(09-08-2014 07:01 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 04:15 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 04:07 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I agree. Wake isn't family. They're worthless to the conference.

But you can't get rid of them...charter member

Being a charter member has nothing to do with it.

Just remember, your school chose to join a conference with Wake Forest

I consider ND to be family. Kind of a distant cousin. I will root for my ACC brethren when they play them in FB, but I root for ND OOC. In basketball we have a nice rivalry going between our schools. And they are certainly family outside of FB season.

(09-08-2014 08:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 06:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 06:35 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  We didn't downgrade. The playoffs took the Peach Bowl. Just like they took the Cotton Bowl from the Big 12/SEC.

So the playoff taking the Chick-fil-a prevented us from going after a better bowl than the kid sister of the Capital One? What exactly are we paying Tarhole Johnny to do anyway?

Quote:Orlando hosts two bowls and by rule they can only be so close together. So the Russell gets the earlier timeslot.

So it is the lesser of the two bowls. I understand that perfectly.

Quote:Do we ever think the SEC would be so down that there'd be an 8 win Florida team in the OB? You must be kidding. We both know that's not happening anytime soon.

It's not outside the realm of reality. It likely would have happened had the arrangement been in place in 2007.

Quote:Even if it's against the B1G, that would mean Michigan, Ohio State, Mich State, Penn St or Wisconsin. Still attractive matchups.

Only if they are highly ranked. Beating the corpse of Nebraska football does nothing for the ACC.

The Orange Bowl should have never ties in with another conference unless it was able to obtain the highest ranked opponent not in the playoff. It should have went after the highest ranked opponent available regardless of conference.

Quote:If Notre Dame takes the Russell they have to share the revenue with the ACC. The only time ND doesn't share is if they get picked by one of the playoff committee bowls.

The revenue deal is fine. The fact that we could have a 9 or 10 win #2 ACC team stuck in Charlotte playing a probably 6 or 7 win SEC team is the problem. Or even worse, they could be stuck in El Paso.

Quote:The following locations: Shreveport, Birmingham, Memphis are for SEC bowls. So does that mean the SEC got crappy locations too?

With the exception of Memphis, yes. Nothing tops Detroit as far as horrible bowl locations, however. We would have been better off going after Boise again.

Of course on the SEC side chances are they see an SEC team maybe once or twice a decade.


Now that we have dealt with your rhetoric, I still have yet to be informed what great bowls Notre Dame brought to the table.

This is all crazy talk. So what other bowls do you propose the ACC SHOULD have gotten?

A full-time slot in the Gator Bowl would have been great. Of course Tarhole Johnny pissed them off by putting in the rule where they would be forced to take schools who would have lost them money so they likely didn't want to deal with the ACC anymore. As it stands now the absolute only reason we have the tie-in with the Gator Bowl is they pretty much had nobody else to choose from and the B1G didn't want the possibility of four bowls in Florida/

Quote:The ACC shouldn't have it's #2 team win only 9 games. If it does, it doesn't deserve to go to a higher bowl.

It's very possible when there is only one division carrying it's share of the weight.

Quote:"Only if they are highly ranked"....that's the whole point of the agreement. They have to be highly ranked.

You do realize the way the agreement is structured there are going to be years where the highest ranked opponent can't be selected because of the guaranteed number of appearances for the Big 10 and SEC right? Let's say the Big continues it's decline and the parasites actually stay good. We get to the last three years of the contract and the Big 10 hasn't been in the bowl we get the Big 10 as an opponent regardless of where they rank. Since we select after the playoff and after the Rose Bowl (or access bowl in the years the Rose is part of the playoff) we get stuck with whatever is there. The only smart part of the agreement is the fact that there isn't a minimum number of appearances for the parasites.

Quote:The fact of the matter is you're never going to agree on what ND has brought to the table.

Well it's hard to agree to something that nobody seems to be able to substantiate.

Quote:You are ONE fan of ONE team. You don't like Detroit. You don't like NY for bowls. You must have forgotten that a number of the teams in the conference are northern teams.

No, sadly I didn't because the screwed up divisions force us to play in the Godforsaken football wasteland every year.

That still doesn't change the fact that Detroit and the Pinstripe are horrible bowls.

I just gave you multiple reasons for ND benefits. You just don't want to accept them.

I remember when the Coastal was carrying all the weight because Clemson and FSU crapped the bed for a few years. It's cyclical.

I'm sorry but I refused to believe that you can't find a highly ranked team from B1G (14 teams), SEC (14 teams), ND (1 team) on a yearly basis. That's 29 freakin teams. OB will get a good choice every year.

So the Gator Bowl is all you got? Come on man. I thought you were ready to educate me on all of the bowls the ACC should have.

(09-08-2014 08:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I just gave you multiple reasons for ND benefits. You just don't want to accept them.

I remember when the Coastal was carrying all the weight because Clemson and FSU crapped the bed for a few years. It's cyclical.

I'm sorry but I refused to believe that you can't find a highly ranked team from B1G (14 teams), SEC (14 teams), ND (1 team) on a yearly basis. That's 29 freakin teams. OB will get a good choice every year.

So the Gator Bowl is all you got? Come on man. I thought you were ready to educate me on all of the bowls the ACC should have.

I'm waiting on you to give me one legitimate bowl that Notre Dame brought to the deal and proof that the payout from the Russell Athletic is going to go up. Since I have been waiting longer I'll give you what you want after you give me what I want.

(09-08-2014 08:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 08:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I just gave you multiple reasons for ND benefits. You just don't want to accept them.

I remember when the Coastal was carrying all the weight because Clemson and FSU crapped the bed for a few years. It's cyclical.

I'm sorry but I refused to believe that you can't find a highly ranked team from B1G (14 teams), SEC (14 teams), ND (1 team) on a yearly basis. That's 29 freakin teams. OB will get a good choice every year.

So the Gator Bowl is all you got? Come on man. I thought you were ready to educate me on all of the bowls the ACC should have.

I'm waiting on you to give me one legitimate bowl that Notre Dame brought to the deal and proof that the payout from the Russell Athletic is going to go up. Since I have been waiting longer I'll give you what you want after you give me what I want.

When the bowls release their payout figures then you'll get a link. It's obvious something changed for the Russell to all of a sudden jump to the top of the list. The main reason Russell jumped was because of the possibility of selecting ND.

As for the other bowls, you'll never agree to like them even though Pinstripe Bowl has been successful. It's really for the northern teams + ND.

Notre Dame is ACC family... remember Chevy Chase's brother in the National Lampoon Christmas movie - you know the one who parked his RV in front of the house and proceeded to empty his toilet waste into the sewer? He was family, too!

(09-08-2014 09:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 08:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 08:36 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I just gave you multiple reasons for ND benefits. You just don't want to accept them.

I remember when the Coastal was carrying all the weight because Clemson and FSU crapped the bed for a few years. It's cyclical.

I'm sorry but I refused to believe that you can't find a highly ranked team from B1G (14 teams), SEC (14 teams), ND (1 team) on a yearly basis. That's 29 freakin teams. OB will get a good choice every year.

So the Gator Bowl is all you got? Come on man. I thought you were ready to educate me on all of the bowls the ACC should have.

I'm waiting on you to give me one legitimate bowl that Notre Dame brought to the deal and proof that the payout from the Russell Athletic is going to go up. Since I have been waiting longer I'll give you what you want after you give me what I want.

When the bowls release their payout figures then you'll get a link. It's obvious something changed for the Russell to all of a sudden jump to the top of the list. The main reason Russell jumped was because of the possibility of selecting ND.

As for the other bowls, you'll never agree to like them even though Pinstripe Bowl has been successful. It's really for the northern teams + ND.

I'm pretty sure that Clemson will never play in the Pinstripe. Obviously nothing is 100%, but I would be amazed if it happened. I'm also 100% certain that all the northern schools (aka the ones who will end up playing in it) are ecstatic to play in it. There's absolutely no reason to complain about that bowl. If anyone is going to complain about any bowl, complain about the OB. We got hosed there.