I really don't think NIU cares where they are from, if that went into their decision as to who should start, I'd feel disserviced as a fan, because all I care about is Ws. The kid could be from mars for all I care. Is it nice, sure but play the best kid and don't put any other thought than long term solution and current solution.

Plus if I remember correctly last year, the defense only had like one starter from Illinois. That was if either Santa or Payton was starting. Oh and my bad Wells.

As for the offense, almost all the skill players are from elsewhere. It just so happens the best players on the team are from outside Illinois.

(08-21-2014 07:10 AM)7 Wrote:  I'm switching my vote to Maddie...I think...lol.

no trade backs it is etched in stone.

(08-21-2014 07:36 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 11:52 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Something just tells me there is a lack of confidence in McIntosh. Perhaps also not to shatter confidence of Hare.

You play MM, no questions, you are in a sense dedicated more to him being an upperclassman. He doesn't get the job done, it would be hard to ever have him come back again, namely if he sits. Not sure what you would get for next year. You start MM however, I believe they will also work in Hare from time to time. Seeing that he saw time last year, he would probably think he deserved time.

You start Hare, you will go to MM should he fail. No doubt. There would be a shorter leash than MM, especially if they are losing. But not sure if you make packages for him.

I don't see Maddie starting over 2 guys w/ experience. I think it also causes a little dissention. If Hare feels he has become 3, especially if MM gets packages backing Maddie, I don't think he is sticking around. Maddie I think would stick if he didn't play.

I think it's a lot more complicated than people think. This is 2 year planning. Sure, it's win now, go with your best shot, but I don't think that is an issue. My guess isn't much difference in talent. I think it's a spark the team factor as well as create something to build upon. But also as seen before in a guy like Grady, while different circumstances, his stock fell from 1 to basically 3 in a hurry. One final thought may be who recruited them and where they are from. McIntosh is an Evansville guy. Don't think NIU recruits much there. Hare is a Stl guy, more recent recruit. NIU has hit the area before and may continue. Maddie is the transfer, but local kid. Would starting a transfer be negative? Likely outweighed by local kid factor though.

We shall see, but I think it's MM with Hare right there, getting the opportunity part time.

You did some good analysis, but mother of god I hope "where they were recruited from" has absolutely no impact on who takes the reigns as QB....just get me the best arm, vision, awareness, and agility and put the ball in that bastards hands!


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I think it could, especially when a race seems to be close, as this does. May also make a race close. I am by no means saying it is right, is a major factor here. I think in other regions it is no doubt. Donors like to win, but when you win with "ousiders" it's worse. But I think it may be down the list, and I think it's part of "making everyone happy" and building a program. If you look at UI, they used to get much better players from Chicago. Simply saying "they suck" isn't an answer why it happened. They had started to go juco route, transfers, out of state. Basketball may be a better example for them.They did, they won, could not sustain. But look at their qb situation. They brought in the kid from OSU to start, while they have played Bailey parts of 2 years. You think kids want to go to a school where you pay your dues for 2 years only to have a 1st year guy take your job? Call it win now, which is what a program like IL and coach like Beckman needs to keep his job. Without micro analyzing every team, the Ohio State's, Michigan's, Texas, Penn State (pre-scandal) OK's, Florida, Nebraska's of the world didn't get where they are recruiting out of state, transfers. Yes, you need them sometimes, they fill holes. But right now, this State is becoming ripe for NIU to get 3 star players. As NIU to B12 on FB posted, NIU IS the most popular college team in and from Illinois!!!

I'm sticking with Hare. Until I change my mind again. I feel like Alum with his constantly changing predictions about W/L record.

Again if the coach is considering where the kid is from as a starter, NIU or whoever hired the wrong coach.

All the teams you named outside of Nebraska have better football talent in state than NIU and are the preeminent institution in their state.

You're really grasping for straws, man.

How is winning with outsiders worse? Last years offense had 4 starters from the state of Illinois (lynch, both browns Ryan and Da'Ron, Loos and Stingily) on defense, they had two IL starters (whoever was playing Lb Between Payton lemon and Santa and then wells.

Outsiders and one of the best college players from Illinois got NIU to the OB, if that's not worth winning you're a greedy greedy man.

If it's a tossup maybe they should go with a guy that has more years of eligibility left.

(08-21-2014 11:11 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Again if the coach is considering where the kid is from as a starter, NIU or whoever hired the wrong coach.

All the teams you named outside of Nebraska have better football talent in state than NIU and are the preeminent institution in their state.

You're really grasping for straws, man.

How is winning with outsiders worse? Last years offense had 4 starters from the state of Illinois (lynch, both browns Ryan and Da'Ron, Loos and Stingily) on defense, they had two IL starters (whoever was playing Lb Between Payton lemon and Santa and then wells.

Outsiders and one of the best college players from Illinois got NIU to the OB, if that's not worth winning you're a greedy greedy man.

When did I say that?

You are putting words in my mouth.

QB is the marquee position we are talking about for the most part. Lynch played because he was better. They guy everyone said "would be a field manager." A guy somewhat in the mix with Grady who somehow played over Harnish, either hurt or coach. Was Grady better than Lynch at the time? How did he start over him? I am sure many "think" they know and say no way. Was it better for Lynch? Time will tell if he helped recruiting more locally or nationally.And yes, NIU did get to next spot recruiting from "elsewhere." But you can also in one bad recruiting move...be it the guy sucked, was a problem on/off field, plain old lack of playing time lose an area outside of your State too.

We need a guy that can run and that can throw; a guy that has played at a high level of competition and has won. A guy who is a leader.

And that guy is . . . :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g6odCQjQTc

(hint, throw in some chocolate and marshmellows and you got S'mores!)

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Donors like to win, but when you win with "ousiders" it's worse.
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I didn't make that up, it was said. That quote didn't work right, but read your original post and you say it's worse.

(08-21-2014 12:13 PM)chihuskie Wrote:  We need a guy that can run and that can throw; a guy that has played at a high level of competition and has won. A guy who is a leader.

And that guy is . . . :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g6odCQjQTc

(hint, throw in some chocolate and marshmellows and you got S'mores!)

No gingers por favor!

Donors like to win, but when you win with "ousiders" it's worse.
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I didn't make that up, it was said. That quote didn't work right, but read your original post and you say it's worse.
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Yes, I meant lose.

My apologies.

(08-21-2014 12:43 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 12:17 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

Donors like to win, but when you win with "ousiders" it's worse.

I didn't make that up, it was said. That quote didn't work right, but read your original post and you say it's worse.
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Yes, I meant lose.

My apologies.
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No big deal, I was just like how is winning worse? Lol

I can see your sentiment on losing if they aren't "your" guys or local what have you.

I just really have a hard time buying they are putting the local aspect in to the position. That's just my opinion.

Rest if the stuff was good analysis. Sorry if it came off the wrong way.

McIntosh talks like a JR
Maddie is ripped
Hare has the Jay Cuttler "whatever" look

@NIUAthletics: .@NIU_Football position previews come to a close today with the quarterbacks http://t.co/L1pI7mqUsD

So what happens if it rains on Thursday preventing any decent passing game to happen? Do you go with the QB who made the least mistakes or the QB who made the biggest plays?....assuming all 3 play on Thursday.

(08-21-2014 01:08 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  McIntosh talks like a JR
Maddie is ripped
Hare has the Jay Cuttler "whatever" look

@NIUAthletics: .@NIU_Football position previews come to a close today with the quarterbacks http://t.co/L1pI7mqUsD

Funny seeing the contrast of Maddie v. Hare....Maddie with the stereotypical QB body vs. Hare, who looks like he loves his couch and cheetos time

(08-21-2014 12:47 PM)NIU8484 Wrote:  

Just on body type alone. Root looks the best. And that's impressive for a true freshman.

Yeah, Hare is going to be a fatty when he stops playing. Gonna go out on a limb and say he's not the most agile of the 3.

Memories

myself Wrote:This isn't a dilema at all. All reports from Lynch are positive, and QB is the most important position on the field. Give Lynch two years to develop behind Harnish and Grady and he'll be ready to step in and 2012.

It's an ideal situation, not a dilema.

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