Dear Bob Wickersham,
Do you read with any comprehension? Your follower scaggie, presents misrepresentations and when I present the facts, you commend him by saying he is speaking the truth. Wow!
Bob you need to read more carefully. The original statement from Coach Creighton was that Bell had a better completion record, both in practice and in games played so far. Why can't you believe that? Go on the Eastern website and check out the passing statistics if you don't want to believe me.
I also said I have no preference in who plays at quarterback. You obviously do, and that is fine, but I just can't understand your willingness to challenge the facts, and call the coaches liars. I will not be making any excuses if Eastern loses the game this Saturday, but you will probably pile it on if they do.

From what I have seen through two games it looks as though Roback has been a better quarterback than Bell and clearly throws a better ball. Despite what this early season has shown, it still isn't enough evidence for me to question Creighton's ability as a coach. I'm not at practice so I trust that what the coaches are seeing in practice will determine who and how much everyone should play. CC wants to turn this program around as much as all on this forum want him to turn it around. He is not going to cut off his nose to spite his face, so which QB plays I trust is based on who the coaches see give us the best chance to win.

In regards to the Wr's, this is probably the weakest group of receivers of the last 20 years. Creel is a quality possession receiver and Russell gives us a good TE target but who can stretch the defense right now? I hope our freshmen Jones and Harris develop into big play receivers over the next few years because right now we don't have any. The depth of our receivers may be the most neglected position under English's era of recruiting.

(09-11-2014 10:06 AM)EMU03 Wrote:  From what I have seen through two games it looks as though Roback has been a better quarterback than Bell and clearly throws a better ball. Despite what this early season has shown, it still isn't enough evidence for me to question Creighton's ability as a coach. I'm not at practice so I trust that what the coaches are seeing in practice will determine who and how much everyone should play. CC wants to turn this program around as much as all on this forum want him to turn it around. He is not going to cut off his nose to spite his face, so which QB plays I trust is based on who the coaches see give us the best chance to win.

In regards to the Wr's, this is probably the weakest group of receivers of the last 20 years. Creel is a quality possession receiver and Russell gives us a good TE target but who can stretch the defense right now? I hope our freshmen Jones and Harris develop into big play receivers over the next few years because right now we don't have any. The depth of our receivers may be the most neglected position under English's era of recruiting.

Excellent post.

I don't understand why WRs has been so bad, BUT, didn't we lose one to death, another shortly there after left EMU return home to Illinois and now both Joneses...

Our WRs roster have been depleted by some very unfortunate circumstances...

In collegiate sports there are no Toledo Mud Hens... The best CC could have done was go JUCO, but he didn't know he'd have to replace both Jones who could have both started for us.

Something does seem strange that Bell is still the starter. I may not be a coach, but I've seen hundreds of QBs. Bell does not look like a QB. I don't mean his appearance, but his actions. He could become one, but he isn't now. Roback looks like a QB, he's more confident, decisive and has a much better arm.

I belive Bell should be learning or moved to another postion. He is clearly an exceptional athlete, but that doesn't include his arm.

We've had success before moving other players to WR. Two QBs I can think of are Tyler Jones and that kid from Canada. Okay, so I can't think of his name, but he played in the CFL. But both were very successful. We also had a player named Chris Roberson who moved from RB to WR and later to CB. He was a good receiver. And look what Gilette did hanging on with the Packers as a WR.

But more in addition to WRs we need a QB who can get them the ball downfield. It doesn't look like Bell can.

Why is Creighton getting a free pass for allowing 3 very key players to run amok? Three players we desperately need. If English was the coach, he would have been crucified for not running a disciplined program AND YOU KNOW IT.

Ken, you were the biggest complainer about Karcher, English, and Gillett but for some reason you have no problem with DeBoer, Creighton, and Bell? W-T-F!

I Just want a winning team and I'm not going to wait til we're 1-11 to start bitching, I'm smart enough to see where this is heading.

Obviously we are beating a dead horse here, but hey its EMU Football and we've been the dead horse for 20 years. For those who continue to defend Creighton and his decision making, I have only one question. What have you seen out of the first two games that leads you to believe he will be able to turn this program around. Here is what I've seen.
1. Musical chairs with the quarterbacks, so much so that none of them have any confidence and they are not being given the chance to lead, mature or gain any sense of how to overcome mistakes.
2. A Defense that regardless of talent (or lack of) still gives up far too many big plays, It is rare to find a defense that routinely gives up 30 yard plus plays, EMU has been doing it for 15 years.
3. An inability to make in game changes, the same thing we knocked English for by the way. If your defense is in a cover 2 or cover 3 the soft spot is supposed to be in the middle of the field underneath the secondary and beyond the front 7, somehow this defense continually gets beat down the field because secondary personnel out of position. It is one thing to get beat because a player is too slow or not physical enough, it is a coaching problem when players don't know their assignment. If they are incapable of learning than replace them.
4. Extremely Poor Clock management in the Morgan State Game. Specifically 4th Quarter after the turn over, he continued to run tempo and gave the ball back to Morgan State with enough time for a final drive. Roback was snapping the ball with 20 seconds left on the play clock. That is poor clock management, all of the plays were run plays, there was no surprise at this point and tempo didn't matter.
5. An offensive line that should be better than they are. While the offensive line played pretty well on running plays against Morgan State, they still allowed the pass rush to disrupt the the passing game. Against Florida, well lets face it, they did nothing correctly, including snapping the ball in shotgun.
6. Any ability to "coach up" the wide receivers he does have.
7. Total lack of a game plan to get Tyreese Russell involved in the offense. Russell is an All-MAC caliber player and Creighton has disrupted his senior year with this quarterback fiasco.
8. Corny "The Factory" and Breaking down the Wall embarrassment. Heather Lyke might be responsible for the Gray Turf, but Creighton is the face of the program and it has some how managed to make us more of a joke (who would have thought that was possible).

And So, I could go on and on but my point is this; I still am optimistic. I hold out hope that Creighton will get his act together. For no other reason than I have spoken to nobody that has a bad thing to say about the guy. I truly believe he is a honorable and moral man who wants to run a clean successful program. I have no reason to hope EMU plays poorly, I certainly don't enjoy watching our football program and the University dragged through the mud (figuratively and literally). However, until Creighton shows that he has the slightest football savvy, I will question his decisions. Specifically those that defy common sense, first and foremost this quarterback disaster. I don't care what Bell's completion percentage is, sounds to me like he's pretty adept at completing passes to the defense in practice. Roback is and should be the quarterback of the future, if Creighton doesn't see that, well it shows a complete disregard for what it will take to turn this program around. And like many others on the board, the idea of another 5 years of terrible teams is frustrating.

(09-11-2014 12:10 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  We've had success before moving other players to WR. Two QBs I can think of are Tyler Jones and that kid from Canada. Okay, so I can't think of his name, but he played in the CFL. But both were very successful. We also had a player named Chris Roberson who moved from RB to WR and later to CB. He was a good receiver. And look what Gilette did hanging on with the Packers as a WR.

But more in addition to WRs we need a QB who can get them the ball downfield. It doesn't look like Bell can.

I hear you. Yes, Gillette was a huge surprise moving to WR and being good enough to play for the Pack.

I don't see Darius Jackson as a WR. He is essentially a big back. Big backs can catch balls out of the backfield but not WR.

As far as Strange, Canty, etc. I don't know if they didn't have the hands to play on offense or simply preferred that side of the ball.

Dear Friends,
I don't know where to begin...emdypo, how do you know that Creighton didn't tell Roback to slow down the snap count, and even though he may not have, shouldn't someone with his experience ( Roback ) know that without always being told? Also, Bell hasn't thrown any interceptions in games so far, so what does it matter in practice?
Bob, we had five years of English and Karcher. I think that is enough time to have observed that the program was going nowhere, and therefore I did complain, and I think I was justified.
We have seen two games, TWO, and you want to throw the coaching staff under the bus? I have always said you have an opinion, and it can be stated, but I think you and others are over-reacting to what has happened so far. I am just as frustrated with the twenty year history of our football program as you and others, but I am willing to give Coach Creighton at least a couple of years before joining your forces.

(09-11-2014 10:00 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Bob Wickersham,
Do you read with any comprehension? Your follower scaggie, presents misrepresentations and when I present the facts, you commend him by saying he is speaking the truth. Wow!
Bob you need to read more carefully. The original statement from Coach Creighton was that Bell had a better completion record, both in practice and in games played so far. Why can't you believe that? Go on the Eastern website and check out the passing statistics if you don't want to believe me.
I also said I have no preference in who plays at quarterback. You obviously do, and that is fine, but I just can't understand your willingness to challenge the facts, and call the coaches liars. I will not be making any excuses if Eastern loses the game this Saturday, but you will probably pile it on if they do.

Perfectly put Ken, got tired of trying to get that across to him Saturday.




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(09-10-2014 12:34 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  Anyone attend? Any feedback from CC and/or Murphy? Attendance?

ANY FEEDBACK FROM COACH MURPHY? HOOPS SEASON IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY!

(09-11-2014 12:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Why is Creighton getting a free pass for allowing 3 very key players to run amok? Three players we desperately need. If English was the coach, he would have been crucified for not running a disciplined program AND YOU KNOW IT.

Ken, you were the biggest complainer about Karcher, English, and Gillett but for some reason you have no problem with DeBoer, Creighton, and Bell? W-T-F!

I Just want a winning team and I'm not going to wait til we're 1-11 to start bitching, I'm smart enough to see where this is heading.

Creighton no more let those three players run amok then Mark Dantonio let Glenn Winston run amok or Brady Hoke let C’Sonte York run amok. Kids make bad decisions regardless of what the coaches tell them.

This team is terrible and we all knew it before the season. Ranting and raving when the expected drubbings happen doesn’t make much sense.

EMU does not have much talent or skill at WR. That has been apparent for years now. English did an exceptionally poor job of recruiting receivers and we are seeing the cost of it now.

ODU is going to blow EMU out. I have little doubt about that. In fact, I think most of the games this year will be ugly. The lack of talent(especially on defense) and the expected adjustment period of a new staff practically guarantees that.

(09-11-2014 01:41 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
I don't know where to begin...emdypo, how do you know that Creighton didn't tell Roback to slow down the snap count, and even though he may not have, shouldn't someone with his experience ( Roback ) know that without always being told? Also, Bell hasn't thrown any interceptions in games so far, so what does it matter in practice?
Bob, we had five years of English and Karcher. I think that is enough time to have observed that the program was going nowhere, and therefore I did complain, and I think I was justified.
We have seen two games, TWO, and you want to throw the coaching staff under the bus? I have always said you have an opinion, and it can be stated, but I think you and others are over-reacting to what has happened so far. I am just as frustrated with the twenty year history of our football program as you and others, but I am willing to give Coach Creighton at least a couple of years before joining your forces.

Amen Ken!


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(09-11-2014 06:25 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 12:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Why is Creighton getting a free pass for allowing 3 very key players to run amok? Three players we desperately need. If English was the coach, he would have been crucified for not running a disciplined program AND YOU KNOW IT.

Ken, you were the biggest complainer about Karcher, English, and Gillett but for some reason you have no problem with DeBoer, Creighton, and Bell? W-T-F!

I Just want a winning team and I'm not going to wait til we're 1-11 to start bitching, I'm smart enough to see where this is heading.

Creighton no more let those three players run amok then Mark Dantonio let Glenn Winston run amok or Brady Hoke let C’Sonte York run amok. Kids make bad decisions regardless of what the coaches tell them.

This team is terrible and we all knew it before the season. Ranting and raving when the expected drubbings happen doesn’t make much sense.

EMU does not have much talent or skill at WR. That has been apparent for years now. English did an exceptionally poor job of recruiting receivers and we are seeing the cost of it now.

ODU is going to blow EMU out. I have little doubt about that. In fact, I think most of the games this year will be ugly. The lack of talent(especially on defense) and the expected adjustment period of a new staff practically guarantees that.

I did have ODU as one of my three to four wins. We appear to have the wrong receivers for the offense that CC wants to run. Again a coaching change has found our current staff trying to put square pegs in a round holes. English inherited a high octane passing attack from Genyk and converted it to a pro set and now CC appears to want a high octane passing attack but has personnel from a pro set. I think English did recruit decent receivers go back to Dawkins, Creel and Q Jones in the same recruiting class and look at the other schools that were recruiting them. Losing Reed was a big blow he had some downfield speed, we lost Shelby who just left and some other WRs like King and Tate so depth has become a problem. It looks like CC has at least 2 potential verbals and probably is looking for more at the WR spot.

(09-11-2014 06:19 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:34 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  Anyone attend? Any feedback from CC and/or Murphy? Attendance?

ANY FEEDBACK FROM COACH MURPHY? HOOPS SEASON IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY!

Apparently he will have his own show. Actually I'm encouraged that he is doing so as well as doing more community outreach.

(09-11-2014 06:19 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:34 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  Anyone attend? Any feedback from CC and/or Murphy? Attendance?

ANY FEEDBACK FROM COACH MURPHY? HOOPS SEASON IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY!

Only if one writes off the football season.

Lot of excellent MAC (FB) games tomorrow including CMU hosting 'Cuse and BG hosting Indiana, both at noon.

BTW, and the Lions are undefeated and atop their division in the NFL.

Does basketball fall practice begin around 10/15???

(09-11-2014 06:19 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:34 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  Anyone attend? Any feedback from CC and/or Murphy? Attendance?

ANY FEEDBACK FROM COACH MURPHY? HOOPS SEASON IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY!

Dennis, you might want to attend a football luncheon even if your primary interest is mostly hoops.

When I visited the Convo in early July I was still in my car when I ran into Mike Talley. We chatted. I didn't expect to run into him.

If you attend a football luncheon you could learn about basketball (too). You might meet someone who knows a lot and can tell you.

There are very knowledgeable fans attending these type of gatherings.

Getting info about a particular sport isn't like going to the grocery store to buy a gallon of milk. Just get it off the shelf.