(08-21-2014 07:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 05:36 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 04:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 01:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 01:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I said some time ago that Congress might be the last hope of saving the current "amateur" model of college sports. Even with interference from Congress, many of the changes on the horizon would come anyway (stipends, new rights for college athletes, athletes sharing in profits, etc), but action by congress could protect college athletics from further attacks and maybe even make the post season more accessible to everyone (that last part is just my opinion--but its the type of thing that might be required to get the wide ranging support such a bill would need). The problem is--you never know whats going to happen once the government gets involved---lots of deals need to get made to make legislation happen.


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Look, I've got nothing against you. But the very premise that Congress can save anything is ludicrous. They can't even agree on the budget which is their job to set. They are agents of special interest and lobby money. I guarantee you if they get involved it will be more screwed up than ever and once involved you'll never get the Hogs noses out of that trough either.

JR, government is already involved in college athletics via funding/Pell Grants, the legal system, and Title IX (just to name a few areas). Hell, the majority of the University system owes its actual existence to some level of government. At this point, we are just discussing how much more they could be involved and whether Congressional intervention could save more of the current athletics model than allowing the legal system to simply play out. That said, a healthy suspicion of the words "Im with the government and Im here to help" is always wise.

Every one of those things you cited were enacted at a time when Congress was FAR less polarized than it is today. As JR correctly notes, they now cannot even agree on a basic budget, let alone delve into something as novel and controversial as this. FWIW, I doubt the government gets involved in this. Oh, don't get me wrong, there may be plenty of pronouncements, as is common, but that's about as far as it will go, IMO.


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Actually Harry Reid refuses to even try. He didn't even do one when Dems controlled the House and Senate. They finally did this past year for the first time.

Exactly! See my second post immediately above yours.


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(08-18-2014 05:27 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 04:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:42 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Defined "gets destroyed"..

If Kessler wins, is Harvard going to stop playing Yale in college football...?

Non-revenue sports get decimated. A lot of schools drop football. I suspect the Ivies will drop football soon (next 20 years) anyway because of the concussion issue. NCAA is in a different form, which may involve high-revenue schools breaking away which shuts down athletic teams and/or programs at hundreds of Division II and III schools who no longer are funded by the Division I bb tourney.

Sounds like you just described "evolution" and/or "survival of the fittest" to me.

Or, it sounds like what happens during one of those west coast fires -- stuff gets burned up (destroyed), and stuff rebuilds.

I think there is value in the non-revs.

^There is also value in club sports.

If you can tack a referendum on revising the NCAA to a Bill for raising Congress' pay, it may be able to pass. Other then that, there's no hope.

I think at the end of the day, that only the strong survive!

You have to ask yourself:

Where is this massive injustice that requires Congress to step in?

We now have a playoff. A playoff that is open to all conferences equally even if not all conferences are equal. There are no AQs and by definition, P5 conferences will get left out every year.

Bowl access? The system forces a major bowl to give a slot to a G5 team even though none of them may want to take a G5 team and nothing is stopping the G5 from making a deal with a high tier bowl but themselves and the butts in the seats and eyeballs they attract.

(08-21-2014 09:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You have to ask yourself:

Where is this massive injustice that requires Congress to step in?

We now have a playoff. A playoff that is open to all conferences equally even if not all conferences are equal. There are no AQs and by definition, P5 conferences will get left out every year.

Bowl access? The system forces a major bowl to give a slot to a G5 team even though none of them may want to take a G5 team and nothing is stopping the G5 from making a deal with a high tier bowl but themselves and the butts in the seats and eyeballs they attract.

Again, the strong will survive!

It will be interesting to see who really are the strong in the next
decade or two. Personally, I see less inventory and less bowls.

(08-21-2014 09:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You have to ask yourself:

Where is this massive injustice that requires Congress to step in?

We now have a playoff. A playoff that is open to all conferences equally even if not all conferences are equal. There are no AQs and by definition, P5 conferences will get left out every year.

Bowl access? The system forces a major bowl to give a slot to a G5 team even though none of them may want to take a G5 team and nothing is stopping the G5 from making a deal with a high tier bowl but themselves and the butts in the seats and eyeballs they attract.

There's nothing wrong your points, but I would like to add that your points talk to the existing situation, and means nothing if the P5 programs take full advantage of their new autonomy. I fear those P5 conferences know damn well that the government is ineffective and are unlikely to get involved, and plan on exploiting that ineffectiveness. Which could equate to more bully pulpit behavior towards the G5 schools. There's never enough for these P5 programs.

If the P5 becomes the P6, lights out because it is over for all that are in the P6. It is where it is ultimately head in my opinion. Six (6) conferences of 14 teams each is 84 teams and no independents.

The AAC and several other G5 have said they will adopt every new measure the P5 does. They are fully allowed to do so. If that's the case then again, where is the injustice?

Aresco says the AAC is a power conference.

If that's true then they will have to spend like a power conference does. Bringing in the revenue to cover that spending is up to the AACs fans and boosters.

(08-21-2014 10:41 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The AAC and several other G5 have said they will adopt every new measure the P5 does. They are fully allowed to do so. If that's the case then again, where is the injustice?

I may have to work the Saturday of our game want my seats?

Would love them but I'm out of town on business that weekend :(

(08-21-2014 09:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You have to ask yourself:

Where is this massive injustice that requires Congress to step in?

We now have a playoff. A playoff that is open to all conferences equally even if not all conferences are equal. There are no AQs and by definition, P5 conferences will get left out every year.

Bowl access? The system forces a major bowl to give a slot to a G5 team even though none of them may want to take a G5 team and nothing is stopping the G5 from making a deal with a high tier bowl but themselves and the butts in the seats and eyeballs they attract.

You truly are smoking some pretty powerful "hippy lettuce" if you, for one second, believe the bolded text.

Why is that not true?

It's the Top 4 teams regardless of conference.

Do we really believe there will never be another Hawaii/Utah/TCU/Boise type team that makes the Top 4 ever again?

I absolutely don't believe that.

(08-21-2014 10:41 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The AAC and several other G5 have said they will adopt every new measure the P5 does. They are fully allowed to do so. If that's the case then again, where is the injustice?

Aresco says the AAC is a power conference.

If that's true then they will have to spend like a power conference does. Bringing in the revenue to cover that spending is up to the AACs fans and boosters.

I wasn't speaking to the AAC specifically. Just the G5 in general. But I agree that the AAC is better positioned than the other G5 conferences. Question is, is that even enough for the AAC? A lot depends on how serious AAC fan bases show up and support their teams, but there is a real push by the P5 conferences to keep the AAC in their place, imo at least. And that is a big hurdle.

(08-21-2014 10:58 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Why is that not true?

It's the Top 4 teams regardless of conference.

Do we really believe there will never be another Hawaii/Utah/TCU/Boise type team that makes the Top 4 ever again?

I absolutely don't believe that.

You are spot on here, 10th.
And while there's no question that a number of G5 teams don't have the OOC schedule strength to make top 4, enough of us do (and all can in the future by adding one or two quality P5s on the schedule) that this by far the fairest and most inclusive system for determining a national champ since the dawn of the BCS.
Meanwhile, nobody in the G5 EVER had a chance at top 2 in the old BCS system.

(08-21-2014 10:58 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Why is that not true?

It's the Top 4 teams regardless of conference.

Do we really believe there will never be another Hawaii/Utah/TCU/Boise type team that makes the Top 4 ever again?

I absolutely don't believe that.

You mean the playoff where the participants are decided by a selection committee made up of all power conference representatives? Let's try one where the committee is all G5 representatives and see the howls of injustice from the p5. The G5 playoff access is window dressing. In 12 years, without reform, we probably will not see a single G5 playoff participant. Way too much institutional bias to overcome.

I think we could have a long term solution when the playoff gets to 8. All 5 P5 champs with AQ access. Top G5 champ gets AQ access. Two wild cards from the remaining field to fill out the bracket. That guarantees the regular season championship race means something. That guarantees the top two teams in the nation always are in the playoff regardless of cCG upsets. That provides direct acces to the G5 half of FBS. That provides an access route for Indys (wildcard). It's not perfect, but it's a solution that keeps most everyone happy and could probably stay in place for the text several generations without significant change being needed.

Honestly, I'm on both sides here.

This system was created with every intention of not giving G5 teams equal opportunity. Why would we not go to an eight team playoff instead of four what logical sense did that really make? With eight teams the best five conferences all would have had representation and there would have been room for the best G5 team and two at large teams.

Literally everyone wins in that scenario and G5 teams will be able to recruit better.

That is exactly what the P5 do not want.

I like this 8 team playoff model. There is no reason for the top G5 team to be left out. There is no reason for any P5 champs to be left out.

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