You're talking about a 10-15% increase in costs with no additional revenue to cover them. Our AD's are already counting the increased playoff streams towards existing budget costs. Unless the P5 members increase the payout more to compensate it will be difficult to increase budgets 10-15%.
(08-12-2014 02:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote: I take it Alabama has a waterfall set up for tranquility in theirs, after yelling at the players on the field. Nice.
These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.
I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.
Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$
Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.
The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.
How did that work out for FCS vs. FBS?
The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams.
Correct. The proof would also have to come from putting kids in the NFL. The G5 would have to be putting a reasonably close number of kids in the NFL for recruits to give us the same look. The P5 has most of the state flagship schools it would be near impossible to overcome that entrenched loyalty. I was told by an AU fan that since the retirement of Bear Bryant that the AU / AL series was basically a dead tie but that has basically done nothing to change anything significantly in regards to blind loyalty in that state.
(08-14-2014 10:18 AM)Saint3333 Wrote: You're talking about a 10-15% increase in costs with no additional revenue to cover them. Our AD's are already counting the increased playoff streams towards existing budget costs. Unless the P5 members increase the payout more to compensate it will be difficult to increase budgets 10-15%.
I agree but very difficult in the short run but nothing serious enough to be talking about giving up altogether. Our current revenue numbers now are based on FCS level support I doubt it is going to decrease over the next few years. We just signed a decent deal with Coke that would not have happened just two years ago and it has been stated that is far from the last corp sponsorship in the works. When push comes to shove if a school and its fan base really want to compete they will step up. Also, if the P5 go that route I guarantee you the payout demands will justifiably go up significantly. I can remember GaSou getting $250K pay outs from thUGA just a few years ago now getting 1M is becoming par for the course against the big boys. I can see that escalating rather quickly with all the new money floating around.
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(08-12-2014 02:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote: I take it Alabama has a waterfall set up for tranquility in theirs, after yelling at the players on the field. Nice.
These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.
I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.
Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$
Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.
The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.
Oh please explain how Rice vs Ohio is challenge to Alabama vs USC?
It really isn't imop. BUT if you imagine any expanded playoff to the current system and you incorporate a bye system in it for the top P5 programs, then you sort of get a de-facto G5 Playoff that has it's survivor (winner) feed into a playoff including the P5 programs. The access (REAL ACCESS) alone and exposure from it (the entire country paying attention to who might advance from it) would boost the recruiting power of the G5.
(This post was last modified: 08-15-2014 08:01 AM by The4thOption.)
(08-12-2014 03:27 PM)FloridaJag Wrote: These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.
I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.
Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$
Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.
The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.
How did that work out for FCS vs. FBS?
The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams.
Correct. The proof would also have to come from putting kids in the NFL. The G5 would have to be putting a reasonably close number of kids in the NFL for recruits to give us the same look. The P5 has most of the state flagship schools it would be near impossible to overcome that entrenched loyalty. I was told by an AU fan that since the retirement of Bear Bryant that the AU / AL series was basically a dead tie but that has basically done nothing to change anything significantly in regards to blind loyalty in that state.
Based on that analysis, I took a look at the Falcons preseason roster.
(08-12-2014 03:30 PM)panama Wrote: Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$
Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.
The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.
How did that work out for FCS vs. FBS?
The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams.
Correct. The proof would also have to come from putting kids in the NFL. The G5 would have to be putting a reasonably close number of kids in the NFL for recruits to give us the same look. The P5 has most of the state flagship schools it would be near impossible to overcome that entrenched loyalty. I was told by an AU fan that since the retirement of Bear Bryant that the AU / AL series was basically a dead tie but that has basically done nothing to change anything significantly in regards to blind loyalty in that state.
Based on that analysis, I took a look at the Falcons preseason roster.
That means the 31.46 % of the current Falcons are non P5 players.
"The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams."
Looks like we already past that benchmark.
So... who exactly were the 4 and 5 star recruits?
P5 schools will have to lose top prospects to us. Joe Namath choosing to go to the AFL. Herschel Walker going to the USFL. You need a Nkemdiche choosing Troy over Ole Miss. People would look at the breakdown you posted as, "well the P5 were wrong about those guys, and they got by."
(08-12-2014 03:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote: The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.
How did that work out for FCS vs. FBS?
The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams.
Correct. The proof would also have to come from putting kids in the NFL. The G5 would have to be putting a reasonably close number of kids in the NFL for recruits to give us the same look. The P5 has most of the state flagship schools it would be near impossible to overcome that entrenched loyalty. I was told by an AU fan that since the retirement of Bear Bryant that the AU / AL series was basically a dead tie but that has basically done nothing to change anything significantly in regards to blind loyalty in that state.
Based on that analysis, I took a look at the Falcons preseason roster.
That means the 31.46 % of the current Falcons are non P5 players.
"The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams."
Looks like we already past that benchmark.
So... who exactly were the 4 and 5 star recruits?
P5 schools will have to lose top prospects to us. Joe Namath choosing to go to the AFL. Herschel Walker going to the USFL. You need a Nkemdiche choosing Troy over Ole Miss. People would look at the breakdown you posted as, "well the P5 were wrong about those guys, and they got by."
So... what are the criteria for a 4 and 5 star recruits?
It has been pointed out before, that recruits have gained a star after it is reported they have recieved an offer from the likes of Alabama. In addition, it has been noted that some 4 and 5 star recruits have demoted upon notification they had accepted an offer from a non P5 school.
So... what are the criteria for a 4 and 5 star recruits?
Top 50 in America. Over the past 40 years people EXPECT a smattering of players to make it in the NFL that did not go to a P5 school. You need 10 to 15 of that top 50 or 60 high school recruits to say.... I would rather play at USA than Auburn. Then, people would begin to question who may have the better talent, because why would any top talent choose a G5 over a P5?
(08-12-2014 03:42 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote: How did that work out for FCS vs. FBS?
The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams.
Correct. The proof would also have to come from putting kids in the NFL. The G5 would have to be putting a reasonably close number of kids in the NFL for recruits to give us the same look. The P5 has most of the state flagship schools it would be near impossible to overcome that entrenched loyalty. I was told by an AU fan that since the retirement of Bear Bryant that the AU / AL series was basically a dead tie but that has basically done nothing to change anything significantly in regards to blind loyalty in that state.
Based on that analysis, I took a look at the Falcons preseason roster.
That means the 31.46 % of the current Falcons are non P5 players.
"The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams."
Looks like we already past that benchmark.
So... who exactly were the 4 and 5 star recruits?
P5 schools will have to lose top prospects to us. Joe Namath choosing to go to the AFL. Herschel Walker going to the USFL. You need a Nkemdiche choosing Troy over Ole Miss. People would look at the breakdown you posted as, "well the P5 were wrong about those guys, and they got by."
So... what are the criteria for a 4 and 5 star recruits?
It has been pointed out before, that recruits have gained a star after it is reported they have recieved an offer from the likes of Alabama. In addition, it has been noted that some 4 and 5 star recruits have demoted upon notification they had accepted an offer from a non P5 school.
So... what are the criteria for a 4 and 5 star recruits?
Here, I will help you out on the importance of 5 star recruits.
Coming out of high school, a 5-star recruit thus has a 39 percent chance of "sticking" in the league. Three of every five will not.
(08-14-2014 10:19 AM)JCGSU Wrote: Correct. The proof would also have to come from putting kids in the NFL. The G5 would have to be putting a reasonably close number of kids in the NFL for recruits to give us the same look. The P5 has most of the state flagship schools it would be near impossible to overcome that entrenched loyalty. I was told by an AU fan that since the retirement of Bear Bryant that the AU / AL series was basically a dead tie but that has basically done nothing to change anything significantly in regards to blind loyalty in that state.
Based on that analysis, I took a look at the Falcons preseason roster.
That means the 31.46 % of the current Falcons are non P5 players.
"The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams."
Looks like we already past that benchmark.
So... who exactly were the 4 and 5 star recruits?
P5 schools will have to lose top prospects to us. Joe Namath choosing to go to the AFL. Herschel Walker going to the USFL. You need a Nkemdiche choosing Troy over Ole Miss. People would look at the breakdown you posted as, "well the P5 were wrong about those guys, and they got by."
So... what are the criteria for a 4 and 5 star recruits?
It has been pointed out before, that recruits have gained a star after it is reported they have recieved an offer from the likes of Alabama. In addition, it has been noted that some 4 and 5 star recruits have demoted upon notification they had accepted an offer from a non P5 school.
So... what are the criteria for a 4 and 5 star recruits?
Here, I will help you out on the importance of 5 star recruits.
Coming out of high school, a 5-star recruit thus has a 39 percent chance of "sticking" in the league. Three of every five will not.
You don't get it. I am talking recruiting and the perception that the BEST talent chooses P5 schools all day every day over G5 schools. What happens 4 years after they get there is forgotten for the next batch is just a year away.
You would have to have a solid amount, 25-35%, of the top 60, not after 4 years, but on signing day, choose G5 schools to change the perception that the talent at the P5 level is a whole other level compared to the G5 schools. You'd probably need at least 1 top 5 or 10 talent choose someone.
That means the 31.46 % of the current Falcons are non P5 players.
"The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams."
Looks like we already past that benchmark.
So... who exactly were the 4 and 5 star recruits?
P5 schools will have to lose top prospects to us. Joe Namath choosing to go to the AFL. Herschel Walker going to the USFL. You need a Nkemdiche choosing Troy over Ole Miss. People would look at the breakdown you posted as, "well the P5 were wrong about those guys, and they got by."
So... what are the criteria for a 4 and 5 star recruits?
It has been pointed out before, that recruits have gained a star after it is reported they have recieved an offer from the likes of Alabama. In addition, it has been noted that some 4 and 5 star recruits have demoted upon notification they had accepted an offer from a non P5 school.
So... what are the criteria for a 4 and 5 star recruits?
Here, I will help you out on the importance of 5 star recruits.
Coming out of high school, a 5-star recruit thus has a 39 percent chance of "sticking" in the league. Three of every five will not.
You don't get it. I am talking recruiting and the perception that the BEST talent chooses P5 schools all day every day over G5 schools. What happens 4 years after they get there is forgotten for the next batch is just a year away.
You would have to have a solid amount, 25-35%, of the top 60, not after 4 years, but on signing day, choose G5 schools to change the perception that the talent at the P5 level is a whole other level compared to the G5 schools. You'd probably need at least 1 top 5 or 10 talent choose someone.
No you don't get it. It is not perception, it is propoganda. Look at the NFL rosters!
Propaganda is what the nation buys every February, and they forget about it before the NFL drafts in May.
Like I thought, you are a talk and no thought.
Ugh the lesson there was when the legend becomes fact, print the legend
So how do you change the perception of a nation that the G5 is on an even footing with the P5? How?
We currently put 1/3rd of the players in the NFL. It has been that way forever, but the perception remains the same. So what do you say when you pull out the player figure, and they bring up head to head competition G5 teams were 23-113 last season against the P5?
There are only 2 places most people can see the P5 and G5 compete. This is on the field and for recruits today. At the end of the day, if those two don't improve, no one will think a G5 champ should play a P5 champ.
So by your numbers of the NFL, would you think it is acceptable for a G5 champ vs. the FCS champ?
(This post was last modified: 08-15-2014 01:29 PM by StanMolsonMan.)
Propaganda is what the nation buys every February, and they forget about it before the NFL drafts in May.
Like I thought, you are a talk and no thought.
Ugh the lesson there was when the legend becomes fact, print the legend
So how do you change the perception of a nation that the G5 is on an even footing with the P5? How?
We currently put 1/3rd of the players in the NFL. It has been that way forever, but the perception remains the same. So what do you say when you pull out the player figure, and they bring up head to head competition G5 teams were 23-113 last season against the P5?
There are only 2 places most people can see the P5 and G5 compete. This is on the field and for recruits today. At the end of the day, if those two don't improve, no one will think a G5 champ should play a P5 champ.
So by your numbers of the NFL, would you think it is acceptable for a G5 champ vs. the FCS champ?
So the lesson from you..is to quit before even trying. Silly.
Propaganda is what the nation buys every February, and they forget about it before the NFL drafts in May.
Like I thought, you are a talk and no thought.
Ugh the lesson there was when the legend becomes fact, print the legend
So how do you change the perception of a nation that the G5 is on an even footing with the P5? How?
We currently put 1/3rd of the players in the NFL. It has been that way forever, but the perception remains the same. So what do you say when you pull out the player figure, and they bring up head to head competition G5 teams were 23-113 last season against the P5?
There are only 2 places most people can see the P5 and G5 compete. This is on the field and for recruits today. At the end of the day, if those two don't improve, no one will think a G5 champ should play a P5 champ.
So by your numbers of the NFL, would you think it is acceptable for a G5 champ vs. the FCS champ?
So the lesson from you..is to quit before even trying. Silly.
By the way, I noticed you did not answere my question.
So... what are the criteria for a 4 and 5 star recruits?
Propaganda is what the nation buys every February, and they forget about it before the NFL drafts in May.
Like I thought, you are a talk and no thought.
Ugh the lesson there was when the legend becomes fact, print the legend
So how do you change the perception of a nation that the G5 is on an even footing with the P5? How?
We currently put 1/3rd of the players in the NFL. It has been that way forever, but the perception remains the same. So what do you say when you pull out the player figure, and they bring up head to head competition G5 teams were 23-113 last season against the P5?
There are only 2 places most people can see the P5 and G5 compete. This is on the field and for recruits today. At the end of the day, if those two don't improve, no one will think a G5 champ should play a P5 champ.
So by your numbers of the NFL, would you think it is acceptable for a G5 champ vs. the FCS champ?
So the lesson from you..is to quit before even trying. Silly.
No. The G5 should ask. I just think you have a better chance if you asked Santa Claus.
Propaganda is what the nation buys every February, and they forget about it before the NFL drafts in May.
Like I thought, you are a talk and no thought.
Ugh the lesson there was when the legend becomes fact, print the legend
So how do you change the perception of a nation that the G5 is on an even footing with the P5? How?
We currently put 1/3rd of the players in the NFL. It has been that way forever, but the perception remains the same. So what do you say when you pull out the player figure, and they bring up head to head competition G5 teams were 23-113 last season against the P5?
There are only 2 places most people can see the P5 and G5 compete. This is on the field and for recruits today. At the end of the day, if those two don't improve, no one will think a G5 champ should play a P5 champ.
So by your numbers of the NFL, would you think it is acceptable for a G5 champ vs. the FCS champ?
So the lesson from you..is to quit before even trying. Silly.
By the way, I noticed you did not answere my question.
So... what are the criteria for a 4 and 5 star recruits?
Propaganda is what the nation buys every February, and they forget about it before the NFL drafts in May.
Like I thought, you are a talk and no thought.
Ugh the lesson there was when the legend becomes fact, print the legend
So how do you change the perception of a nation that the G5 is on an even footing with the P5? How?
We currently put 1/3rd of the players in the NFL. It has been that way forever, but the perception remains the same. So what do you say when you pull out the player figure, and they bring up head to head competition G5 teams were 23-113 last season against the P5?
There are only 2 places most people can see the P5 and G5 compete. This is on the field and for recruits today. At the end of the day, if those two don't improve, no one will think a G5 champ should play a P5 champ.
So by your numbers of the NFL, would you think it is acceptable for a G5 champ vs. the FCS champ?
So the lesson from you..is to quit before even trying. Silly.
No. The G5 should ask. I just think you have a better chance if you asked Santa Claus.
You can't answer the question. Like I said. You are all talk and no thought.
