(09-11-2014 04:33 AM)IberianPanther Wrote:  Yinzer,

You might remember that Mark Madden (local radio sports bloward) wrote a column in the Beaver County Times in April 2011 titled 'Sandusky a State secret' - about 6 months before the indictments against Sandusky in November - about the grand jury investigation investigation IIRC.

Unfortunately, that column is now behind a paywall.

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sp...f6878.html

It was common knowledge in SC well before it broke nationally. I was shocked that ESPN never picked it up.

(09-11-2014 09:28 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  You're missing the forest through the trees.

So then refocus it toward the football players on the teams under the bowl bans and scholarship restrictions, or those who were put up as open season with the free transfer thing. Why was it their cross to bear again?

This was quite a week for the crazies at PSU. The Paterno suit is green-lighted.

Essentially, those documents exchanged between PSU and the Freeh Report folks? They aren't as protected as they once were.

You might see ALL of the punishments wiped away now, folks. Including the vacating of wins. No way does the NCAA and PSU allow this to go to trial.

Kaboom.

(09-08-2014 02:27 PM)mlb Wrote:  Still a load of crap. They should have been given the death penalty as there was an obvious loss of institutional control in Happy Valley.

I think when the penalties were handed down TPTB considered them a de facto death penalty. Remember, the players were free agents until the opening of the next season, other schools were allowed to go over the 85 player limit to sign them and the transfers could play immediately at the new school. That, the four year bowl ban and the crippling scholarship limits should have made the program crumble. Which I'm sure is what TPTB wanted and expected.

It is only because of the leadership of Michael Mauti, Michael Zordich and Bill O'Brien that the majority of the players stayed at Penn State after news of the scandal came out. It is to their credit that the recruiting class didn't totally collapse. Then, miraculously, O'Brien was able to keep Christian Hackenberg and Adam Breneman in the next class after news of the penalties came out, keeping that class mostly intact. No one could have imagined that happening. The program should have been signing MAC level players, if that. Players that would normally be walk ons should have been filling the scholarships.

It's not that the penalties weren't harsh enough, it's just that one group of young men remained loyal against all odds and another group saw something in Penn State that went beyond bowls and conference championships. No one that I know predicted that happening. Instead, most predictions had Penn State being crippled for ten to twenty years.

To add one more "sound bite" from July 2012...many said, "The sanctions PSU have been given are WORSE than the death penalty because when all the current players leave PSU willl be a 1-11 program at best...and then those empty 107,000 seats will put the program in such a terrible light that enough decent players will never want to go there to rebuild."

Joe4psu is right.

(09-08-2014 02:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:51 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Guess the Big 10 wanted to try and make sure they have enough bowl teams.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-bowl-game

Honestly, this is OK with me. PSU has paid enough.

I agree as well. The kids on the field and the present coaches, along with the everyday "Joe Fan" had no part in any of the crimes. The school administration had to pay the huge fine for incompetence and a criminal cover up. Money stings, and good for that. Let's try to move on.

(09-11-2014 12:07 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 09:28 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  You're missing the forest through the trees.

So then refocus it toward the football players on the teams under the bowl bans and scholarship restrictions, or those who were put up as open season with the free transfer thing. Why was it their cross to bear again?

Why do people who unknowingly buy stolen art have to give it back?

Anyway, who was "put up as open season?" None of the players had to transfer. They were simply given the power to transfer without having to pay a price. They came out ahead.

As for the bowl bands and scholarship reductions, I don't see the harm. The current players were given the right to transfer. If they didn't like playing for PSU after the sanctions, they didn't have to put up with it. The same goes for the HS players who signed after the fact. They knew what they were getting into. If they weren't OK with it, there's a whole host of schools in the midatlantic that they could have gone to.

PSU cheated, or at the very least benefitted for illegal and unethical behavior that directly conflicted with the founding purpose of the NCAA. That's a fact. PSU isn't special. Just like every other school that cheats and breaks the law, State should face NCAA sanction to correct the inappropriate behavior/insufficient safety systems/controls, and State/individuals associated with PSU should face state and federal judicial sanctions to as a result of broken state and federal laws.

Let this be a lesson to all you kids out there. You can lie, break the law and cover it up. even in the unlikely event you get caught the punishment wont be too bad. Afterall there is money that needs to be made

(09-13-2014 02:33 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 12:07 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 09:28 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  You're missing the forest through the trees.

So then refocus it toward the football players on the teams under the bowl bans and scholarship restrictions, or those who were put up as open season with the free transfer thing. Why was it their cross to bear again?

Why do people who unknowingly buy stolen art have to give it back?

Anyway, who was "put up as open season?" None of the players had to transfer. They were simply given the power to transfer without having to pay a price. They came out ahead.

As for the bowl bands and scholarship reductions, I don't see the harm. The current players were given the right to transfer. If they didn't like playing for PSU after the sanctions, they didn't have to put up with it. The same goes for the HS players who signed after the fact. They knew what they were getting into. If they weren't OK with it, there's a whole host of schools in the midatlantic that they could have gone to.

PSU cheated, or at the very least benefitted for illegal and unethical behavior that directly conflicted with the founding purpose of the NCAA. That's a fact. PSU isn't special. Just like every other school that cheats and breaks the law, State should face NCAA sanction to correct the inappropriate behavior/insufficient safety systems/controls, and State/individuals associated with PSU should face state and federal judicial sanctions to as a result of broken state and federal laws.

Ever buy art from a legit gallery?

The punishment was longer than two years. Let the kids walk penalty-free anytime therein.

And read up on what Illinois was trying to do when the hammer dropped. Again, it's ok to be harassed or stalked like that?

The court just sided on the Paterno's end of their lawsuit, moving it forward, and the DoE hasn't reached its decision. So, all the scaling back? Not a compelling case that the NCAA had a bone in this one...just pressure from the masses to make them think they did.

Mind you, I think PSU deserved something, but the NCAA made this worse with their own negligence.

(09-08-2014 02:38 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 02:22 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:58 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  They still have to pay a $60M fine (which now gets to stay in PA) and will have several lawsuits from victims. It's not a vindication of anything, other than maybe the NCAA overstepped their bounds a little.

It's a vindication of those that believe the NCAA has no business in overseeing or enforcing issues of institutional control.

Maybe so, but someone has to police the institutions that fail to police themselves. What happened at Penn St should never ever be allowed to happen again, whether the NCAA oversteps its bounds or not.

Regardless, the timing of this is suspicious at best. What a sick day for sports.

Not at all. Anyone that pays attention knows the Mitchell report was due and the NCAA makes the changes after Mitchell's recommendations. Same thing happened last year when we were granted some of the scholarships returned.

(09-13-2014 01:17 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  To add one more "sound bite" from July 2012...many said, "The sanctions PSU have been given are WORSE than the death penalty because when all the current players leave PSU willl be a 1-11 program at best...and then those empty 107,000 seats will put the program in such a terrible light that enough decent players will never want to go there to rebuild."

Joe4psu is right.

I actually have to agree with this. The punishment was basically the death penalty. Just so happened the electric chair shorted out.

(09-15-2014 09:35 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 01:17 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  To add one more "sound bite" from July 2012...many said, "The sanctions PSU have been given are WORSE than the death penalty because when all the current players leave PSU willl be a 1-11 program at best...and then those empty 107,000 seats will put the program in such a terrible light that enough decent players will never want to go there to rebuild."

Joe4psu is right.

I actually have to agree with this. The punishment was basically the death penalty. Just so happened the electric chair shorted out.

Sorry, but it is nowhere near a death penalty. Just ask SMU fans what a death penalty is all about. No football for 3 years is very very much more destructive than what Penn State got.

That said, the penalties against P.S.U. should not have been imposed at all from the standpoint of athletics. The NCAA should have considered a lack of institutional control issue and perhaps the usual sanctions that go along with it. But the State of Pennsylvania should have sought conspiracy and accessory after the fact charges against all members of the administration who were proven to have had knowledge of Sandusky's offenses and yet were not forthcoming to law enforcement. What happened at Penn State was a crime with apparent multiple offenses. All subsequent actions to suppress what was considered to be a scandal also constituted criminal activity. The question that hangs in the air begging an answer is why it has not been seriously treated as a crime beyond just Sandusky himself?

I believe that when this happens Penn State can heal and unify. Somebody in government in Pennsylvania wants a lid on this.

Agree. This is dirty politics...and most people bought the "JoePa" scapegoat smokescreen by the governor and the Board of Trustees for PSU (at least...probably many other powerful people too).

We'll see what happens with the various trials...first of President Spanier, AD Curley, and Campus Police Schultz...and then the Paternos vs. NCAA. The sanctions may be over but the story is not.

(P.S. People SAID that PSU's penalties were worse than the death penalty because everyone expected the entire roster to transfer out (especially the younger guys with bright futures). SMU's actual ban was only one year though...the school ended up suspending the program for two...but that wasn't NCAA mandated. For the record. Obviously, PSU's sanctions hardly had the same results as SMU's....PSU had better records the past two years than Texas, Florida, and Michigan!)

http://www.centredaily.com/2014/09/15/43....html?rh=1

The disgusting cult marches on, shitting in the face of abuse victims across the globe.

(09-16-2014 10:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  http://www.centredaily.com/2014/09/15/43....html?rh=1

The disgusting cult marches on, shitting in the face of abuse victims across the globe.

(09-15-2014 10:33 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  Agree. This is dirty politics...and most people bought the "JoePa" scapegoat smokescreen by the governor and the Board of Trustees for PSU (at least...probably many other powerful people too).

We'll see what happens with the various trials...first of President Spanier, AD Curley, and Campus Police Schultz...and then the Paternos vs. NCAA. The sanctions may be over but the story is not.

(P.S. People SAID that PSU's penalties were worse than the death penalty because everyone expected the entire roster to transfer out (especially the younger guys with bright futures). SMU's actual ban was only one year though...the school ended up suspending the program for two...but that wasn't NCAA mandated. For the record. Obviously, PSU's sanctions hardly had the same results as SMU's....PSU had better records the past two years than Texas, Florida, and Michigan!)

In SMU's case the NCAA mandated the second year have no home games, so instead of fielding a program that would only suck down costs and provide zero revenue, the school shut it down for a second year.

This is somewhat OT (it isn't related to athletics), but PSU is getting rocked by another scandal that involves a lack of transparency.

http://abovethelaw.com/2014/09/cheating-...l-lawsuit/

I know this is just one scandal of one school out of many different administrative departments that cover many different campuses. However, I believe that, when it's put in the context of all the other scandals that have happened at PSU recently, it's part of a greater trend. IMHO, PSU has an atmosphere that isn't conducive to transparency or the creation and dissemination of knowledge. I don't think that it's confined to the athletic programs, but I do think that cleaning up the AD would have been a start. I would like to see significant and far-reaching changes across all departments (athletic, academic, and administrative). Unfortunately, I don't think that meaningful changes have happened at PSU and I doubt that they will. There's too much denial.