I don't know about this. Plenty of street hockey in the suburbs. Cops aren't rolling up though worried about their lives.

Lots of excuses bring thrown out there. How about the content of the individuals ' character. Oops that doesn't fit the narrative, so let's stick with the color of the skin. Sad very sad and very played and old.


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This Ferguson situation has been one of the most overblown things I have ever seen. Let's remember that all of the anger started because of the eye witness testimony of an alleged co-conspirator in a strong arm robbery (15 minutes prior) that is wanted in a another jurisdiction for other charges, one of which is lying to police. And now his story doesn't seem consistent with the physical evidence.

Maybe folks in the media and the race hucksters should have waited a few days before lighting the flame of racism. IMO, people are injecting race in a situation where race played no part.

(08-24-2014 11:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't know about this. Plenty of street hockey in the suburbs. Cops aren't rolling up though worried about their lives.

I get it Mach...but, there is difference between kids playing street hockey on a suburban street and very little traffic AND two guys walking down a street surrounded by apartment buildings and therefore more traffic. If a cop asked the kids in the suburbs to take the game somewhere else, they would simply comply. Here, it appears that these two young men decided that they were close enough to where they were going to ignore the officer.

(08-24-2014 11:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't know about this. Plenty of street hockey in the suburbs. Cops aren't rolling up though worried about their lives.

You are making false comparisons. Street hockey is not an act of defiance.

(08-24-2014 12:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 11:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't know about this. Plenty of street hockey in the suburbs. Cops aren't rolling up though worried about their lives.

You are making false comparisons. Street hockey is not an act of defiance.

You're right. There is a difference between rolling up in a high crime area versus suburbia.

(08-24-2014 11:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't know about this. Plenty of street hockey in the suburbs. Cops aren't rolling up though worried about their lives.

Weak sauce Mach.

(08-24-2014 10:07 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 08:30 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I like ho's too.

Because you are.....

Don't be mad because Viagra isn't covered under your health plan.

(08-24-2014 01:12 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  ^

My point on the comparison is that the worst is generally assumed about black people while the best is assumed about whites (and I'm definitely generalizing there). And I'm not denying what you said, however there are still plenty of people who remember, have mental scars and teach/instill certain values in their children because of what happened in the past.

Also, a lot of people plea bargain because they don't they don't have access to competent defense (not my words but that of my criminal justice professor). Not trying to make excuses here so much as play the voice of reason.

Edited. Boy, that looks way different if that's not added in.

(08-24-2014 09:54 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 01:37 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I don't but honestly, pick up a history book. Whether it was slave masters unjustly killing/overworking their slaves, a Jim Crow and/or biased justice system, or a racially/socioeconomically biased jury among others, it's clear that blacks got an unfair shake and it has been RARE that a black person has gotten away with anything against a white person, which (presuming he was guilty) makes the OJ case that monumental.

There has not been a "slave master" in this nation for about six generations.
Jim Crow was done away with nearly two generations ago.

Those two things can never be sufficiently atoned for any more than sending a murderer to jail sufficiently makes it up to the victims family. At some point in time you accept the terrible things that happened in history as just that... history.

So long as we continue to blame present problems on people who have turned to dust we are never going to "move forward".

And I would not say that getting away with it is "RARE"... A lot of the thugs playing the knockout game are never caught.

Sigh. You're missing the point. I'm not dwelling on the past as some people of color do, I'm just clarifying the 1000:1 ratio comment and it's true, the odds were stacked against blacks. And just because things are better today doesn't make them perfect.

You seem to be missing my drift. I'm not making excuses for the past as much as I'm trying clarify attitudes of the present (as I perceive them). Also, let's not say all those things happened to those who are dead or even senile/old. As an example, a friend of mine's mother was going to be refused to give birth to her in a hospital ER until her water broke and she had to be treated...in 1986.

Then there was this, when UH's Phi Slama Jama team came to play SMU in Dallas in the early 80's:



Both of those (and more I won't list in just one post) happened in the 1980's, well within the lifetime of many people alive today.

Yes, there are still people who are racist for no apparent reason, even if that number has dwindled significantly and now there has been a rise in blacks being racist/oversensitive.

(08-24-2014 01:42 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 01:12 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  ^

My point on the comparison is that the worst is generally assumed about black people while the best is assumed about whites (and I'm definitely generalizing there). And I'm not denying what you said, however there are still plenty of people who remember, have mental scars and teach/instill certain values in their children because of what happened in the past.

Also, a lot of people plea bargain because they don't they don't have access to competent defense (not my words but that of my criminal justice professor). Not trying to make excuses here so much as play the voice of reason.

Edited. Boy, that looks way different if that's not added in.

Yeah...I always find it funny to reread some of my posts and find missing words. But, I think, in the end, everyone gets the gist of your argument

As to your generalization, I disagree. I think for people that are sensitive about race, this might happen. But, most people do not have this inherent hangup based on the race of a person. Most people base their assumptions on there person's overall body of work. Black man in a business suit is going to be seen in a better light than a white thug looking like a skinhead.

As to your crim justice prof, it is almost never an issue of competence, but an issue of time. Nevertheless, for a small portion of criminal defendants, counsel with a smaller caseloads would make a difference...but, just a marginal one. Most of these defendants are guilty of a crime -- everyone kinda knows that. The question for many Defendants is (1) whether they get the plea deal they are hoping for (or something close) and/or (2) can they affect the witnesses before trial. If the witnesses are showing up and they get a good deal, they take it.

(08-24-2014 01:37 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 10:07 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 08:30 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I like ho's too.

Because you are.....

Don't be mad because Viagra isn't covered under your health plan.

Only my b!tch would be concerned with my functioning parts.

Then you are misreading me. You could have a black kid in suburbia walking down the road and he wouldn't have to worry about his life bring taken by a cop. These police men are under tremendous pressure. They are already on edge. Put that cop in an area of high poverty and it puts pressure on the situation. Put him in a low crime area and that inherent pressure is less. We act like race is the factor when it really isn't. Is socioeconomic factors in reality.

Now a black kid in suburbia might be at risk from a neighborhood watch. To me that's more in the race arena.

(08-24-2014 02:08 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Then you are misreading me. You could have a black kid in suburbia walking down the road and he wouldn't have to worry about his life bring taken by a cop. These police men are under tremendous pressure. They are already on edge. Put that cop in an area of high poverty and it puts pressure on the situation. Put him in a low crime area and that inherent pressure is less. We act like race is the factor when it really isn't. Is socioeconomic factors in reality.

My parents taught me not to walk in traffic and to stay off the road. Evidently that is not the case today with some folks. I see these MOFO's everywhere...walking down the street blocking traffic. They in fact do so as if they have some right to the road. I have many times had to pull into the opposite lane to avoid hitting them. They simply refuse to leave the pavement for the side of the road. Honestly...I believe it is intentional arrogance...just to show everyone how tough or entitled they are. It pisses me off royally.

(08-24-2014 02:08 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Then you are misreading me. You could have a black kid in suburbia walking down the road and he wouldn't have to worry about his life bring taken by a cop. These police men are under tremendous pressure. They are already on edge. Put that cop in an area of high poverty and it puts pressure on the situation. Put him in a low crime area and that inherent pressure is less. We act like race is the factor when it really isn't. Is socioeconomic factors in reality.

Dude, you are making an easy thing difficult. It's not money or race...it's crime. When you patrol neighborhood A, which has as its major crimes truancy and shoplifting versus neighborhood B, which has as its median crimes agg assault and armed robbery (and murder, attempt murder, and assault on officers as its major crimes), then guess which neighborhood probably has a suspect that would put officers in a position to use deadly force.

(08-24-2014 02:10 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Now a black kid in suburbia might be at risk from a neighborhood watch. To me that's more in the race arena.

It depends on the neighborhood. If you look out of place?...You are likely going to be approached. One day that my change...but...not tomorrow.

(08-24-2014 02:05 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Yeah...I always find it funny to reread some of my posts and find missing words. But, I think, in the end, everyone gets the gist of your argument

As to your generalization, I disagree. I think for people that are sensitive about race, this might happen. But, most people do not have this inherent hangup based on the race of a person. Most people base their assumptions on there person's overall body of work. Black man in a business suit is going to be seen in a better light than a white thug looking like a skinhead.

As to your crim justice prof, it is almost never an issue of competence, but an issue of time. Nevertheless, for a small portion of criminal defendants, counsel with a smaller caseloads would make a difference...but, just a marginal one. Most of these defendants are guilty of a crime -- everyone kinda knows that. The question for many Defendants is (1) whether they get the plea deal they are hoping for (or something close) and/or (2) can they affect the witnesses before trial. If the witnesses are showing up and they get a good deal, they take it.

Most of my interactions with white people have been positive. However, it's like the scene in "The Matrix" where Morpheus explains to Neo about the nature of agents in the Matrix: they are everyone and they are no one.

Fact is, you generally don't know who is racist and who hides it because they know they will lose their livelihood if they say how they feel. Even as rational and fair as I think I am, I was ready to accuse someone of racism just a couple days ago at a restaurant before the manager explained to me why a certain policy was the way it was and it made perfect sense. Because of the past and because racist whites have to hide their attitudes, you really don't know when racism is occurring, which leads to much misunderstanding.

(08-24-2014 02:41 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:05 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Yeah...I always find it funny to reread some of my posts and find missing words. But, I think, in the end, everyone gets the gist of your argument

As to your generalization, I disagree. I think for people that are sensitive about race, this might happen. But, most people do not have this inherent hangup based on the race of a person. Most people base their assumptions on there person's overall body of work. Black man in a business suit is going to be seen in a better light than a white thug looking like a skinhead.

As to your crim justice prof, it is almost never an issue of competence, but an issue of time. Nevertheless, for a small portion of criminal defendants, counsel with a smaller caseloads would make a difference...but, just a marginal one. Most of these defendants are guilty of a crime -- everyone kinda knows that. The question for many Defendants is (1) whether they get the plea deal they are hoping for (or something close) and/or (2) can they affect the witnesses before trial. If the witnesses are showing up and they get a good deal, they take it.

Most of my interactions with white people have been positive. However, it's like the scene in "The Matrix" where Morpheus explains to Neo about the nature of agents in the Matrix: they are everyone and they are no one.

Fact is, you generally don't know who is racist and who hides it because they know they will lose their livelihood if they say how they feel. Even as rational and fair as I think I am, I was ready to accuse someone of racism just a couple days ago at a restaurant before the manager explained to me why a certain policy was the way it was and it made perfect sense. Because of the past and because racist whites have to hide their attitudes, you really don't know when racism is occurring, which leads to much misunderstanding.

I think you need to understand that we are all racists. Racism simply means identifying with a race. You are a racist and I am racist.