(08-12-2014 02:35 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 01:51 PM)panama Wrote:  But we are not offering the same kids as Georgia and Auburn. Its not like they are sitting the going, hmm do I go to WKU or Kentucky. In that case they are going to Kentucky 999 times out of 1000. If you are somehow beating P5 for players then congratulations and I shall call you Louisville. As far as creating a bigger gap well yes I think that's what I was trying to say by saying that the entrance fee to P5 just went WAY up. The main thing we can all do is make sure our individual houses are in order and build our own individual facilities and local fan bases so that we are nt one of the two or three schools that drop football.

If you aren't offering kids Auburn and Georgia are offering....then you don't have much ambition.

A kid who chose UK over WKU the last couple of years made a bad choice...and got beat by WKU.

If you are consistently beating Auburn and Georgia for recruits then you have a top 30 class because you likely have 4 or 5 four star players. Get back to me when you have a waterfall in your locker room...lol

So the bar is consistently beating Auburn and Georgia now?

We offer athletes that have P5 offers. The Cajuns do to.

Sometimes they commit to us which encourages other targets to commit to us....if they later switch to P5 they still assisted our recruiting.

In addition, if they later transfer from that P5 perhaps they remember that we offered.

If you guys don't want to offer that sort of player...I have no problem with it.

(08-12-2014 02:39 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:37 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:35 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 01:51 PM)panama Wrote:  But we are not offering the same kids as Georgia and Auburn. Its not like they are sitting the going, hmm do I go to WKU or Kentucky. In that case they are going to Kentucky 999 times out of 1000. If you are somehow beating P5 for players then congratulations and I shall call you Louisville. As far as creating a bigger gap well yes I think that's what I was trying to say by saying that the entrance fee to P5 just went WAY up. The main thing we can all do is make sure our individual houses are in order and build our own individual facilities and local fan bases so that we are nt one of the two or three schools that drop football.

If you aren't offering kids Auburn and Georgia are offering....then you don't have much ambition.

A kid who chose UK over WKU the last couple of years made a bad choice...and got beat by WKU.

If you are consistently beating Auburn and Georgia for recruits then you have a top 30 class because you likely have 4 or 5 four star players. Get back to me when you have a waterfall in your locker room...lol

We do. It's called a shower. You guys might want to add them. jk

LOL. Nice recruiting pitch provided they dont visit Tuscaloosa.

I take it Alabama has a waterfall set up for tranquility in theirs, after yelling at the players on the field. Nice.

(08-12-2014 02:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:39 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:37 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:35 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  If you aren't offering kids Auburn and Georgia are offering....then you don't have much ambition.

A kid who chose UK over WKU the last couple of years made a bad choice...and got beat by WKU.

If you are consistently beating Auburn and Georgia for recruits then you have a top 30 class because you likely have 4 or 5 four star players. Get back to me when you have a waterfall in your locker room...lol

We do. It's called a shower. You guys might want to add them. jk

LOL. Nice recruiting pitch provided they dont visit Tuscaloosa.

I take it Alabama has a waterfall set up for tranquility in theirs, after yelling at the players on the field. Nice.

NFL Lite

There is a difference between the 2 and 3 stars we see, and the 4 and 5 stars they do. This is where the deviation on the thread started. Going after that 4 star recruit is like playing a prop bet in craps. Odds are it isn't going to hit, but if it does, it pays handsomely. But it can break you if it never happens, because that time and effort could have been used elsewhere.

If you are going toe to toe with a P5 target, you can't just drop off an offer. You have to invest your limited amount of resources of time and money to try to peel him a way, which takes those resources away from someone else. It is which of those overlapping 3 stars you can get. And if they are a target of a Georgia or an Auburn, it is an uphill battle.

(08-12-2014 03:08 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  There is a difference between the 2 and 3 stars we see, and the 4 and 5 stars they do. This is where the deviation on the thread started. Going after that 4 star recruit is like playing a prop bet in craps. Odds are it isn't going to hit, but if it does, it pays handsomely. But it can break you if it never happens, because that time and effort could have been used elsewhere.

If you are going toe to toe with a P5 target, you can't just drop off an offer. You have to invest your limited amount of resources of time and money to try to peel him a way, which takes those resources away from someone else. It is which of those overlapping 3 stars you can get. And if they are a target of a Georgia or an Auburn, it is an uphill battle.

Our entire existence has been an uphill battle.

We sit here complaining about the P5/G5 split but go ahead and self-impose one voluntarily.

(08-12-2014 03:12 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:08 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  There is a difference between the 2 and 3 stars we see, and the 4 and 5 stars they do. This is where the deviation on the thread started. Going after that 4 star recruit is like playing a prop bet in craps. Odds are it isn't going to hit, but if it does, it pays handsomely. But it can break you if it never happens, because that time and effort could have been used elsewhere.

If you are going toe to toe with a P5 target, you can't just drop off an offer. You have to invest your limited amount of resources of time and money to try to peel him a way, which takes those resources away from someone else. It is which of those overlapping 3 stars you can get. And if they are a target of a Georgia or an Auburn, it is an uphill battle.

Our entire existence has been an uphill battle.

We sit here complaining about the P5/G5 split but go ahead and self-impose one voluntarily.

not self imposing one...it exists...deal with it

What do we do? Keep fighting uphill.

(08-12-2014 02:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:39 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:37 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:35 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  If you aren't offering kids Auburn and Georgia are offering....then you don't have much ambition.

A kid who chose UK over WKU the last couple of years made a bad choice...and got beat by WKU.

If you are consistently beating Auburn and Georgia for recruits then you have a top 30 class because you likely have 4 or 5 four star players. Get back to me when you have a waterfall in your locker room...lol

We do. It's called a shower. You guys might want to add them. jk

LOL. Nice recruiting pitch provided they dont visit Tuscaloosa.

I take it Alabama has a waterfall set up for tranquility in theirs, after yelling at the players on the field. Nice.

These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.

I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.

(08-12-2014 03:08 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  There is a difference between the 2 and 3 stars we see, and the 4 and 5 stars they do. This is where the deviation on the thread started. Going after that 4 star recruit is like playing a prop bet in craps. Odds are it isn't going to hit, but if it does, it pays handsomely. But it can break you if it never happens, because that time and effort could have been used elsewhere.

If you are going toe to toe with a P5 target, you can't just drop off an offer. You have to invest your limited amount of resources of time and money to try to peel him a way, which takes those resources away from someone else. It is which of those overlapping 3 stars you can get. And if they are a target of a Georgia or an Auburn, it is an uphill battle.

Alabama has an entire building devoted to recruiting. A.whole.building. They just flipped a Georgia 4 star commit because of facilities. I can promise you we are a long way away from UGA facilities. So that sets the tone for the discussion as to what you have to do. See, Louisville didnt say 20 years ago, oh there is no difference. They got after it and now they are in the ACC.

(08-12-2014 03:24 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:12 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:08 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  There is a difference between the 2 and 3 stars we see, and the 4 and 5 stars they do. This is where the deviation on the thread started. Going after that 4 star recruit is like playing a prop bet in craps. Odds are it isn't going to hit, but if it does, it pays handsomely. But it can break you if it never happens, because that time and effort could have been used elsewhere.

If you are going toe to toe with a P5 target, you can't just drop off an offer. You have to invest your limited amount of resources of time and money to try to peel him a way, which takes those resources away from someone else. It is which of those overlapping 3 stars you can get. And if they are a target of a Georgia or an Auburn, it is an uphill battle.

Our entire existence has been an uphill battle.

We sit here complaining about the P5/G5 split but go ahead and self-impose one voluntarily.

not self imposing one...it exists...deal with it

What do we do? Keep fighting uphill.

That's what we've always done. I don't know anything else.

(08-12-2014 03:12 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:08 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  There is a difference between the 2 and 3 stars we see, and the 4 and 5 stars they do. This is where the deviation on the thread started. Going after that 4 star recruit is like playing a prop bet in craps. Odds are it isn't going to hit, but if it does, it pays handsomely. But it can break you if it never happens, because that time and effort could have been used elsewhere.

If you are going toe to toe with a P5 target, you can't just drop off an offer. You have to invest your limited amount of resources of time and money to try to peel him a way, which takes those resources away from someone else. It is which of those overlapping 3 stars you can get. And if they are a target of a Georgia or an Auburn, it is an uphill battle.

Our entire existence has been an uphill battle.

We sit here complaining about the P5/G5 split but go ahead and self-impose one voluntarily.

It isn't imposed voluntarily. It is just a fan being honest about the reality of the situation. For example... for you guys, Avery Johnson, heck of a get. With the amount of time Arkansas spent with him, I am surprised they didn't offer, let alone start paying rent for the amount of visits. There was another one who had a Louisville offer. It is a good snag, but the rest are all a battle of the G5s. I don't consider Wake or Syracuse a real P5 programs, ones by association only.

The reality of the situation is for most G5 schools is that those are exceptions not the rule most times.

(08-12-2014 03:27 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:39 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:37 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:35 PM)panama Wrote:  If you are consistently beating Auburn and Georgia for recruits then you have a top 30 class because you likely have 4 or 5 four star players. Get back to me when you have a waterfall in your locker room...lol

We do. It's called a shower. You guys might want to add them. jk

LOL. Nice recruiting pitch provided they dont visit Tuscaloosa.

I take it Alabama has a waterfall set up for tranquility in theirs, after yelling at the players on the field. Nice.

These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.

I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.

Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$

Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.

(08-12-2014 03:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:27 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:39 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:37 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  We do. It's called a shower. You guys might want to add them. jk

LOL. Nice recruiting pitch provided they dont visit Tuscaloosa.

I take it Alabama has a waterfall set up for tranquility in theirs, after yelling at the players on the field. Nice.

These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.

I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.

Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$

Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.

The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.

(08-12-2014 03:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:27 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:39 PM)panama Wrote:  LOL. Nice recruiting pitch provided they dont visit Tuscaloosa.

I take it Alabama has a waterfall set up for tranquility in theirs, after yelling at the players on the field. Nice.

These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.

I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.

Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$

Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.

The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.

Oh please explain how Rice vs Ohio is challenge to Alabama vs USC?

(08-12-2014 03:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:27 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:39 PM)panama Wrote:  LOL. Nice recruiting pitch provided they dont visit Tuscaloosa.

I take it Alabama has a waterfall set up for tranquility in theirs, after yelling at the players on the field. Nice.

These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.

I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.

Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$

Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.

The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.

How did that work out for FCS vs. FBS?

The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams.

(08-12-2014 03:40 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:27 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  I take it Alabama has a waterfall set up for tranquility in theirs, after yelling at the players on the field. Nice.

These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.

I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.

Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$

Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.

The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.

Oh please explain how Rice vs Ohio is challenge to Alabama vs USC?

Please, look at the NFL vs AFL history. Then look at the MLB history. American League vs National League

(08-12-2014 03:46 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:40 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:27 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.

I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.

Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$

Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.

The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.

Oh please explain how Rice vs Ohio is challenge to Alabama vs USC?

Please, look at the NFL vs AFL history. Then look at the MLB history. American League vs National League

This was because free agents were crossing lines, and teams were drafting the same players. This created the idea that they were competing leagues.

(08-12-2014 03:42 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:27 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  I take it Alabama has a waterfall set up for tranquility in theirs, after yelling at the players on the field. Nice.

These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.

I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.

Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$

Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.

The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.

How did that work out for FCS vs. FBS?

The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams.

The only way that would work would be if P5 and G5 do not play at all. Then the G5 could say they were comparable....creating doubt. It doesn't work if they play each other regularly.

(08-12-2014 03:56 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:42 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:30 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:27 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  These guys are crazy. Even with the waterfall, Alabama can only sigh 18 to 23 players a year. It will be about 15 players a year if they guarantee four year scholarshiips.

I repeat, this does not prevent the G5 from creating their own playoff if they are locked out of the 8 team playoff when it playoffs are expanded.

Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$

Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.

The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.

How did that work out for FCS vs. FBS?

The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams.

The only way that would work would be if P5 and G5 do not play at all. Then the G5 could say they were comparable....creating doubt. It doesn't work if they play each other regularly.

It would take decades for that to happen going that route. At best, you might get the G5 champ playing the P5 champ in a kick off game the following season. You can't erase decades of competition in order to create that doubt.

(08-12-2014 04:00 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:56 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:42 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 03:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Your first staement is correct which is why nothing changes for us. We will be signing the same players we were signing last week. SEC cant take them all just because they have $$$

Regarding the second statement: I want no part of a G5 playoff for a G5 (Division 1B) championship.

The G5 playoff means an automic challeng to the P5 designation of supremacy. Therefore, you have pressure for a P5 vs G5 Championship game, especially if P5 plays only P5.

How did that work out for FCS vs. FBS?

The ONLY way there would be any pressure for that is if a 30% or so of 4 stars and 5 stars started to sign with G5 teams.

The only way that would work would be if P5 and G5 do not play at all. Then the G5 could say they were comparable....creating doubt. It doesn't work if they play each other regularly.

It would take decades for that to happen going that route. At best, you might get the G5 champ playing the P5 champ in a kick off game the following season. You can't erase decades of competition in order to create that doubt.

Nobody said it would be easy. But it irritates the hell out of the fans whose programs are running from you...and encourages your own fan bases...and gets you talked about....which is a good start.

But in the current environment, useless.

Honestly what are the numbers "Mr College Football" says is going to shut down a Sun Belt athletic program?

The stipend is going to be $2000 a semester per scholarship last I heard and $5000 a year for each athlete for licensing (assuming all athletes not just scholly ones). Is that program killing money? That would probably be around 4M more a year for a programs the give the min amount of scholarships and field the min amount of teams probably. That is worst case if the O'bannon ruling holds. A large hurdle to overcome for those of us at the lower end but not the end of the budget world but far from giving any thought of shutting it all down.