(08-31-2014 04:18 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:congrats to EMU for making SportsCenter #SCNotTop10- http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=1144017...tscenterTW

All I get is sports-center predicting FSU to beat OKSU. ?

But if you're trying to bash EMU, remember this: EMU held on to avoid a D1AA loss, for our conference. AND you should be thankful of that -- EMU is not a threatening rival, so chill out dude!

Losing 3 straight to a non-threatening rival really must suck for you.

(08-31-2014 09:17 AM)axeme Wrote:  

EPIC FAIL

(08-30-2014 08:28 PM)CMichFan Wrote:  Funny, last time I checked, an FCS win counts the same toward bowl eligiblity no matter what the margin of victory is. I would call that a positive.

That's it ... if your team plays a close game against an FCS team, the coaching staff knows that they dodged a bullet, that they still have work to do to be fully ready for the season ahead, but at least they got away with a win.

The reason you should win games against FCS is because you play all of them at home, not because of any dramatic talent gap.

Last year, the CAA went 1-3 against the MAC, all road games. The three losses were all squeakers including CMU over UNH and Akron over JMU. Had the games been home at CAA, it likely would have been 4-0 with virtually same attendance numbers.

The prez at Montana was right, the lower end of FBS looks a lot more like FCS than it does the P5.

(08-31-2014 10:45 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 09:17 AM)axeme Wrote:  

EPIC FAIL

It can only be topped by somebody rowing a boat as their grand entrance.

(08-31-2014 04:18 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:congrats to EMU for making SportsCenter #SCNotTop10- http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=1144017...tscenterTW

All I get is sports-center predicting FSU to beat OKSU. ?

But if you're trying to bash EMU, remember this: EMU held on to avoid a D1AA loss, for our conference. AND you should be thankful of that -- EMU is not a threatening rival, so chill out dude!

yeah, I can't believe I totally bashed EMU by posting a video link to a clip from Sport Center. How dare I. And you say EMU is not a threatening rival like its a good thing? Go row a boat.

(08-31-2014 04:24 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 10:45 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 09:17 AM)axeme Wrote:  

EPIC FAIL

It can only be topped by somebody rowing a boat as their grand entrance.

Don't remind me...
I walked in on the practice where they "practiced" coming our to row, row, row your boat. I have blocked out everything since then.

(08-31-2014 11:41 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 04:24 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 10:45 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 09:17 AM)axeme Wrote:  

EPIC FAIL

It can only be topped by somebody rowing a boat as their grand entrance.

Don't remind me...
I walked in on the practice where they "practiced" coming our to row, row, row your boat. I have blocked out everything since then.

I watched it - waiting for something embarrassing to happen - but nothing ever did. Why is this getting this much attention?

I'm not going to repeat that clip, but I get the impression they didn't practice that. Its possible to stack those up so that two guys can bring it down in one swing each ... but it won't just happen by accident.

Where's my "the most interesting man in the world" app? "I don't always decide to do intricate team entrances, but when I do, I tell the players to 'wing it and hope it works!'."

(08-31-2014 03:59 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  The reason you should win games against FCS is because you play all of them at home, not because of any dramatic talent gap.

Last year, the CAA went 1-3 against the MAC, all road games. The three losses were all squeakers including CMU over UNH and Akron over JMU. Had the games been home at CAA, it likely would have been 4-0 with virtually same attendance numbers.

The prez at Montana was right, the lower end of FBS looks a lot more like FCS than it does the P5.

I'd agree with that if you include the lower end of the P5 conferences - Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, Colorado, etc. And remember, when G5 schools play at the P5 schools it's the same thing - almost always road games.

(08-29-2014 12:04 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 11:43 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 11:24 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  How is it hypocrisy?

Before telling MAC fans to stop being hypocritical in expecting that their team ought to be favored to beat an FCS team ... please explain how its hypocritical. I'm not seeing how its an example of "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense."

Because most MAC fans get upset when let's say BIG10 teams group as as just another MAC team. When in reality, teams of the past like CMU NIU Miami etc have beaten mid level BIG10 teams.

So my point was to say don't group all of FCS together because its stupid and MAC fans hate it when others do it to us.

Did you know that the MAC and the B1G are actually in the same league? Its called FBS. It means we have the same limits and parameters. Chattanooga is in the FCS which is a completely different league with completely different limits and parameters. Did you know that FBS and FCS are different? Because it doesn't sound like you do or you wouldn't be struggling to make this analogy that doesn't work.

I see both points. There is a gap though from WMU losing to a really bad Nicholls State team and I'm talking about what they did vs. everyone else even in FCS they weren't good and losing to Appalachin State when they were a three time National Champ. At least the starters were really good. A bad MAC team that scholarship players didn't turn out can get beat by a program that has a ton of experience and did well with their starters that they recruited but will have less depth.
Every level has better and worse teams no doubt about it and there is a bigger gap between Chattanooga or North Dakota State that is ranked No.1 and a bottom dweller in Nicholls State in the Southern Conference. They aren't the same you should beat Nicholls by 30 and play backups most of the game but North Dakota for example would look better than a few teams in the MAC.
I watched the Georgia State game and they said that the recruiting was much easier as a FBS program. This is the advantage any MAC team has. Not every prospect turns out recruiting isn't an exact science and FCS teams can sometimes get players MAC teams pass up and build great programs.

(09-02-2014 01:14 AM)wmu2012 Wrote:  Every level has better and worse teams no doubt about it

In terms of truisms, the worst P5 teams are no better than the best Go5 teams, the worst Go5 teams are no better than the best FCS teams, the worst FCS teams are no better than the best Div2 teams, the worst Div2 teams are no better than the best Div3 teams. I reckon it could keep going, in that the worst Div3 teams are not better than the best big school HS teams and then keep it going from there.

But what a given Go5 team should aspire to is to be among the best Go5 teams, so it continues to be the case that if a Go5 school is "not beating an FCS school", that likely means it is not where it should aspire to be, among the best Go5 schools.

And its absurd for a P5 school to even be playing an FCS school or, like the Mississippi's in the SEC, duck playing any other P5 schools OOC at all, except in bowl games (and most SEC bowl games are de-facto "home away from home" in-conference footprint bowl games anyway). If they cannot fill out their schedule among the over 100 schools in FBS, then why don't they drop their spot in the P5 conference? I guarantee that there are some ambitious Go5 schools that would happily drop playing FCS schools in return for a spot in a P5 conference.

And its also the case that "Most MAC fans think" is certainly hyperbole, when the evidence is what a handful of commentators said on some particular board of some particular sports talk bulletin board system.

(09-02-2014 01:08 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:14 AM)wmu2012 Wrote:  Every level has better and worse teams no doubt about it

In terms of truisms, the worst P5 teams are no better than the best Go5 teams, the worst Go5 teams are no better than the best FCS teams, the worst FCS teams are no better than the best Div2 teams, the worst Div2 teams are no better than the best Div3 teams. I reckon it could keep going, in that the worst Div3 teams are not better than the best big school HS teams and then keep it going from there.

But what a given Go5 team should aspire to is to be among the best Go5 teams, so it continues to be the case that if a Go5 school is "not beating an FCS school", that likely means it is not where it should aspire to be, among the best Go5 schools.

And its absurd for a P5 school to even be playing an FCS school or, like the Mississippi's in the SEC, duck playing any other P5 schools OOC at all, except in bowl games (and most SEC bowl games are de-facto "home away from home" in-conference footprint bowl games anyway). If they cannot fill out their schedule among the over 100 schools in FBS, then why don't they drop their spot in the P5 conference? I guarantee that there are some ambitious Go5 schools that would happily drop playing FCS schools in return for a spot in a P5 conference.

And its also the case that "Most MAC fans think" is certainly hyperbole, when the evidence is what a handful of commentators said on some particular board of some particular sports talk bulletin board system.

I highly doubt that most D2 schools could beat Mount Union.......

(09-04-2014 07:46 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:08 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:14 AM)wmu2012 Wrote:  Every level has better and worse teams no doubt about it

In terms of truisms, the worst P5 teams are no better than the best Go5 teams, the worst Go5 teams are no better than the best FCS teams, the worst FCS teams are no better than the best Div2 teams, the worst Div2 teams are no better than the best Div3 teams. I reckon it could keep going, in that the worst Div3 teams are not better than the best big school HS teams and then keep it going from there.

But what a given Go5 team should aspire to is to be among the best Go5 teams, so it continues to be the case that if a Go5 school is "not beating an FCS school", that likely means it is not where it should aspire to be, among the best Go5 schools.

And its absurd for a P5 school to even be playing an FCS school or, like the Mississippi's in the SEC, duck playing any other P5 schools OOC at all, except in bowl games (and most SEC bowl games are de-facto "home away from home" in-conference footprint bowl games anyway). If they cannot fill out their schedule among the over 100 schools in FBS, then why don't they drop their spot in the P5 conference? I guarantee that there are some ambitious Go5 schools that would happily drop playing FCS schools in return for a spot in a P5 conference.

And its also the case that "Most MAC fans think" is certainly hyperbole, when the evidence is what a handful of commentators said on some particular board of some particular sports talk bulletin board system.

I highly doubt that most D2 schools could beat Mount Union.......

...and even fewer would beat Wis.-Whitewater.

(09-04-2014 09:02 AM)axeme Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 07:46 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:08 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:14 AM)wmu2012 Wrote:  Every level has better and worse teams no doubt about it

In terms of truisms, the worst P5 teams are no better than the best Go5 teams, the worst Go5 teams are no better than the best FCS teams, the worst FCS teams are no better than the best Div2 teams, the worst Div2 teams are no better than the best Div3 teams. I reckon it could keep going, in that the worst Div3 teams are not better than the best big school HS teams and then keep it going from there.

But what a given Go5 team should aspire to is to be among the best Go5 teams, so it continues to be the case that if a Go5 school is "not beating an FCS school", that likely means it is not where it should aspire to be, among the best Go5 schools.

And its absurd for a P5 school to even be playing an FCS school or, like the Mississippi's in the SEC, duck playing any other P5 schools OOC at all, except in bowl games (and most SEC bowl games are de-facto "home away from home" in-conference footprint bowl games anyway). If they cannot fill out their schedule among the over 100 schools in FBS, then why don't they drop their spot in the P5 conference? I guarantee that there are some ambitious Go5 schools that would happily drop playing FCS schools in return for a spot in a P5 conference.

And its also the case that "Most MAC fans think" is certainly hyperbole, when the evidence is what a handful of commentators said on some particular board of some particular sports talk bulletin board system.

I highly doubt that most D2 schools could beat Mount Union.......

...and even fewer would beat Wis.-Whitewater.

Good point.

IM an OAC guy so I go for MU, but most people wouldnt even know either.

(09-04-2014 09:34 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 09:02 AM)axeme Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 07:46 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:08 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:14 AM)wmu2012 Wrote:  Every level has better and worse teams no doubt about it

In terms of truisms, the worst P5 teams are no better than the best Go5 teams, the worst Go5 teams are no better than the best FCS teams, the worst FCS teams are no better than the best Div2 teams, the worst Div2 teams are no better than the best Div3 teams. I reckon it could keep going, in that the worst Div3 teams are not better than the best big school HS teams and then keep it going from there.

But what a given Go5 team should aspire to is to be among the best Go5 teams, so it continues to be the case that if a Go5 school is "not beating an FCS school", that likely means it is not where it should aspire to be, among the best Go5 schools.

And its absurd for a P5 school to even be playing an FCS school or, like the Mississippi's in the SEC, duck playing any other P5 schools OOC at all, except in bowl games (and most SEC bowl games are de-facto "home away from home" in-conference footprint bowl games anyway). If they cannot fill out their schedule among the over 100 schools in FBS, then why don't they drop their spot in the P5 conference? I guarantee that there are some ambitious Go5 schools that would happily drop playing FCS schools in return for a spot in a P5 conference.

And its also the case that "Most MAC fans think" is certainly hyperbole, when the evidence is what a handful of commentators said on some particular board of some particular sports talk bulletin board system.

I highly doubt that most D2 schools could beat Mount Union.......

...and even fewer would beat Wis.-Whitewater.

Good point.

IM an OAC guy so I go for MU, but most people wouldnt even know either.

ND St is as good as any Go5 team and better than several P5 teams as they have beaten Minnesota twice, Kansas, Kansas State last year (defending B12 champion) and Iowa State this year by 3 Td's with a brand new HC and mostly new starters.