Increments gentlemen. Its unfortunate, but you cant just turn a 100 year old system on a dime. 4 teams is not ideal and we all know it. But its not about a secret plot to disenfranchise the G5 (remember, AT LEAST one P5 conference will be left out every year too). Its about appeasing the Bowls.

The Bowls were the NCAA tournament...now they are the NIT. This is giving them a window to prepare for a world of lower payouts, lower attendance and lower salaries and probably for many, shutting down shop for every Bowl that isn't one of the Big 6 (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Peach and Fiesta)

I have no doubt that 8 teams is coming. And though I think it should simply be the Top 8 teams regardless of conference, we all know people want guarantees no matter if its deserved or not. Thats why I think we will end up with something akin to what AttackCoog wants, AQs for the P5 champs and highest ranked G5 + 2 wild card spots.

We'll get there and probably sooner than later

(08-22-2014 09:33 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Increments gentlemen. Its unfortunate, but you cant just turn a 100 year old system on a dime. 4 teams is not ideal and we all know it. But its not about a secret plot to disenfranchise the G5 (remember, AT LEAST one P5 conference will be left out every year too). Its about appeasing the Bowls.

The Bowls were the NCAA tournament...now they are the NIT. This is giving them a window to prepare for a world of lower payouts, lower attendance and lower salaries and probably for many, shutting down shop for every Bowl that isn't one of the Big 6 (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Peach and Fiesta)

I have no doubt that 8 teams is coming. And though I think it should simply be the Top 8 teams regardless of conference, we all know people want guarantees no matter if its deserved or not. Thats why I think we will end up with something akin to what AttackCoog wants, AQs for the P5 champs and highest ranked G5 + 2 wild card spots.

We'll get there and probably sooner than later

Not only is CFP not a tool disenfranchise the G5 it strengthens the G5.

-The G5 get a big boost in money (though most will likely go to the student enhancement funds)
- The G5 get guaranteed every year access for the top champ instead of Top 8 initially of the BCS which morphed into Top 12 or 16 if an AQ champ were rated lower.
- The G5 never had a team ranked one or two in the BCS years but there were a few years where a G5 was three or four. A G5 that puts a couple good seasons back-to-back can earn the respect required to be in the top 4 or you can have a fluke year where a G5 runs the table impressively and all the P5 champs look underwhelming.

If I'm a G5 AD or coach, I like what I have in August of 2014 much better than what I had in August of 2013. They could grump about needing to pony up some added cash on top of the CFP money to really do the soon to be proposed enhancements but that cost isn't nearly as significant as the increased chance to play in the Access Bowl or the larger chance to actually make the playoff field.

The G5 have far greater opportunity to reposition how their brand is viewed in the CFP system than they ever had in the BCS.

(08-22-2014 08:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I like this 8 team playoff model. There is no reason for the top G5 team to be left out. There is no reason for any P5 champs to be left out.

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+3 So spot on!

Spot on .... G5 schools have never had it so good. Ever.

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(08-22-2014 11:04 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 09:33 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Increments gentlemen. Its unfortunate, but you cant just turn a 100 year old system on a dime. 4 teams is not ideal and we all know it. But its not about a secret plot to disenfranchise the G5 (remember, AT LEAST one P5 conference will be left out every year too). Its about appeasing the Bowls.

The Bowls were the NCAA tournament...now they are the NIT. This is giving them a window to prepare for a world of lower payouts, lower attendance and lower salaries and probably for many, shutting down shop for every Bowl that isn't one of the Big 6 (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Peach and Fiesta)

I have no doubt that 8 teams is coming. And though I think it should simply be the Top 8 teams regardless of conference, we all know people want guarantees no matter if its deserved or not. Thats why I think we will end up with something akin to what AttackCoog wants, AQs for the P5 champs and highest ranked G5 + 2 wild card spots.

We'll get there and probably sooner than later

Not only is CFP not a tool disenfranchise the G5 it strengthens the G5.

-The G5 get a big boost in money (though most will likely go to the student enhancement funds)
- The G5 get guaranteed every year access for the top champ instead of Top 8 initially of the BCS which morphed into Top 12 or 16 if an AQ champ were rated lower.
- The G5 never had a team ranked one or two in the BCS years but there were a few years where a G5 was three or four. A G5 that puts a couple good seasons back-to-back can earn the respect required to be in the top 4 or you can have a fluke year where a G5 runs the table impressively and all the P5 champs look underwhelming.

If I'm a G5 AD or coach, I like what I have in August of 2014 much better than what I had in August of 2013. They could grump about needing to pony up some added cash on top of the CFP money to really do the soon to be proposed enhancements but that cost isn't nearly as significant as the increased chance to play in the Access Bowl or the larger chance to actually make the playoff field.

The G5 have far greater opportunity to reposition how their brand is viewed in the CFP system than they ever had in the BCS.

Agreed, though is the opportunity to improve branding something that will benefit the conferences, or just the teams that do well in the new system? Utah and TCU each made two BCS bowls in the old system. That benefitted Utah and TCU far more than it benefitted the MWC. And the WAC? Boise was in two BCS bowls, and notched the most famous victory for a BCS buster, and Hawaii made a BCS bowl -- and they moved into the MWC while the WAC kept getting cherrypicked and went out of the football business.

They would probably do better with that than they do managing our country.

(08-22-2014 11:04 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 09:33 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Increments gentlemen. Its unfortunate, but you cant just turn a 100 year old system on a dime. 4 teams is not ideal and we all know it. But its not about a secret plot to disenfranchise the G5 (remember, AT LEAST one P5 conference will be left out every year too). Its about appeasing the Bowls.

The Bowls were the NCAA tournament...now they are the NIT. This is giving them a window to prepare for a world of lower payouts, lower attendance and lower salaries and probably for many, shutting down shop for every Bowl that isn't one of the Big 6 (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Peach and Fiesta)

I have no doubt that 8 teams is coming. And though I think it should simply be the Top 8 teams regardless of conference, we all know people want guarantees no matter if its deserved or not. Thats why I think we will end up with something akin to what AttackCoog wants, AQs for the P5 champs and highest ranked G5 + 2 wild card spots.

We'll get there and probably sooner than later

Not only is CFP not a tool disenfranchise the G5 it strengthens the G5.

-The G5 get a big boost in money (though most will likely go to the student enhancement funds)
- The G5 get guaranteed every year access for the top champ instead of Top 8 initially of the BCS which morphed into Top 12 or 16 if an AQ champ were rated lower.
- The G5 never had a team ranked one or two in the BCS years but there were a few years where a G5 was three or four. A G5 that puts a couple good seasons back-to-back can earn the respect required to be in the top 4 or you can have a fluke year where a G5 runs the table impressively and all the P5 champs look underwhelming.

If I'm a G5 AD or coach, I like what I have in August of 2014 much better than what I had in August of 2013. They could grump about needing to pony up some added cash on top of the CFP money to really do the soon to be proposed enhancements but that cost isn't nearly as significant as the increased chance to play in the Access Bowl or the larger chance to actually make the playoff field.

The G5 have far greater opportunity to reposition how their brand is viewed in the CFP system than they ever had in the BCS.

If anyone thinks this setup is an improvement over the previous steup, please put down the "hippy lettuce". There is no way on God's green earth the P5 Selection Committee will ever allow a G5 team to make the playoffs. They (P5) don't want the G5 sullying "their" playoffs. Also, this nonsense about their being guaranteed "access", and trying to pass it off as a good thing, needs to stop. The ONLY reason the G5 got their "access" was to keep Congress and the courts off their a$$. By giving the commonfolk (G5) their "access", they won't have to worry about lawsuits and congressional hearings.

(08-22-2014 02:14 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  If anyone thinks this setup is an improvement over the previous steup, please put down the "hippy lettuce". There is no way on God's green earth the P5 Selection Committee will ever allow a G5 team to make the playoffs. They (P5) don't want the G5 sullying "their" playoffs. Also, this nonsense about their being guaranteed "access", and trying to pass it off as a good thing, needs to stop. The ONLY reason the G5 got their "access" was to keep Congress and the courts off their a$$. By giving the commonfolk (G5) their "access", they won't have to worry about lawsuits and congressional hearings.

Which P5 conference's 2-loss champ bumps an unbeaten G5 champ (with multiple top 25 wins on the resume)?
Maybe the SEC, maybe.
But history tells us an unbeaten G5 with a quality resume is a top 4 team according to the writers, coaches, and the computers.
If you think the newly formed committee is going to disagree with all of those opinions, just to exclude a deserving G5, then I believe that you are mistaken.
The powers do plenty to stay in power, but that is one trick they'd never pull.

(08-22-2014 02:14 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 11:04 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 09:33 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Increments gentlemen. Its unfortunate, but you cant just turn a 100 year old system on a dime. 4 teams is not ideal and we all know it. But its not about a secret plot to disenfranchise the G5 (remember, AT LEAST one P5 conference will be left out every year too). Its about appeasing the Bowls.

The Bowls were the NCAA tournament...now they are the NIT. This is giving them a window to prepare for a world of lower payouts, lower attendance and lower salaries and probably for many, shutting down shop for every Bowl that isn't one of the Big 6 (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Peach and Fiesta)

I have no doubt that 8 teams is coming. And though I think it should simply be the Top 8 teams regardless of conference, we all know people want guarantees no matter if its deserved or not. Thats why I think we will end up with something akin to what AttackCoog wants, AQs for the P5 champs and highest ranked G5 + 2 wild card spots.

We'll get there and probably sooner than later

Not only is CFP not a tool disenfranchise the G5 it strengthens the G5.

-The G5 get a big boost in money (though most will likely go to the student enhancement funds)
- The G5 get guaranteed every year access for the top champ instead of Top 8 initially of the BCS which morphed into Top 12 or 16 if an AQ champ were rated lower.
- The G5 never had a team ranked one or two in the BCS years but there were a few years where a G5 was three or four. A G5 that puts a couple good seasons back-to-back can earn the respect required to be in the top 4 or you can have a fluke year where a G5 runs the table impressively and all the P5 champs look underwhelming.

If I'm a G5 AD or coach, I like what I have in August of 2014 much better than what I had in August of 2013. They could grump about needing to pony up some added cash on top of the CFP money to really do the soon to be proposed enhancements but that cost isn't nearly as significant as the increased chance to play in the Access Bowl or the larger chance to actually make the playoff field.

The G5 have far greater opportunity to reposition how their brand is viewed in the CFP system than they ever had in the BCS.

If anyone thinks this setup is an improvement over the previous steup, please put down the "hippy lettuce". There is no way on God's green earth the P5 Selection Committee will ever allow a G5 team to make the playoffs. They (P5) don't want the G5 sullying "their" playoffs. Also, this nonsense about their being guaranteed "access", and trying to pass it off as a good thing, needs to stop. The ONLY reason the G5 got their "access" was to keep Congress and the courts off their a$$. By giving the commonfolk (G5) their "access", they won't have to worry about lawsuits and congressional hearings.

I can play the slur game too. Think you are having separation anxiety.

The committee exists to project credibility and that doesn't happen if a G5 is a consensus top 4 of the human polls and gets left out.

(08-22-2014 02:14 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 11:04 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 09:33 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Increments gentlemen. Its unfortunate, but you cant just turn a 100 year old system on a dime. 4 teams is not ideal and we all know it. But its not about a secret plot to disenfranchise the G5 (remember, AT LEAST one P5 conference will be left out every year too). Its about appeasing the Bowls.

The Bowls were the NCAA tournament...now they are the NIT. This is giving them a window to prepare for a world of lower payouts, lower attendance and lower salaries and probably for many, shutting down shop for every Bowl that isn't one of the Big 6 (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Peach and Fiesta)

I have no doubt that 8 teams is coming. And though I think it should simply be the Top 8 teams regardless of conference, we all know people want guarantees no matter if its deserved or not. Thats why I think we will end up with something akin to what AttackCoog wants, AQs for the P5 champs and highest ranked G5 + 2 wild card spots.

We'll get there and probably sooner than later

Not only is CFP not a tool disenfranchise the G5 it strengthens the G5.

-The G5 get a big boost in money (though most will likely go to the student enhancement funds)
- The G5 get guaranteed every year access for the top champ instead of Top 8 initially of the BCS which morphed into Top 12 or 16 if an AQ champ were rated lower.
- The G5 never had a team ranked one or two in the BCS years but there were a few years where a G5 was three or four. A G5 that puts a couple good seasons back-to-back can earn the respect required to be in the top 4 or you can have a fluke year where a G5 runs the table impressively and all the P5 champs look underwhelming.

If I'm a G5 AD or coach, I like what I have in August of 2014 much better than what I had in August of 2013. They could grump about needing to pony up some added cash on top of the CFP money to really do the soon to be proposed enhancements but that cost isn't nearly as significant as the increased chance to play in the Access Bowl or the larger chance to actually make the playoff field.

The G5 have far greater opportunity to reposition how their brand is viewed in the CFP system than they ever had in the BCS.

If anyone thinks this setup is an improvement over the previous steup, please put down the "hippy lettuce". There is no way on God's green earth the P5 Selection Committee will ever allow a G5 team to make the playoffs. They (P5) don't want the G5 sullying "their" playoffs. Also, this nonsense about their being guaranteed "access", and trying to pass it off as a good thing, needs to stop. The ONLY reason the G5 got their "access" was to keep Congress and the courts off their a$$. By giving the commonfolk (G5) their "access", they won't have to worry about lawsuits and congressional hearings.

Its definitely an improvement. Having a chance at 1 of 4 is much better than 1 of 2. And even though the committee will probably rank a G5 lower than the BCS did, you have to remember that the BCS was rigged to keep the G5 out. So there is only so much more they can do. A TCU 2010 would still get in.