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(08-31-2014 11:50 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I mean i am with you on it being ridiculous that you couldn't take your soda wherever you wanted to, but the "physical confrontation" complaint seems a bit dramatic. The officer tried to get your attention verbally twice, then resorted to using her hands to get your attention. Its not like she tackled you. In her mind, probably wrongly, she needed to do her job by stopping you from proceeding any further with you soda, so she did what she needed to and clearly did not cause any injury to you.

That's a fair point.
However, tapping me on the shoulder, or better yet, placing herself in front of me so that I clearly knew that she was addressing me would have accomplished the same thing, without her placing her hand on and on my torso firmly enough to stop me; and it was indeed firm as I weigh 215 pounds.

Again, IMO, she made a mistake, both as to the rules AND her enforcement tactic.
As I stated, my primary concern is about how her supervisor handled the situation.

Some cops have a napoleon complex and think the rules don't apply to them, and need to be brought down a peg or two. You need to address this for yourself and the other fans from out of town that my experience this *******.

Meanwhile there was probably a mugging going on down the street that this bully was to scared to address. Typical ODU/Norfolk cops it seems. Harass decent people over minor infractions, and ignore or even hide from the real issues and criminals. Standard operating procedure.

The police officer in the brown lot was super awesome!

The sh.tty cops give the good cops a bad reputation.

Unfortunately, there isn't enough "policing" about the cops themselves, putting the crappy ones in line, so that people once again have faith in officers of the peace.

And don't even get me started on the militarization of our police force in America.

But yeah, sounds like yet another cop with a chip on their shoulder trying to prove a point. Unacceptable......it's a college football game, getting physical for ANY reason with someone who isn't causing a problem is over the line.

(09-01-2014 02:40 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  The sh.tty cops give the good cops a bad reputation.

Unfortunately, there isn't enough "policing" about the cops themselves, putting the crappy ones in line, so that people once again have faith in officers of the peace.

And don't even get me started on the militarization of our police force in America.

But yeah, sounds like yet another cop with a chip on their shoulder trying to prove a point. Unacceptable......it's a college football game, getting physical for ANY reason with someone who isn't causing a problem is over the line.

I completely agree, and it was really hard for me to suppress that argument as well. I ultimately decided this isn't the time or place.

The bottom line here is there's a grey area, despite what the bad cops think. There are certainly plenty of good cops, but the bad ones ruin it for everybody. Unfortunate reality.

I was thinking about this last night and remembered when i was stopped for speeding 20 miles over the limit in Goochland County at 11:00 p.m., which is carless and reckless and the policeman told me he could take me to jail but i told him i just wanted to get home and go to sleep. He never layed a hand on me gave me the ticket and i proceeded home. This officer needs to take a home game off and if gonna work another game be watched carefully for further bad behavior.

(08-31-2014 01:33 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 11:50 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I mean i am with you on it being ridiculous that you couldn't take your soda wherever you wanted to, but the "physical confrontation" complaint seems a bit dramatic. The officer tried to get your attention verbally twice, then resorted to using her hands to get your attention. Its not like she tackled you. In her mind, probably wrongly, she needed to do her job by stopping you from proceeding any further with you soda, so she did what she needed to and clearly did not cause any injury to you.

That's a fair point.
However, tapping me on the shoulder, or better yet, placing herself in front of me so that I clearly knew that she was addressing me would have accomplished the same thing, without her placing her hand on and on my torso firmly enough to stop me; and it was indeed firm as I weigh 215 pounds.

Again, IMO, she made a mistake, both as to the rules AND her enforcement tactic.
As I stated, my primary concern is about how her supervisor handled the situation.

We're all quick to attack cops. However few of us work that job. They never know when the one of us they stop is that psycho who will go loco over just such an incident. I for one give them all due respect at all times. They have a job I certainly don't want. So I see Monarchblue's point and agree with his point.

Always a bad choice to invade ones personal space over nothing. What she did will not always have the same outcome. It just takes the wrong person for a different outcome.

(09-01-2014 10:43 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 01:33 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 11:50 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I mean i am with you on it being ridiculous that you couldn't take your soda wherever you wanted to, but the "physical confrontation" complaint seems a bit dramatic. The officer tried to get your attention verbally twice, then resorted to using her hands to get your attention. Its not like she tackled you. In her mind, probably wrongly, she needed to do her job by stopping you from proceeding any further with you soda, so she did what she needed to and clearly did not cause any injury to you.

That's a fair point.
However, tapping me on the shoulder, or better yet, placing herself in front of me so that I clearly knew that she was addressing me would have accomplished the same thing, without her placing her hand on and on my torso firmly enough to stop me; and it was indeed firm as I weigh 215 pounds.

Again, IMO, she made a mistake, both as to the rules AND her enforcement tactic.
As I stated, my primary concern is about how her supervisor handled the situation.

We're all quick to attack cops. However few of us work that job. They never know when the one of us they stop is that psycho who will go loco over just such an incident. I for one give them all due respect at all times. They have a job I certainly don't want. So I see Monarchblue's point and agree with his point.

And therein lies a paradox.

If you go into every interaction confrontationally, aggressively and with "this person might be a psycho" attitude, then you are sure to bring out the psycho in that individual very quickly.
In my circumstance, she had no backup, and it was very close quarters.
Had I been a psycho, or even just a younger belligerent drunk, the outcome would likely not have been pretty, and probably in my favor; at least until backup arrived, when both me and anyone in the general vicinity would have been placed in potentially lethal danger.
That is a no win and, IMO, an avoidable outcome.

It seems to me that the basic "first contact" mentality should be something like "How might I accomplish my goal of persuading this individual if I don't have a gun, a badge, and that person would not suffer consequences if he/she physically takes me down if I start it?"

Law enforcement officers get paid to do a job, and they knew what the job entailed in advance.
They deserve no more (or less) respect than anyone else who works in the career of their choosing.

Guys and gals-

This thread has relevence because it involved ODU policy towards beverage containers and gametime security. Let's leave any political discussion of how police may be viewed, their armament, or other allegations of wrongdoing outside of this particular event. I would recommend the SPIN ROOM for a lively discussion of these very topics.

Cheers,
Smitty

(09-01-2014 06:21 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Guys and gals-

This thread has relevence because it involved ODU policy towards beverage containers and gametime security. Let's leave any political discussion of how police may be viewed, their armament, or other allegations of wrongdoing outside of this particular event. I would recommend the SPIN ROOM for a lively discussion of these very topics.

Cheers,
Smitty

Agreed.
I will post the results of my communication(s) with ODU.
I will relegate the dissemination of information from my discussions with NSD to PM for those interested.

I have spoken with ODU.

If it is not alcohol, and/or not in a glass container, you are good anywhere on campus.*
You may (very likely) get stopped and questioned if you have like a red cup, but even then, if it is not alcohol, you are good.

*The stadium is another matter; for the same reasons you may not take liquids on an airplane.

Yep...walked around with both a soda and water bottle. Never a word spoken to me until I approached the gate to the stadium. Then I had to dispose of my water bottle.

(09-02-2014 08:00 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I have spoken with ODU.

If it is not alcohol, and/or not in a glass container, you are good anywhere on campus.*
You may (very likely) get stopped and questioned if you have like a red cup, but even then, if it is not alcohol, you are good.

*The stadium is another matter; for the same reasons you may not take liquids on an airplane.

And, by the way, if you are drinking from a red cup, you should be shot.

I'm late to the party here but I just don't think there is anything to get out of complaining about the incident. Nothing to gain and only time to lose. I would just chalk it up to it being an unfortunate incident and move on in life.

you might, but if someone accosted me in front of my family (possibly scaring my kids) I would seek resolution of this and not ignore it.

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(09-02-2014 11:38 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 08:00 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I have spoken with ODU.

If it is not alcohol, and/or not in a glass container, you are good anywhere on campus.*
You may (very likely) get stopped and questioned if you have like a red cup, but even then, if it is not alcohol, you are good.

*The stadium is another matter; for the same reasons you may not take liquids on an airplane.

And, by the way, if you are drinking from a red cup, you should be shot.

I'm late to the party here but I just don't think there is anything to get out of complaining about the incident. Nothing to gain and only time to lose. I would just chalk it up to it being an unfortunate incident and move on in life.

Agreed on the red cup.
But..
I disagree otherwise.
Since my experience was by no means unique (at least as to the incorrect rule interpretation), it seems to me that to blindly accept things like this is irresponsible, on many levels, (including a violation of state law, I was told).

State law aside, suppose this had been an ODU rule (which it wasn't). You have young children and older fans that may have to walk a substantial distance to the stadium after being in the heat for 4 hours. Not being allowed to consume fluids under these circumstances becomes a potential health hazard.

I for one am 60 years old and had been in the White lot for over 4 hours.
It was hot.

If individual law enforcement is allowed to make up rules or misinterpret them with no challenge, where does that end?

Why would you not challenge something that is wrong?

I purchased drinks for myself, my wife, and kids with my money, and I fully expected to consume them.

My wife kids had to watch as I was being loudly berated and physically impeded by a law enforcement officer.
No way I let this go.

EDIT: But I did ask for comments and this was one option that I mentioned.
I appreciate your input, thanks

(09-02-2014 12:02 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 11:38 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 08:00 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I have spoken with ODU.

If it is not alcohol, and/or not in a glass container, you are good anywhere on campus.*
You may (very likely) get stopped and questioned if you have like a red cup, but even then, if it is not alcohol, you are good.

*The stadium is another matter; for the same reasons you may not take liquids on an airplane.

And, by the way, if you are drinking from a red cup, you should be shot.

I'm late to the party here but I just don't think there is anything to get out of complaining about the incident. Nothing to gain and only time to lose. I would just chalk it up to it being an unfortunate incident and move on in life.

Agreed on the red cup.
But..
I disagree otherwise.
Since my experience was by no means unique (at least as to the incorrect rule interpretation), it seems to me that to blindly accept things like this is irresponsible, on many levels, (including a violation of state law, I was told).

State law aside, suppose this had been an ODU rule (which it wasn't). You have young children and older fans that may have to walk a substantial distance to the stadium after being in the heat for 4 hours. Not being allowed to consume fluids under these circumstances becomes a potential health hazard.

I for one am 60 years old and had been in the White lot for over 4 hours.
It was hot.

If individual law enforcement is allowed to make up rules or misinterpret them with no challenge, where does that end?

Why would you not challenge something that is wrong?

I purchased drinks for myself, my wife, and kids with my money, and I fully expected to consume them.

My wife kids had to watch as I was being loudly berated and physically impeded by a law enforcement officer.
No way I let this go.

EDIT: But I did ask for comments and this was one option that I mentioned.
I appreciate your input, thanks

Good on ya! I agree 100% and would do the same.