(08-17-2014 08:44 PM)Underdog Wrote:  I was watching the program yesterday, and the analysts picked the toughest power conference. However, there were only four listed: the SEC, PAC 12, Big 10, and Big 12. The SEC was unanimously voted the toughest while the PAC 12 was voted second. When it came to the ACC, one analyst said the ACC has the best team in the country (FSU), Clemson, and…. Everyone on the panel started laughing. He was the only analyst to even mention the ACC!

It appears that, next to B12, AAC fans attack ACC the second most. This thread, like so many others, started by a AAC fan. That's fine. I like a free and open board with everyone free to express an opinion. And if anyone doesn't like that, then don't come to this board. But I would like to note that if anyone questions claims made by AAC--similar to the questioning and mocking of B12 and ACC on this board, they get called a troll by many AAC posters.

(08-18-2014 08:39 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 08:44 PM)Underdog Wrote:  I was watching the program yesterday, and the analysts picked the toughest power conference. However, there were only four listed: the SEC, PAC 12, Big 10, and Big 12. The SEC was unanimously voted the toughest while the PAC 12 was voted second. When it came to the ACC, one analyst said the ACC has the best team in the country (FSU), Clemson, and…. Everyone on the panel started laughing. He was the only analyst to even mention the ACC!

It appears that, next to B12, AAC fans attack ACC the second most. This thread, like so many others, started by a AAC fan. That's fine. I like a free and open board with everyone free to express an opinion. And if anyone doesn't like that, then don't come to this board. But I would like to note that if anyone questions claims made by AAC--similar to the questioning and mocking of B12 and ACC on this board, they get called a troll by many AAC posters.

I guess you either didn't or couldn't read this:

(08-17-2014 09:15 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 09:07 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 08:56 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 08:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 08:44 PM)Underdog Wrote:  I was watching the program yesterday, and the analysts picked the toughest power conference. However, there were only four listed: the SEC, PAC 12, Big 10, and Big 12. The SEC was unanimously voted the toughest while the PAC 12 was voted second. When it came to the ACC, one analyst said the ACC has the best team in the country (FSU), Clemson, and…. Everyone on the panel started laughing. He was the only analyst to even mention the ACC!

You mean the current National Champion ACC?

That was mentioned by the only analyst that brought up the ACC. His exact words, "I know the ACC people will say all we have is the National Championship. You have the best team in the country, but that doesn't make you the best conference; Clemson, and then...." You then hear another analyst say “cricket… cricket…” while everyone is laughing.

1) I'm not an ACC people
2) Nobody is suggesting the ACC is the best conference...just that they don't deserve to be laughed at. Current National Champion is probably good enough for that purpose.
3) They are idiots.

You're acting like I was the host of the show.... I was just as surprised as you about a conference getting mocked and snubbed on national TV that has the current National Champion. I was also surprised that Louisville's entrance into the conference was not considered....

If you want to make this about you and me, I would appreciate it if you send me a pm....

(08-18-2014 07:32 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 06:42 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I have never really figured out in my life these two things:



1) Why people watch or listen to sports talk shows and "analysts"?

2) Why people give a damn what these jackholes ever say about anything?


It is truly a deep mystery to me. Isn't it all just "white noise", anyway? They are often wrong and just say crap to be controversial so people will tune in.

They are similar to politicians who say things to get attention but mostly don't even believe in what they are saying.

Neither group ever changes my mind or opinion about anything, anyway. Why listen? It is just a one way conversation, at best.

I just recently cancelled my Sirius account because I never use it since I stream music in my car via Pandora and bluetooth.

I never tune in to AM or FM radio. If I turned any of them on the last thing I would want to hear is any talk show.

I have DirecTV but never watch ESPN or any other "sports and entertainment network" unless I am watching actual game action.


Nothing really counts except what happens on the field. Who cares what some ex-coach or ex-jock or some "sports journalist" says about anything?

I never know what any of them say unless I read it on a message board because I never watch any of their "shows".

You've spent 2 Months, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 1 Hour, 43 Minutes, 13 Seconds of your life on this message board reading posts written by fans? Is that better?

Spot on Lurker Above... not to mention his 7,354 post.

(08-18-2014 07:53 AM)cardshouse Wrote:  They mad. The OP went out of his way to prove it.

Who is "they" and why are "they Mad?" Moreover, what did I go out of my way to prove?

(08-18-2014 09:50 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 07:32 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 06:42 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I have never really figured out in my life these two things:



1) Why people watch or listen to sports talk shows and "analysts"?

2) Why people give a damn what these jackholes ever say about anything?


It is truly a deep mystery to me. Isn't it all just "white noise", anyway? They are often wrong and just say crap to be controversial so people will tune in.

They are similar to politicians who say things to get attention but mostly don't even believe in what they are saying.

Neither group ever changes my mind or opinion about anything, anyway. Why listen? It is just a one way conversation, at best.

I just recently cancelled my Sirius account because I never use it since I stream music in my car via Pandora and bluetooth.

I never tune in to AM or FM radio. If I turned any of them on the last thing I would want to hear is any talk show.

I have DirecTV but never watch ESPN or any other "sports and entertainment network" unless I am watching actual game action.


Nothing really counts except what happens on the field. Who cares what some ex-coach or ex-jock or some "sports journalist" says about anything?

I never know what any of them say unless I read it on a message board because I never watch any of their "shows".

You've spent 2 Months, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 1 Hour, 43 Minutes, 13 Seconds of your life on this message board reading posts written by fans? Is that better?

Spot on Lurker Above... not to mention his 7,354 post.

Did you read my response post to him above?

(08-17-2014 08:53 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  No 'Murican?

Na. That would be if they were talking about basketball. hehehe

(08-18-2014 10:03 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:50 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 07:32 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 06:42 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I have never really figured out in my life these two things:



1) Why people watch or listen to sports talk shows and "analysts"?

2) Why people give a damn what these jackholes ever say about anything?


It is truly a deep mystery to me. Isn't it all just "white noise", anyway? They are often wrong and just say crap to be controversial so people will tune in.

They are similar to politicians who say things to get attention but mostly don't even believe in what they are saying.

Neither group ever changes my mind or opinion about anything, anyway. Why listen? It is just a one way conversation, at best.

I just recently cancelled my Sirius account because I never use it since I stream music in my car via Pandora and bluetooth.

I never tune in to AM or FM radio. If I turned any of them on the last thing I would want to hear is any talk show.

I have DirecTV but never watch ESPN or any other "sports and entertainment network" unless I am watching actual game action.


Nothing really counts except what happens on the field. Who cares what some ex-coach or ex-jock or some "sports journalist" says about anything?

I never know what any of them say unless I read it on a message board because I never watch any of their "shows".

You've spent 2 Months, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 1 Hour, 43 Minutes, 13 Seconds of your life on this message board reading posts written by fans? Is that better?

Spot on Lurker Above... not to mention his 7,354 post.

Did you read my response post to him above?

Yes.... I read both of your condescending posts.

I respect your intellect and the contributions you’ve made on this board. However, for you to question why “sports fans” would watch “sports shows” is ridiculous. I guess when you watch college football, you mute the volume since it’s only one way communication and close your eyes when commercials communicate buying items you probably don’t need. Consequently, don’t try to be so “high and mighty” because others watch programs that you feel are unworthy for your “holier than thou” eyes to gaze upon…..

(08-18-2014 06:42 AM)TerryD Wrote:  1) Why people watch or listen to sports talk shows and "analysts"?

2) Why people give a damn what these jackholes ever say about anything?

Nothing really counts except what happens on the field. Who cares what some ex-coach or ex-jock or some "sports journalist" says about anything?

Because these analysts, ex-jocks, and ex-coaches have voting power to influence who plays in the playoff. Have you looked at the voting committee? Have you seen who votes for the top 25 coaches and top 25 AP? Whether they are on the "official" list or not doesn't matter, as you know that the people on the playoff committee watch those shows and look at those polls to help guide them in their own rating.

(08-18-2014 10:23 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:03 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:50 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 07:32 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 06:42 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I have never really figured out in my life these two things:



1) Why people watch or listen to sports talk shows and "analysts"?

2) Why people give a damn what these jackholes ever say about anything?


It is truly a deep mystery to me. Isn't it all just "white noise", anyway? They are often wrong and just say crap to be controversial so people will tune in.

They are similar to politicians who say things to get attention but mostly don't even believe in what they are saying.

Neither group ever changes my mind or opinion about anything, anyway. Why listen? It is just a one way conversation, at best.

I just recently cancelled my Sirius account because I never use it since I stream music in my car via Pandora and bluetooth.

I never tune in to AM or FM radio. If I turned any of them on the last thing I would want to hear is any talk show.

I have DirecTV but never watch ESPN or any other "sports and entertainment network" unless I am watching actual game action.


Nothing really counts except what happens on the field. Who cares what some ex-coach or ex-jock or some "sports journalist" says about anything?

I never know what any of them say unless I read it on a message board because I never watch any of their "shows".

You've spent 2 Months, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 1 Hour, 43 Minutes, 13 Seconds of your life on this message board reading posts written by fans? Is that better?

Spot on Lurker Above... not to mention his 7,354 post.

Did you read my response post to him above?

Yes.... I read both of your condescending post.

I respect your intellect and the contributions you’ve made on this board. However, for you to question why “sports fans” would watch “sports shows” is ridiculous. I guess when you watch college football, you mute the volume since it’s only one way communication and close your eyes when commercials communicate buying items you probably don’t need. Consequently, don’t try to be so “high and mighty” because others watch programs that you feel are unworthy for your “holier than thou” eyes to gaze upon…..

I am not "high and mighty", condescending or "holier than thou".

I am confident that anyone who knows me or has met me would not get any type of impression like that about me, at all. Quite the contrary.

Texan Mark and Quo Vadis have met me. Ask them.

I just genuinely don't understand why people worry about what guys like Lee Corso or Kirk Herbstreit, etc... have to say, about anything.

Sports talk shows just don't seem to be very interesting or intelligent to me.

My disdain for ESPN may be showing here, as well.

I don't watch any pre-game, halftime, post-game or Sportscenter type shows, only the actual games. Sometimes, I do mute the sound when the game is on.

I really don't watch any non-ND or Pittsburgh Pirates or Steelers games as a general rule, anyway. No interest on my part.

I record most of the TV shows I watch on DirecTV and fast forward through all of the commercials. I love that ability to do so.

To each his own, I guess. I am no ACC guy, but really it would not bother me if those same guys were laughing at ND. I am sure that they have in the past.

It would be no skin off my nose as I likely would not know about it.

(08-18-2014 10:29 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 06:42 AM)TerryD Wrote:  1) Why people watch or listen to sports talk shows and "analysts"?

2) Why people give a damn what these jackholes ever say about anything?

Nothing really counts except what happens on the field. Who cares what some ex-coach or ex-jock or some "sports journalist" says about anything?

Because these analysts, ex-jocks, and ex-coaches have voting power to influence who plays in the playoff. Have you looked at the voting committee? Have you seen who votes for the top 25 coaches and top 25 AP? Whether they are on the "official" list or not doesn't matter, as you know that the people on the playoff committee watch those shows and look at those polls to help guide them in their own rating.

How are the fans going to contest, refute or change anything that they say (or what ESPN tells them to say, rather)?

My point was that these are one way conversations or monologues. There is no open mike to debate them.

(08-17-2014 09:02 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big Time Football Programs
PAC
USC

XII
Texas
Oklahoma

ACC
Clemson
Florida State

B1G
Nebraska
Ohio State
Penn State
Michigan
Michigan State
Wisconsin

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee
LSU
Texas A&M

Notre Dame

I just do not see the ACC on par with the SEC or the B1G. More on the lines of the PAC and XII. A lot of middle tier programs with decent drawings but only one or two large dominant programs through out history. Notre Dame helps but they are not a full football member yet. If the ACC or PAC want to get on the B1G or SEC level they need to get Texas and Oklahoma.

Big Time Football Programs that Louisville has beaten in Football:

Texas
Florida State
Miami
Michigan State
Alabama
Florida

(08-18-2014 10:45 AM)TerryD Wrote:  How are the fans going to contest, refute or change anything that they say (or what ESPN tells them to say, rather)?

My point was that these are one way conversations or monologues. There is no open mike to debate them.

Ahh... I see. So we should just accept that any school in a non-P5 conference is worse than any school in a P5 conference. That is essentially what you are saying. Why do the non-P5 schools even field a team?

On top of that, why do we even have elections when the average person has zero say, as they are 1 way conversations as well. No debating by the average person.

I understand your point, but usually talk radio (especially sports talk) is about generating calls to the show. It isn't about the "truth" unfortunately. If nobody calls in to refute the host then it goes down as gospel and is misreported for years.

(08-18-2014 10:39 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:23 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:03 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:50 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 07:32 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  You've spent 2 Months, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 1 Hour, 43 Minutes, 13 Seconds of your life on this message board reading posts written by fans? Is that better?

Spot on Lurker Above... not to mention his 7,354 post.

Did you read my response post to him above?

Yes.... I read both of your condescending post.

I respect your intellect and the contributions you’ve made on this board. However, for you to question why “sports fans” would watch “sports shows” is ridiculous. I guess when you watch college football, you mute the volume since it’s only one way communication and close your eyes when commercials communicate buying items you probably don’t need. Consequently, don’t try to be so “high and mighty” because others watch programs that you feel are unworthy for your “holier than thou” eyes to gaze upon…..

I am not "high and mighty", condescending or "holier than thou".

I am confident that anyone who knows me or has met me would not get any type of impression like that about me, at all. Quite the contrary.

Texan Mark and Quo Vadis have met me. Ask them.

I just genuinely don't understand why people worry about what guys like Lee Corso or Kirk Herbstreit, etc... have to say, about anything.

Sports talk shows just don't seem to be very interesting or intelligent to me.

My disdain for ESPN may be showing here, as well.

I don't watch any pre-game, halftime, post-game or Sportscenter type shows, only the actual games. Sometimes, I do mute the sound when the game is on.

I really don't watch any non-ND or Pittsburgh Pirates or Steelers games as a general rule, anyway. No interest on my part.

I record most of the TV shows I watch on DirecTV and fast forward through all of the commercials. I love that ability to do so.

To each his own, I guess. I am no ACC guy, but really it would not bother me if those same guys were laughing at ND. I am sure that they have in the past.

It would be no skin off my nose as I likely would not know about it.

You are being "high and mighty", "condescending", and “holier than thou" when you question why others watch programs that you deem unworthy to watch. I need not explain to you why I watch sports programs just like it was totally unnecessary and irrelevant to post why you don’t watch such programs. Moreover, regardless of whether you watch such programs, the fact that the ACC was mocked by a major sports show and this is a sports forum were such topics are discussed should cause you to reevaluate the pointless post that you've made in this thread. Furthermore, if you want to comment on their opinions, then do so. However, if you didn’t watch the show or don’t value their opinions, why can’t you just post that and keep your bias and irrelevant opinions about watching sports programs to yourself……

Btw... I guess you didn't watch the BCS Countdown Show to see if ND would get selected to the NC game that it recently played in.....

(08-18-2014 11:05 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:39 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:23 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:03 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:50 AM)Underdog Wrote:  Spot on Lurker Above... not to mention his 7,354 post.

Did you read my response post to him above?

Yes.... I read both of your condescending post.

I respect your intellect and the contributions you’ve made on this board. However, for you to question why “sports fans” would watch “sports shows” is ridiculous. I guess when you watch college football, you mute the volume since it’s only one way communication and close your eyes when commercials communicate buying items you probably don’t need. Consequently, don’t try to be so “high and mighty” because others watch programs that you feel are unworthy for your “holier than thou” eyes to gaze upon…..

I am not "high and mighty", condescending or "holier than thou".

I am confident that anyone who knows me or has met me would not get any type of impression like that about me, at all. Quite the contrary.

Texan Mark and Quo Vadis have met me. Ask them.

I just genuinely don't understand why people worry about what guys like Lee Corso or Kirk Herbstreit, etc... have to say, about anything.

Sports talk shows just don't seem to be very interesting or intelligent to me.

My disdain for ESPN may be showing here, as well.

I don't watch any pre-game, halftime, post-game or Sportscenter type shows, only the actual games. Sometimes, I do mute the sound when the game is on.

I really don't watch any non-ND or Pittsburgh Pirates or Steelers games as a general rule, anyway. No interest on my part.

I record most of the TV shows I watch on DirecTV and fast forward through all of the commercials. I love that ability to do so.

To each his own, I guess. I am no ACC guy, but really it would not bother me if those same guys were laughing at ND. I am sure that they have in the past.

It would be no skin off my nose as I likely would not know about it.

You are being "high and mighty", "condescending", and “holier than thou" when you question why others watch programs that you deem unworthy to watch. I need not explain to you why I watch sports programs just like it was totally unnecessary and irrelevant to post why you don’t watch such programs. Moreover, regardless of whether you watch such programs, the fact that the ACC was mocked by a major sports show and this is a sports forum were such topics are discussed should cause you to reevaluate the pointless post that you've made in this thread. Furthermore, if you want to comment on their opinions, then do so. However, if you didn’t watch the show or don’t value their opinions, why can’t you just post that and keep your bias and irrelevant opinions about watching sports programs to yourself……

Btw... I guess you didn't watch the BCS Countdown Show to see if ND would get selected to the NC game that it recently played in.....

I concede your point. I apologize for coming off "high and mighty". I will work on that in my future posts.

I just don't like news or sports talk shows, especially ESPN. It is that bias on my part that led to my post, sorry.

No, I didn't watch that hour long ESPN BCS dog and pony show.

I waited until afterwards to see the official BCS rankings. Plus, I figured a 12-0 ND team rated #1 in both polls would get in.

CBS’ “Inside College Basketball” Disses the ACC!

^ -- That would be a headline to worry about.

The vast majority of the sports "analysis" shows appear to just be a way for E$PN or whomever to fill up air time. Now that they have so many channels that's a lot of airtime to fill, so the quality is obviously subpar. Though I have less issue with them ripping on a whole conference than a particular team.

(08-18-2014 02:07 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The vast majority of the sports "analysis" shows appear to just be a way for E$PN or whomever to fill up air time. Now that they have so many channels that's a lot of airtime to fill, so the quality is obviously subpar. Though I have less issue with them ripping on a whole conference than a particular team.

Yep. Let's face it - the vast majority of SEC, B1G, Big XII and Pac-12 fans think the ACC is unworthy anyway. Furthermore, CBS rarely telecasts any ACC games (the Sun Bowl, and...), whereas they have at least one SEC game every week. They were playing to their audience. Meh.

(08-18-2014 10:39 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:23 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:03 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:50 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 07:32 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  You've spent 2 Months, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 1 Hour, 43 Minutes, 13 Seconds of your life on this message board reading posts written by fans? Is that better?

Spot on Lurker Above... not to mention his 7,354 post.

Did you read my response post to him above?

Yes.... I read both of your condescending post.

I respect your intellect and the contributions you’ve made on this board. However, for you to question why “sports fans” would watch “sports shows” is ridiculous. I guess when you watch college football, you mute the volume since it’s only one way communication and close your eyes when commercials communicate buying items you probably don’t need. Consequently, don’t try to be so “high and mighty” because others watch programs that you feel are unworthy for your “holier than thou” eyes to gaze upon…..

I am not "high and mighty", condescending or "holier than thou".

I am confident that anyone who knows me or has met me would not get any type of impression like that about me, at all. Quite the contrary.

Texan Mark and Quo Vadis have met me. Ask them.

I just genuinely don't understand why people worry about what guys like Lee Corso or Kirk Herbstreit, etc... have to say, about anything.

Sports talk shows just don't seem to be very interesting or intelligent to me.

My disdain for ESPN may be showing here, as well.

I don't watch any pre-game, halftime, post-game or Sportscenter type shows, only the actual games. Sometimes, I do mute the sound when the game is on.

I really don't watch any non-ND or Pittsburgh Pirates or Steelers games as a general rule, anyway. No interest on my part.

I record most of the TV shows I watch on DirecTV and fast forward through all of the commercials. I love that ability to do so.

To each his own, I guess. I am no ACC guy, but really it would not bother me if those same guys were laughing at ND. I am sure that they have in the past.

It would be no skin off my nose as I likely would not know about it.

I have to say that Herbstreit went way overboard when he ripped on NIU after they got invited to the Orange Bowl. It's fine that he disagreed, and teams from the MAC generally get belittled on a regular basis, but the way he said it, at what was a big moment for the program - few NIU fans will ever let him forget that. I was only annoyed by that because I watched it happen in real time (which is rare for me, and only happened since it was a big deal).

(08-18-2014 10:39 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:23 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:03 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:50 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 07:32 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  You've spent 2 Months, 3 Weeks, 5 Days, 1 Hour, 43 Minutes, 13 Seconds of your life on this message board reading posts written by fans? Is that better?

Spot on Lurker Above... not to mention his 7,354 post.

Did you read my response post to him above?

Yes.... I read both of your condescending post.

I respect your intellect and the contributions you’ve made on this board. However, for you to question why “sports fans” would watch “sports shows” is ridiculous. I guess when you watch college football, you mute the volume since it’s only one way communication and close your eyes when commercials communicate buying items you probably don’t need. Consequently, don’t try to be so “high and mighty” because others watch programs that you feel are unworthy for your “holier than thou” eyes to gaze upon…..

I am not "high and mighty", condescending or "holier than thou".

I am confident that anyone who knows me or has met me would not get any type of impression like that about me, at all. Quite the contrary.

Texan Mark and Quo Vadis have met me. Ask them.
I just genuinely don't understand why people worry about what guys like Lee Corso or Kirk Herbstreit, etc... have to say, about anything.

Sports talk shows just don't seem to be very interesting or intelligent to me.

My disdain for ESPN may be showing here, as well.

I don't watch any pre-game, halftime, post-game or Sportscenter type shows, only the actual games. Sometimes, I do mute the sound when the game is on.

I really don't watch any non-ND or Pittsburgh Pirates or Steelers games as a general rule, anyway. No interest on my part.

I record most of the TV shows I watch on DirecTV and fast forward through all of the commercials. I love that ability to do so.

To each his own, I guess. I am no ACC guy, but really it would not bother me if those same guys were laughing at ND. I am sure that they have in the past.

It would be no skin off my nose as I likely would not know about it.

I can vouch Terry is a normal guy...in fact he and Quo are brothers. Here is a picture I took of them at the Syracuse/Tulane Tailgate in NOLA a few years ago.



Seriously, Terry is very down to earth...and so is Quo.

How did Terry become more hated than me? This simply wont do.