(09-14-2014 09:19 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 08:34 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  I had my butt sparked plenty when I was little. If you see the pictures of this 4 year old.....yes, 4 year old, and can still think that Peterson was justified then I pray for any of your kids. Spanking is fine....this just went beyond spanking. I don't think he should go to jail or anything but there should be consequences for this type beating. Streaks and bruises all over the kids legs...hell, he even caught the kids balls a few times. This is a 4 year old that received such punishment.


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And when he is 24 most likely he will not have a criminal record or running the streets. If he is old enough to get into trouble and possibly hurt himself at 4 then he can be taught right from wrong at 4.

There are plenty of people with criminal records who got the switch when they were younger. I suspect in the south, the large majority of them did.

I remember actually getting the switch, and testing it to see if a) would it pass muster and b) how bad it would hurt.

I must have looked like a fool out in the yard hitting myself with a switch.

(09-14-2014 10:40 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  we always had to go pick the switch

and normally it was from a peach tree

long and narrow, so it would produce nice whelps on the legs

(whelp, a raised area on the skin)

I so remember hearing "go grab me a switch"....that was the worst part. Having to find your own switch. Gave plenty of time to think on what you had done.


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A switch on bare skin is unacceptable.

I'll admit that I'm fortunate to have kids who were susceptible to my "bluff" when they were toddlers, but I could never hit my kids with anything.

AP may have taken too many hits to the head.

(09-15-2014 09:50 AM)Phillip26r Wrote:  A switch on bare skin is unacceptable.

I'll admit that I'm fortunate to have kids who were susceptible to my "bluff" when they were toddlers, but I could never hit my kids with anything.

AP may have taken too many hits to the head.

Old Bill Cosby Comedy album "to my brother, Russell, with whom I Slept"

Cosby's Father to his sons: "do you want me to get THE BELT"

Cosby: "No Dad, please don't get the belt."

Cosby (as narrator): We had never seen THE BELT...but we had heard about it. THE BELT was nine feet long, eight feet wide, and had hooks on it...and will rip the meat off your body if it ever hit you."

Just so everyone is clear what we're talking about was done to a four year old child.

I'll leave this from Cris Carter as well

Quote:"My mom did the best job she could do raising seven kids by herself, but there are thousands of things that I have learned since then that my mom was wrong," he said. "It's the 21st century - my mom was wrong. She did the best she could but she was wrong about some of that stuff she taught me and I promised my kids I won't teach that mess to them."

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/cris-carter...d=25493942

And those pictures were a week later.

Talk about media spin....
One report that I read describes Peterson beating his son with a "tree branch".
Technically, a switch would be a tree branch, but it was probably an 1/8" diameter tree branch. That's like saying a Red Ryder bb-gun is a rifle firing a high-velocity metal projectile.

Or is it that many people really don't know what a "switch" is? Hard to imagine.

This goes beyond discipline, in my opinion.

It wasn't a cool head that contemplated this. AP ought to seek some medical help for his anger.

I respectfully disagree with Mr Carter that somehow this being the 21st Century changes the fact that "spare the rod, spoil the child" has become obsolete.
My girlfriend has a 5 year old that has on numerous times deserved punishment and it was given by his mom successfully. His niece, who just turned 5, has never been punished and it is obvious when you watch the two which is undisciplined.
The level of disrespect in today's youth is amazing. My sister was a former teacher in the Atlanta school system. She quit when she was threatened with a knife by a elementary student. She was told she was not even allowed to raise her voice to her students as this might damage their emotional well-being. It is crazy where we are heading as a nation.

There's a debate to be had about the efficacy of corporal punishment. Discipline =/= beating a child so heavily that you draw blood.

I agree with what you're saying about disrespectful youth, but we can't sit idly by and let four year old kids get striped like this under the guise of discipline. AP casts an imposing enough impression, as does any man old enough to bear children, to set straight a four year old without drawing blood.

I really don't know why people are so confused about this. This isn't about a spanking with a switch. This is about a beating of a 4yr old child by his dad. No problem at all with spanking a kid. No problem with spanking a 4yr old although at that age a simple swat on the behind will do. I've known some moms that carry a 12" glue stick with them for this purpose. It's the degree of the beating and the fact that this was done on a 4yr old boy. If Peterson swatted him once or hit him softly with a switch fine. But it appears that he hit him multiple times with a lot of force.

While I do agree that his beating was excessive, I hear too many people are using this as an example of how corporal punishment should be permanently banned.

Maybe I am wrong, but I would rather side with AP than with the voices that are saying it should be banned and AP should serve jail time for this "savage beating".

And what is the age that this is allowed? Is it because he was 4? What about 5, 6 or 7?

(09-15-2014 01:34 PM)mairving Wrote:  I really don't know why people are so confused about this. This isn't about a spanking with a switch. This is about a beating of a 4yr old child by his dad. No problem at all with spanking a kid. No problem with spanking a 4yr old although at that age a simple swat on the behind will do. I've known some moms that carry a 12" glue stick with them for this purpose. It's the degree of the beating and the fact that this was done on a 4yr old boy. If Peterson swatted him once or hit him softly with a switch fine. But it appears that he hit him multiple times with a lot of force.

This is it. He did not spank or swat the kid, he simply beat him. Go and look at the pictures that were taken a week or so after the actual hits occurred. He clearly was very likely in a fit of rage and just swinging rather aimlessly, as evident by the marks on his legs, back, arms, and even scrotum, not to mention forcing the kid to put leaves in his mouth as he beat him. This went well beyond normal disciplinary spanking... I have been spanked multiple times with a switch and never came away looking anything even close to what that poor child looked like.

(09-15-2014 01:21 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  I respectfully disagree with Mr Carter that somehow this being the 21st Century changes the fact that "spare the rod, spoil the child" has become obsolete.
My girlfriend has a 5 year old that has on numerous times deserved punishment and it was given by his mom successfully. His niece, who just turned 5, has never been punished and it is obvious when you watch the two which is undisciplined.
The level of disrespect in today's youth is amazing. My sister was a former teacher in the Atlanta school system. She quit when she was threatened with a knife by a elementary student. She was told she was not even allowed to raise her voice to her students as this might damage their emotional well-being. It is crazy where we are heading as a nation.

I don't think many folks are saying discipline is unnecessary but that, in this case, it went too far.


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I am not talking specifically with most people in this thread, rather what some agendas are being pushed by people using this situation.

Once again, to those that object because it was a 4 year old, at what age is it ok?

(09-15-2014 02:22 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  I am not talking specifically with most people in this thread, rather what some agendas are being pushed by people using this situation.

Once again, to those that object because it was a 4 year old, at what age is it ok?

To beat a child so heavily that you draw blood? Let's go with never.

So, what is the level that is too harsh. One hit might draw blood given the location of the hit and the next time not.

Once again, I am just trying to understand (and honestly so) is it the age (once again, if so what is the age that is ok for corporal punishment) and the fact that it drew blood (while welts or redness is justifiable, or not).

Sorry, not attacking anyone or their points of view.

UofMCamaro, I would agree with your last post. I do not agree that he deserves to serve jail time. Just my opinion though.

It appears (to me at least) that this case goes beyond the pale. The tweets that are allegedly from AP are pretty damning.

We tend to go through 3 stages of behavior:
1. Please our parents because we know it'll hurt if we don't;
2. Please our parents because it's in our best interest to do so;
3. Please our parents because we honor them.

Going too easy or too hard in stage 1 usually means the child will never reach a well-adjusted stage 3.

I predict AP will be crucified for this case. The media is fully invested in taking down the NFL right now.