(09-15-2014 08:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 05:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  First, if BYU doesn't like it, let them join a conference. INDEPENDENT means that you're on your own...you don't share with anyone nor does anyone have your back.

Second, they need to drop this "Go5 access" thing. Either a team belongs there or they don't. And frankly, at this point of the season, NO...not a single one...team from any of these "non power" conferences belongs in this playoff consideration. If one of our teams...Cincinnati, let's say... Wins their way in, then fine. But why should the possibility even exist for a three-loss team from the AAC or CUSA to go to a major bowl just because they're from a smaller conference while a more deserving team has to sit out? It's just plain wrong and it's patronizing.

Why I miss the BCS system to be honest. It inspired non BCS conferences to strive for excellence and it made those BCS bowls so much more special.

But I agree. There is not a single G5 team right now that deserves to be in any type of big time bowl. Even if someone like ECU went undefeated for the rest of their games and finished with wins over Virginia Tech, and North Carolina they don't belong on the field with a top ten team.

An ECU team with wins @VaTech, UNC, @UCF, and @UC, and whose only loss was @South Carolina WOULD be worthy... They would have won their way in there.

That's my point.

(09-15-2014 08:57 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 05:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  First, if BYU doesn't like it, let them join a conference. INDEPENDENT means that you're on your own...you don't share with anyone nor does anyone have your back.

Second, they need to drop this "Go5 access" thing. Either a team belongs there or they don't. And frankly, at this point of the season, NO...not a single one...team from any of these "non power" conferences belongs in this playoff consideration. If one of our teams...Cincinnati, let's say... Wins their way in, then fine. But why should the possibility even exist for a three-loss team from the AAC or CUSA to go to a major bowl just because they're from a smaller conference while a more deserving team has to sit out? It's just plain wrong and it's patronizing.

Why I miss the BCS system to be honest. It inspired non BCS conferences to strive for excellence and it made those BCS bowls so much more special.

But I agree. There is not a single G5 team right now that deserves to be in any type of big time bowl. Even if someone like ECU went undefeated for the rest of their games and finished with wins over Virginia Tech, and North Carolina they don't belong on the field with a top ten team.

An ECU team with wins @VaTech, UNC, @UCF, and @UC, and whose only loss was @South Carolina WOULD be worthy... They would have won their way in there.

That's my point.

His point is that even an ECU team with those wins still probably isn't a top ten team. The only win over a ranked team is Virginia Tech, who you'll notice isn't ranked anymore. It's the resume of a #17 or whatever, but not a #7.

(09-15-2014 10:07 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:57 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 05:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  First, if BYU doesn't like it, let them join a conference. INDEPENDENT means that you're on your own...you don't share with anyone nor does anyone have your back.

Second, they need to drop this "Go5 access" thing. Either a team belongs there or they don't. And frankly, at this point of the season, NO...not a single one...team from any of these "non power" conferences belongs in this playoff consideration. If one of our teams...Cincinnati, let's say... Wins their way in, then fine. But why should the possibility even exist for a three-loss team from the AAC or CUSA to go to a major bowl just because they're from a smaller conference while a more deserving team has to sit out? It's just plain wrong and it's patronizing.

Why I miss the BCS system to be honest. It inspired non BCS conferences to strive for excellence and it made those BCS bowls so much more special.

But I agree. There is not a single G5 team right now that deserves to be in any type of big time bowl. Even if someone like ECU went undefeated for the rest of their games and finished with wins over Virginia Tech, and North Carolina they don't belong on the field with a top ten team.

An ECU team with wins @VaTech, UNC, @UCF, and @UC, and whose only loss was @South Carolina WOULD be worthy... They would have won their way in there.

That's my point.

His point is that even an ECU team with those wins still probably isn't a top ten team. The only win over a ranked team is Virginia Tech, who you'll notice isn't ranked anymore. It's the resume of a #17 or whatever, but not a #7.

In recent years- it would have been higher than #17. it's better than what UCF had last year quite frankly.

(09-15-2014 10:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 10:07 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:57 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 05:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  First, if BYU doesn't like it, let them join a conference. INDEPENDENT means that you're on your own...you don't share with anyone nor does anyone have your back.

Second, they need to drop this "Go5 access" thing. Either a team belongs there or they don't. And frankly, at this point of the season, NO...not a single one...team from any of these "non power" conferences belongs in this playoff consideration. If one of our teams...Cincinnati, let's say... Wins their way in, then fine. But why should the possibility even exist for a three-loss team from the AAC or CUSA to go to a major bowl just because they're from a smaller conference while a more deserving team has to sit out? It's just plain wrong and it's patronizing.

Why I miss the BCS system to be honest. It inspired non BCS conferences to strive for excellence and it made those BCS bowls so much more special.

But I agree. There is not a single G5 team right now that deserves to be in any type of big time bowl. Even if someone like ECU went undefeated for the rest of their games and finished with wins over Virginia Tech, and North Carolina they don't belong on the field with a top ten team.

An ECU team with wins @VaTech, UNC, @UCF, and @UC, and whose only loss was @South Carolina WOULD be worthy... They would have won their way in there.

That's my point.

His point is that even an ECU team with those wins still probably isn't a top ten team. The only win over a ranked team is Virginia Tech, who you'll notice isn't ranked anymore. It's the resume of a #17 or whatever, but not a #7.

In recent years- it would have been higher than #17. it's better than what UCF had last year quite frankly.

I have the wikipedia page open, and no it's not. UCF beat #8 Louisville @ Louisville. That was their ticket into the top 20. ECU doesn't have that on their schedule.

(09-15-2014 08:57 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 05:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  First, if BYU doesn't like it, let them join a conference. INDEPENDENT means that you're on your own...you don't share with anyone nor does anyone have your back.

Second, they need to drop this "Go5 access" thing. Either a team belongs there or they don't. And frankly, at this point of the season, NO...not a single one...team from any of these "non power" conferences belongs in this playoff consideration. If one of our teams...Cincinnati, let's say... Wins their way in, then fine. But why should the possibility even exist for a three-loss team from the AAC or CUSA to go to a major bowl just because they're from a smaller conference while a more deserving team has to sit out? It's just plain wrong and it's patronizing.

Why I miss the BCS system to be honest. It inspired non BCS conferences to strive for excellence and it made those BCS bowls so much more special.

But I agree. There is not a single G5 team right now that deserves to be in any type of big time bowl. Even if someone like ECU went undefeated for the rest of their games and finished with wins over Virginia Tech, and North Carolina they don't belong on the field with a top ten team.

An ECU team with wins @VaTech, UNC, @UCF, and @UC, and whose only loss was @South Carolina WOULD be worthy... They would have won their way in there.

That's my point.

You seriously do not think there wouldn't be some P5 team - a team that doesn't make a major bowl because of the G5 spot rule-that would be more accomplished than that ECU team?

I find that very unlikely. Some more deserving P5 will get shut out in favor of whatever G5 gets in.

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Louisville end of the season finished #18. VT could easily finish better than that. Also- ECU has a lot more depth on the schedule than UCF had. for one, UCF didn't play Cincy last year, the #3 team in the conference. ECU gets UCF and Cincy this year.

(09-15-2014 05:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 05:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 05:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 04:58 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 03:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  But .... is the committee itself that creates the rankings, they do not have to follow a BCS-type formula, the AP poll, or any poll done by anyone else.

So will there be transparency to this committee rankings?

There is some, in that the committee will be meeting and publishing its rankings on a weekly basis starting with the middle of the season. But in the end, for the final decisive rankings, it will be behind closed doors like the NCAA selection committee.

But yes, they will have a hard time explaining why if BYU is #8 in their penultimate ranking, wins but gets dropped to #10 moving a P5 school up to #8. My guess is that they will never allow a BYU to get that high.

I don't think the committee will have animus towards BYU. If BYU wins but drops 8-10, it probably would be because they played a soft final opponent, while the P5 school that moves up won a big conference title game against a ranked opponent.

BYU's soft schedule will hurt them far more than any animus. I mean, their last four games are against Middle Tennessee, UNLV, Savannah State, and Cal. It's hard to impress anyone against those opponents.

Why did you leave out Texas?

(09-15-2014 10:07 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:57 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 05:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  First, if BYU doesn't like it, let them join a conference. INDEPENDENT means that you're on your own...you don't share with anyone nor does anyone have your back.

Second, they need to drop this "Go5 access" thing. Either a team belongs there or they don't. And frankly, at this point of the season, NO...not a single one...team from any of these "non power" conferences belongs in this playoff consideration. If one of our teams...Cincinnati, let's say... Wins their way in, then fine. But why should the possibility even exist for a three-loss team from the AAC or CUSA to go to a major bowl just because they're from a smaller conference while a more deserving team has to sit out? It's just plain wrong and it's patronizing.

Why I miss the BCS system to be honest. It inspired non BCS conferences to strive for excellence and it made those BCS bowls so much more special.

But I agree. There is not a single G5 team right now that deserves to be in any type of big time bowl. Even if someone like ECU went undefeated for the rest of their games and finished with wins over Virginia Tech, and North Carolina they don't belong on the field with a top ten team.

An ECU team with wins @VaTech, UNC, @UCF, and @UC, and whose only loss was @South Carolina WOULD be worthy... They would have won their way in there.

That's my point.

His point is that even an ECU team with those wins still probably isn't a top ten team. The only win over a ranked team is Virginia Tech, who you'll notice isn't ranked anymore. It's the resume of a #17 or whatever, but not a #7.

Exactly. I think if ECU went undefeated the rest of the team they would be a strong team with a strong resume.

But if you put ECU next too a team like FSU, Alabama, Oregon, OU, Auburn, ECU would be outmatched on every front.

UCF did so well because UCF had elite players at key positions. And also had a very experienced group of WR's and a good defense. No offense, but ECU does not have that nor does UCF this year.

(09-15-2014 10:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:57 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 08:34 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 05:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  First, if BYU doesn't like it, let them join a conference. INDEPENDENT means that you're on your own...you don't share with anyone nor does anyone have your back.

Second, they need to drop this "Go5 access" thing. Either a team belongs there or they don't. And frankly, at this point of the season, NO...not a single one...team from any of these "non power" conferences belongs in this playoff consideration. If one of our teams...Cincinnati, let's say... Wins their way in, then fine. But why should the possibility even exist for a three-loss team from the AAC or CUSA to go to a major bowl just because they're from a smaller conference while a more deserving team has to sit out? It's just plain wrong and it's patronizing.

Why I miss the BCS system to be honest. It inspired non BCS conferences to strive for excellence and it made those BCS bowls so much more special.

But I agree. There is not a single G5 team right now that deserves to be in any type of big time bowl. Even if someone like ECU went undefeated for the rest of their games and finished with wins over Virginia Tech, and North Carolina they don't belong on the field with a top ten team.

An ECU team with wins @VaTech, UNC, @UCF, and @UC, and whose only loss was @South Carolina WOULD be worthy... They would have won their way in there.

That's my point.

You seriously do not think there wouldn't be some P5 team - a team that doesn't make a major bowl because of the G5 spot rule-that would be more accomplished than that ECU team?

I find that very unlikely. Some more deserving P5 will get shut out in favor of whatever G5 gets in.

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So what? It's not a system designed to place the top 12 teams into the top 6 bowls. Undeserving P5 teams are just as likely to keep a higher ranked team out of the major bowls as any G5 team is. It's happened in the past with the BCS, and contract bowl agreements and the requirement to have every P5 champion represented will ensure it happens again in the new system. #15 Syracuse (98-99), #22 Stanford (99-00), #17 Purdue (00-01), #14 FSU (02-03), #21 Pitt (04-05), #22 FSU (05-06), #14 Wake Forest (06-07), #19 Virginia Tech (08-09), unranked UConn (10-11), #23 WVU (11-12), #15 Clemson (11-12), unranked Wisconsin (12-13), #21 Louisville (12-13), and #15 UCF (13-14) have played in BCS games sending higher ranked teams to lesser bowls. If the season ended today, based on the current rankings, #22 Clemson would be in the Orange Bowl. A Big 10 team will be there even if none deserve it at season's end. If you want to throw out the G5 requirement, then throw out the contract bowl deals and the P5 requirements.

A one loss ECU likely gets the spot. Marshalls schedule is horrid and everyone on the committee knows that.