(08-16-2014 04:16 PM)EagleX Wrote: this is just what the doctor ordered for rick perry. he just relaunched himself nationally.
Maybe, but I think it will probably cost him his shot at the presidency.
If one person in the republican primary dares to use this incident against Perry, they are opening it up for the entire Democratic party to do the same if he made it to the General election.
Mind you, the Democrats would do it anyway, but it could always be painted as Dems protecting their own, but if a Republican accuses him of it...it suddenly makes this open season on Rick Perry.
(08-15-2014 08:12 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: So, LazyTom, you don't believe that a sitting Governor should have the ability to remove a public official that was convicted of DUI? I've read that she blew a .23 - let that sink in for a moment. She could have killed somebody and doubtless would gladly go after anybody else that was driving as drunk as that. Why is it that some public officials believe themselves above the law?
If she had any honor, she would have resigned. Instead, she circles the wagons, calls in reinforcements and gets her posse to target the Governor.
I doubt that this will go anywhere.
If he does it in order to replace a Democrat running corruption investigations with a pliable Republican (and one who is completely out of step with the voters of Travis County) then there might be an issue. And while I don't know about the case, there's more to it than you think.
We're talking about Perry in Texas. I think you have it confused with Cuomo in New York.
(08-15-2014 08:12 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: So, LazyTom, you don't believe that a sitting Governor should have the ability to remove a public official that was convicted of DUI? I've read that she blew a .23 - let that sink in for a moment. She could have killed somebody and doubtless would gladly go after anybody else that was driving as drunk as that. Why is it that some public officials believe themselves above the law?
If she had any honor, she would have resigned. Instead, she circles the wagons, calls in reinforcements and gets her posse to target the Governor.
I doubt that this will go anywhere.
If he does it in order to replace a Democrat running corruption investigations with a pliable Republican (and one who is completely out of step with the voters of Travis County) then there might be an issue. And while I don't know about the case, there's more to it than you think.
Well that statement is right out of George Orwell.
(08-16-2014 04:16 PM)EagleX Wrote: this is just what the doctor ordered for rick perry. he just relaunched himself nationally.
Maybe, but I think it will probably cost him his shot at the presidency.
If one person in the republican primary dares to use this incident against Perry, they are opening it up for the entire Democratic party to do the same if he made it to the General election.
Mind you, the Democrats would do it anyway, but it could always be painted as Dems protecting their own, but if a Republican accuses him of it...it suddenly makes this open season on Rick Perry.
the opposite will happen. it makes him. this, and the admittedly theatrical show of him commanding his troops on the border propels him to the front of the pack.
all the american people have to see is the video of that horrible drunk woman spitting on policemen, and everything else -- the very charge against him, in fact, as bogus as it is -- evaporates. he wins, everyone else loses.
(08-16-2014 04:16 PM)EagleX Wrote: this is just what the doctor ordered for rick perry. he just relaunched himself nationally.
Maybe, but I think it will probably cost him his shot at the presidency.
If one person in the republican primary dares to use this incident against Perry, they are opening it up for the entire Democratic party to do the same if he made it to the General election.
Mind you, the Democrats would do it anyway, but it could always be painted as Dems protecting their own, but if a Republican accuses him of it...it suddenly makes this open season on Rick Perry.
the opposite will happen. it makes him. this, and the admittedly theatrical show of him commanding his troops on the border propels him to the front of the pack.
all the american people have to see is the video of that horrible drunk woman spitting on policemen, and everything else -- the very charge against him, in fact, as bogus as it is -- evaporates. he wins, everyone else loses.
Yes, but the problem is that the group of Americans who he becomes really popular with, don't represent the voting majority in this country.
His commanding troops to control the borders will win over the "America is for Americans crowd" who hate the foreign influence on our society, but would a Hispanic voting base that is quickly becoming a racial majority in this country like it?
Whether or not the charges are correct or not. This incident will be brought up continually again and again during his presidential campaign. I just don't think that is a mess the republican party is willing to cross during a year when they simply must retake the White House. He'll probably drop out at some point citing another reason unrelated to the cause.
(08-16-2014 04:16 PM)EagleX Wrote: this is just what the doctor ordered for rick perry. he just relaunched himself nationally.
Maybe, but I think it will probably cost him his shot at the presidency.
If one person in the republican primary dares to use this incident against Perry, they are opening it up for the entire Democratic party to do the same if he made it to the General election.
Mind you, the Democrats would do it anyway, but it could always be painted as Dems protecting their own, but if a Republican accuses him of it...it suddenly makes this open season on Rick Perry.
the opposite will happen. it makes him. this, and the admittedly theatrical show of him commanding his troops on the border propels him to the front of the pack.
all the american people have to see is the video of that horrible drunk woman spitting on policemen, and everything else -- the very charge against him, in fact, as bogus as it is -- evaporates. he wins, everyone else loses.
Yes, but the problem is that the group of Americans who he becomes really popular with, don't represent the voting majority in this country.
His commanding troops to control the borders will win over the "America is for Americans crowd" who hate the foreign influence on our society, but would a Hispanic voting base that is quickly becoming a racial majority in this country like it?
Whether or not the charges are correct or not. This incident will be brought up continually again and again during his presidential campaign. I just don't think that is a mess the republican party is willing to cross during a year when they simply must retake the White House. He'll probably drop out at some point citing another reason unrelated to the cause.
I don't buy into the hispanic majority argument in the first place. it's hysterical, and was the product of republican consultants that couldn't bring themselves to admit that romney lost because he was a sh!tty candidate, and david axelrod is a cutthroat bastard -- and I say that with admiration.
17%. we're losing our sh!t over 17%. and 70% of that 17% is concentrated in a state that the republicans have won without for decades.
the border will play in his favor when the president drops whatever amnesty bomb he's planning.
and I flatly reject that a bogus indictment is anything other than a badge of honor. if he plays this right, and so far, he is, it's his ticket.
(08-16-2014 07:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: This incident will be brought up continually again and again during his presidential campaign.
Which is, of course, the only reason why charges were pursued.
no one is going to bring it up. the video of that horrible woman will play every time it's mentioned. this totally works in perry's favor.
axelrod is even running away from it.
The crazy ***** got what she deserved. Perry might have gone a bit overboard...but...no one gives a schit outside of the Asheville of Texas.
it would be a tightrope, but he could try to point out the absurdity of what he is accused of, and contrast that with obama's legitimate abuse of his constitutional authority.
it could be a can of worms, though. boner's lawsuit isn't moving poll numbers.
this gets dumber and dumber. ny mag even thinks this is outrageous.
Quote:The other statute prohibits anybody in government from “influenc[ing] or attempt[ing] to influence a public servant in a specific exercise of his official power or a specific performance of his official duty or influenc[ing] or attempt[ing] to influence a public servant to violate the public servant's known legal duty.”
But that statute also specifically exempts “an official action taken by the member of the governing body.” The prosecutors claim that, while vetoing the bill may be an official action, threatening a veto is not. Of course the threat of the veto is an integral part of its function. The legislature can hardly negotiate with the governor if he won’t tell them in advance what he plans to veto. This is why, when you say the word “veto,” the next word that springs to mind is “threat.” That’s how vetoes work.
Liberal Writer Jonathan Chait Slams Perry Indictment As “Unbelievably Ridiculous”
Even the honest liberals out there find this whole ordeal to be absurd.
Quote:They say a prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, and this always seemed like hyperbole, until Friday night a Texas grand jury announced an indictment of governor Rick Perry. The “crime” for which Perry faces a sentence of 5 to 99 years in prison is vetoing funding for a state agency. The conventions of reporting — which treat the fact of an indictment as the primary news, and its merit as a secondary analytic question — make it difficult for people reading the news to grasp just how farfetched this indictment is.
Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg — a Democrat who oversees the state’s Public Corruption unit — was arrested for driving very, very drunk. What followed was a relatively ordinary political dispute. Perry, not unreasonably, urged Lehmberg to resign. Democrats, not unreasonably, resisted out of fear that Perry would replace her with a Republican. Perry, not unreasonably, announced and carried out a threat to veto funding for her agency until Lehmberg resigned.
I do not have a fancy law degree from Harvard or Yale or, for that matter, anywhere. I am but a humble country blogger. And yet, having read the indictment, legal training of any kind seems unnecessary to grasp its flimsiness.
