote:  The 7-11 pic is a very racist remark which referenced UH fans holding up and robbing 7-11 stores while traveling to the cotton bowl way back in the day.

Most telling is that the 7-Eleven remark came from the long-time Executive Director of the Cotton Bowl, Hoss Brock. It went something like this: When discussing the prospect of Houston earning a berth in the Cotton Bowl, Brock looked down on the economic impact of Cougar fans by saying "half of the U of H fans will eat at a 7-Eleven, and the other half will rob one".

A few years ago, I'd found and posted a link to a story (in Sports Illustrated, IIRC) about this incident ... but I can't find it now. This 1988 Sports Illustrated profile say nothing about it.

After his death in 2008, ESPN's Ivan Maisel wrote a gushing tribute to Brock's "hospitality" with only a scant illusion to the dark side of his Old South demeanor: "In 1992, the upright citizens of the Cotton Bowl Executive Committee took the Cotton Bowl away from Brock. The decision roughly coincided with the breakup of Brock's marriage. The Cotton Bowl officials never said that Brock's behavior had become an embarrassment to them."

This online tribute is typical ... except that it did attract a comment from a UH alum.

The other aspect to Brock's "joke" is that it wasn't original to him. The "half their fans eat at 7-11 and the other half rob them" line came from one of Dan Jenkins's novels and didn't refer to UH, but Brock apparently thought the shoe fit....

I don't have the book on hand, but possibly you're thinking of the same passage cited in this 2004 Chicago Tribune article: "In Dan Jenkins' (1984) novel 'Way Out of Bounds; Life Its Ownself,' a Texas Christian booster suggests buying a recruit his own 7-Eleven 'so he can rob it anytime he wants to.' " More recently, a Facebook poster Kevin McCarthy said it was the character Big Ed Bookman saying: "Buy him his own damn 7/11 and tell him he can rob it anytime he wants to!"

Jenkins is a TCU alum and long-time Fort Worth sportswriter, and Brock was once a TCU SID.