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I had a disturbing, almost surreal experience prior to the game today.

I was walking past the Webb Center toward Kaufman Mall with my wife and two of my children.
All of a sudden I felt a slap and hold on my chest and looked over to see a Norfolk Sheriff's deputy "detaining" me by continuing to press on my chest. She then told me to dump my soda I was drinking. I held up my Sierra Mist and said explained that it was a soda in a marked container. She said that didn't matter. I then asked her when the rule changed that I couldn't walk campus with a soda in a marked container. She didn't respond, but got in my face and told me to dump it.
I then asked to speak with a supervisor, who came over and told me that it was a new rule. I said I hadn't heard of the rule, but I was more concerned about the aggressive physical "hit and hold". She then said she had other things to do and didn't have time to talk to me about it. I then asked for another supervisor, and she said "I'm it, and I don't have time for you, I have other situations to handle" She then walked away.

Now, in fairness, the first deputy may have said something to me before she slapped me, and was reacting to my not responding. I don't know.

Additionally, I spoke with a number of ODU officials, and they said that as long as it was in a commercially marked container, there should not have been a problem.

Any suggestions on handling this? Should I just let it go? There are plenty of witnesses.

Dr. Wood Selig

I haven't written him a couple of times and he is always faithful to look into things and get back with you. I hope you have the names of the officers.

Dr. Camden Wood Selig - Athletic Director Jim Jarrett Ath. Admin. Bldg. 683-3369 wselig@odu.edu
If you write a detailed, respectful message he WILL look into this.

(08-30-2014 10:26 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I had a disturbing, almost surreal experience prior to the game today.

I was walking past the Webb Center toward Kaufman Mall with my wife and two of my children.
All of a sudden I felt a slap and hold on my chest and looked over to see a Norfolk Sheriff's deputy "detaining" me by continuing to press on my chest. She then told me to dump my soda I was drinking. I held up my Sierra Mist and said explained that it was a soda in a marked container. She said that didn't matter. I then asked her when the rule changed that I couldn't walk campus with a soda in a marked container. She didn't respond, but got in my face and told me to dump it.
I then asked to speak with a supervisor, who came over and told me that it was a new rule. I said I hadn't heard of the rule, but I was more concerned about the aggressive physical "hit and hold". She then said she had other things to do and didn't have time to talk to me about it. I then asked for another supervisor, and she said "I'm it, and I don't have time for you, I have other situations to handle" She then walked away.

Now, in fairness, the first deputy may have said something to me before she slapped me, and was reacting to my not responding. I don't know.

Additionally, I spoke with a number of ODU officials, and they said that as long as it was in a commercially marked container, there should not have been a problem.

Any suggestions on handling this? Should I just let it go? There are plenty of witnesses.

That's really sad and unbelievable. Norfolk police effing shame on you you should lawyer up and sue the crap out of those idiots.

Wow-
I actually walked from our tailgate spot Blue Lot to the game drinking a Coke Zero. and an extra in my cargo shorts

Walked by more then a few "Real" Police Officers.
Had no problems.

Was even allowed to take the other into the game since it was unopened.

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To be fair and accurate, a third Deputy followed me over to the Alumni tent and profusely apologized, and admitted the first Deputy was incorrect on the rule. He however was not a witness to the original issue.

My real problem is the physical use of force over a real soda, and the complete "blow off" by the supervisor.

(08-30-2014 10:26 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I had a disturbing, almost surreal experience prior to the game today.

I was walking past the Webb Center toward Kaufman Mall with my wife and two of my children.
All of a sudden I felt a slap and hold on my chest and looked over to see a Norfolk Sheriff's deputy "detaining" me by continuing to press on my chest. She then told me to dump my soda I was drinking. I held up my Sierra Mist and said explained that it was a soda in a marked container. She said that didn't matter. I then asked her when the rule changed that I couldn't walk campus with a soda in a marked container. She didn't respond, but got in my face and told me to dump it.
I then asked to speak with a supervisor, who came over and told me that it was a new rule. I said I hadn't heard of the rule, but I was more concerned about the aggressive physical "hit and hold". She then said she had other things to do and didn't have time to talk to me about it. I then asked for another supervisor, and she said "I'm it, and I don't have time for you, I have other situations to handle" She then walked away.

Now, in fairness, the first deputy may have said something to me before she slapped me, and was reacting to my not responding. I don't know.

Additionally, I spoke with a number of ODU officials, and they said that as long as it was in a commercially marked container, there should not have been a problem.

Any suggestions on handling this? Should I just let it go? There are plenty of witnesses.

I was walking out of the white lot and I too was told my iced tea in a "soda" can had to be thrown away before leaving the lot as well, but he did say the bottled waters were okay. Seems like a weird rule, but I can understand it. As far as you being man handled - that's uncalled for and should not be tolerated.

I support cops in a day and age when everyone wants to bash them , but that is a ridiculous. Contact Wood and contact the Norfolk Sheriffs dept. and I'm not sure what the rule is?

(08-30-2014 10:48 PM)Sithlord Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 10:26 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I had a disturbing, almost surreal experience prior to the game today.

I was walking past the Webb Center toward Kaufman Mall with my wife and two of my children.
All of a sudden I felt a slap and hold on my chest and looked over to see a Norfolk Sheriff's deputy "detaining" me by continuing to press on my chest. She then told me to dump my soda I was drinking. I held up my Sierra Mist and said explained that it was a soda in a marked container. She said that didn't matter. I then asked her when the rule changed that I couldn't walk campus with a soda in a marked container. She didn't respond, but got in my face and told me to dump it.
I then asked to speak with a supervisor, who came over and told me that it was a new rule. I said I hadn't heard of the rule, but I was more concerned about the aggressive physical "hit and hold". She then said she had other things to do and didn't have time to talk to me about it. I then asked for another supervisor, and she said "I'm it, and I don't have time for you, I have other situations to handle" She then walked away.

Now, in fairness, the first deputy may have said something to me before she slapped me, and was reacting to my not responding. I don't know.

Additionally, I spoke with a number of ODU officials, and they said that as long as it was in a commercially marked container, there should not have been a problem.

Any suggestions on handling this? Should I just let it go? There are plenty of witnesses.

I was walking out of the white lot and I too was told my iced tea in a "soda" can had to be thrown away as well, but he did say the bottled waters were okay. Seems like a weird rule, but I can understand it. As far as you being man handled - that's uncalled for and should not be tolerated.

I walked right by at least three officers leaving the White lot with that same soda, and then past the two guys at the lot entrance, and no one said anything. My two daughters each had a Sierra Mist as well - but had finished them before we got to Kaufman.

I didn't have any bottled water, and it was too hot not to drink something.

(08-30-2014 10:45 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  To be fair and accurate, a third Deputy followed me over to the Alumni tent and profusely apologized, and admitted the first Deputy was incorrect on the rule. He however was not a witness to the original issue.

My real problem is the physical use of force over a real soda, and the complete "blow off" by the supervisor.

If it was as bad as you are trying to make it out to be, file a complaint with the norfolk PD. I assume the cop was a ODU cop.

Heck maybe you can post a pic of you throwing out the can with the hashtag: #dontshoot

To me it sounds like a nonissue (since you didn't address at the time), but if it's this big of an issue file a complaint.

(08-30-2014 10:59 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 10:45 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  To be fair and accurate, a third Deputy followed me over to the Alumni tent and profusely apologized, and admitted the first Deputy was incorrect on the rule. He however was not a witness to the original issue.

My real problem is the physical use of force over a real soda, and the complete "blow off" by the supervisor.

If it was as bad as you are trying to make it out to be, file a complaint with the norfolk PD. I assume the cop was a ODU cop.

Heck maybe you can post a pic of you throwing out the can with the hashtag: #dontshoot

To me it sounds like a nonissue (since you didn't address at the time), but if it's this big of an issue file a complaint.

Neither NPD, nor ODU cop. It was a Norfolk Sheriff's Dept Deputy (they all were). However I did almost immediately make a verbal complaint to an ODU VP.
I was with family and friends and it was almost game time so I didn't pursue it further at the time.

It wasn't like she hit me or hurt me, but she never, IMO, should have touched me at all. Further her supervisor should have made an effort to address the situation.

It is not a huge issue, but neither is it a non-issue.
But yeah, I think I will send a letter to WS, and make a complaint to NSD

Call or write Bob McCabe, Norfolk Sheriff. There are very few bigger supporters of ODU sports. Did you get the name of the deputy?

I would've drag-doubled her right into an arm bar, then called Steve Martin to look into it...but that's just me...

(08-31-2014 05:51 AM)odusteeler Wrote:  I would've drag-doubled her right into an arm bar, then called Steve Martin to look into it...but that's just me...

Hahah the whole time he is lecturing you he is looking up to you talking with his eyes close or blinking them a hundred times a a minute.

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I would email selig and mccabe in the same email
be respectful, don't embellish, discusses your concern for the family atmosphere

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Don't bother filing any complaints with or about ODU police ... they historically blow them off and protect their own.

(08-30-2014 10:26 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I had a disturbing, almost surreal experience prior to the game today.

I was walking past the Webb Center toward Kaufman Mall with my wife and two of my children.
All of a sudden I felt a slap and hold on my chest and looked over to see a Norfolk Sheriff's deputy "detaining" me by continuing to press on my chest. She then told me to dump my soda I was drinking. I held up my Sierra Mist and said explained that it was a soda in a marked container. She said that didn't matter. I then asked her when the rule changed that I couldn't walk campus with a soda in a marked container. She didn't respond, but got in my face and told me to dump it.
I then asked to speak with a supervisor, who came over and told me that it was a new rule. I said I hadn't heard of the rule, but I was more concerned about the aggressive physical "hit and hold". She then said she had other things to do and didn't have time to talk to me about it. I then asked for another supervisor, and she said "I'm it, and I don't have time for you, I have other situations to handle" She then walked away.

Now, in fairness, the first deputy may have said something to me before she slapped me, and was reacting to my not responding. I don't know.

Additionally, I spoke with a number of ODU officials, and they said that as long as it was in a commercially marked container, there should not have been a problem.

Any suggestions on handling this? Should I just let it go? There are plenty of witnesses.

Sounds like pretty unacceptable behavior to me on behalf of the deputy. You certainly should contact the university and let the right department or people know. You should follow through.

The deputy had no right to put their hands on you. None.

Sound like we had the same lady deputy stop us in front of the Webb we had an open water bottle. Totally uncalled for action, she wasn't as aggressive with us. When can't you walk around ODU with a water bottle or a Pepsi product that was bought on campus. Went by many other officers and no had no other warnings. These officers are working for ODU during gamedays, enforcing ODU rules we need to talk to ODU. I don't think it's Wood's area and I don't think the officer understood the rule. I understand the school needs to be careful about ABC laws, but we aren't walking around with red solo cups.

By the way every other officer we came in contact with was great. The one in our tailgate is super helpful.

(08-31-2014 10:51 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Sound like we had the same lady deputy stop us in front of the Webb we had an open water bottle. Totally uncalled for action, she wasn't as aggressive with us. When can't you walk around ODU with a water bottle or a Pepsi product that was bought on campus. Went by many other officers and no had no other warnings. These officers are working for ODU during gamedays, enforcing ODU rules we need to talk to ODU. I don't think it's Wood's area and I don't think the officer understood the rule. I understand the school needs to be careful about ABC laws, but we aren't walking around with red solo cups.

By the way every other officer we came in contact with was great. The one in our tailgate is super helpful.

I have never had anything but good experiences with law enforcement at ODU gamed and events for years.
Heck I even had a very positive experience with ODU police when I was a student concerning my lost wallet.
I haven't had so much as a speeding ticket in at least 25 years.

After talking with my kids, it seems the deputy got aggressive with me because I didn't respond to her verbally (probably twice). Neither me or my wife heard her, as the band and cheerleaders were getting very close.

I have gone back and read every communication from ODU, and it seems that alcohol of course, and any glass and unmarked containers are forbidden. Marked containers including commercial water bottles should be fine.
On a hot day like yesterday, not being able to consume fluids on campus is absurd, and potentially dangerous, especially for us old folks.

However, the original rules issue has become tertiary for me in this instance.
The deputy was certainly out of line, but anyone can make mistakes in the heat of the moment
That the NSD supervisor refused to even discuss my concerns about a physical confrontation, and then further refused to direct me to her supervisor is, IMO, outrageous.

I mean i am with you on it being ridiculous that you couldn't take your soda wherever you wanted to, but the "physical confrontation" complaint seems a bit dramatic. The officer tried to get your attention verbally twice, then resorted to using her hands to get your attention. Its not like she tackled you. In her mind, probably wrongly, she needed to do her job by stopping you from proceeding any further with you soda, so she did what she needed to and clearly did not cause any injury to you.