As far as Mooochel or some say. Michael, having African heritage is really useless and irrelevant to anything constructive. Why should we care about a place, culture she knows nothing about. She's a "poser" a wanna be. She's as much a toxic bigoted person that has ever been the wife of a President of the United States.


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(08-02-2014 07:38 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  As far as Mooochel or some say. Michael, having African heritage is really useless and irrelevant to anything constructive. Why should we care about a place, culture she knows nothing about. She's a "poser" a wanna be. She's as much a toxic bigoted person that has ever been the wife of a President of the United States.

Do you feel the same way about people who claim Confederate heritage? I mean, some of those people are so ignorant they don't even realize the Confederate states seceded over slavery.

(08-02-2014 08:31 PM)jh Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 07:38 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  As far as Mooochel or some say. Michael, having African heritage is really useless and irrelevant to anything constructive. Why should we care about a place, culture she knows nothing about. She's a "poser" a wanna be. She's as much a toxic bigoted person that has ever been the wife of a President of the United States.

Do you feel the same way about people who claim Confederate heritage? I mean, some of those people are so ignorant they don't even realize the Confederate states seceded over slavery.

This is just an attempt at mental masturbation. Confederate heritage is part of American history. Africa is a continent.

(08-02-2014 07:38 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  As far as Mooochel or some say. Michael, having African heritage is really useless and irrelevant to anything constructive. Why should we care about a place, culture she knows nothing about. She's a "poser" a wanna be. She's as much a toxic bigoted person that has ever been the wife of a President of the United States.


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But it was relevant. She was talking to 500 Africans. She wasn't saying it to you or Americans at large. It's a rhetorical technique used by every person who has a reason to make a speech.

(08-02-2014 08:35 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 08:31 PM)jh Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 07:38 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  As far as Mooochel or some say. Michael, having African heritage is really useless and irrelevant to anything constructive. Why should we care about a place, culture she knows nothing about. She's a "poser" a wanna be. She's as much a toxic bigoted person that has ever been the wife of a President of the United States.

Do you feel the same way about people who claim Confederate heritage? I mean, some of those people are so ignorant they don't even realize the Confederate states seceded over slavery.

This is just an attempt at mental masturbation. Confederate heritage is part of American history. Africa is a continent.

African heritage is part of American history also, it's just that it is almost impossible to pinpoint one specific African culture because they sort of combined and made itself distinct.

Name me a few things, which have no African influence in this country.

(08-02-2014 06:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 06:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  There is no such thing as an 'African-American' and the 'blood of Africa' doesn't run through her veins.

American blacks hold on to this fallacy and it's sad.

Hell, I'm white and have more claim to being 'African-American' than 90% of blacks having lived on the continent twice, having done a lot of business there, and having family living there.

The term African American is just PC bull****.

Her statement isn't wrong. Check her DNA and it's going to have markers that place her heritage in Africa. You think a DNA test is going to place her origin in Chicago or something like that?

How many black people actually go by African American? It's on the census, but not really used in everyday language.

Now, how else are we supposed to be described? I'd prefer to check American on a census, but that's not going to do much for demographics studies, which have affects on everything from marketing to health. What do YOU want us to go as because apparently it's PC bull**** unless you go by what certain people want to assign you.

Technically, we are all out of Africa, if you want to go back far enough.

The point is that blacks in America hold a romanticized view of Africa that keeps them from being fully integrated.

Africans don't consider American black folks to be African any more than they do me. Black skin, the same as white skin, no more makes you a part of anything than any other trait.

Besides, Africa is a continent filled with literally thousands of ethnic groups and such. Claiming to be "African" is an exercise in geographical and cultural stupidity.

(08-02-2014 08:52 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 08:35 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 08:31 PM)jh Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 07:38 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  As far as Mooochel or some say. Michael, having African heritage is really useless and irrelevant to anything constructive. Why should we care about a place, culture she knows nothing about. She's a "poser" a wanna be. She's as much a toxic bigoted person that has ever been the wife of a President of the United States.

Do you feel the same way about people who claim Confederate heritage? I mean, some of those people are so ignorant they don't even realize the Confederate states seceded over slavery.

This is just an attempt at mental masturbation. Confederate heritage is part of American history. Africa is a continent.

African heritage is part of American history also, it's just that it is almost impossible to pinpoint one specific African culture because they sort of combined and made itself distinct.

Name me a few things, which have no African influence in this country.

No influence or very little influence? Because remember that each lie ever told has just a little bit of truth in it.



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(08-02-2014 08:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 06:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 06:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  There is no such thing as an 'African-American' and the 'blood of Africa' doesn't run through her veins.

American blacks hold on to this fallacy and it's sad.

Hell, I'm white and have more claim to being 'African-American' than 90% of blacks having lived on the continent twice, having done a lot of business there, and having family living there.

The term African American is just PC bull****.

Her statement isn't wrong. Check her DNA and it's going to have markers that place her heritage in Africa. You think a DNA test is going to place her origin in Chicago or something like that?

How many black people actually go by African American? It's on the census, but not really used in everyday language.

Now, how else are we supposed to be described? I'd prefer to check American on a census, but that's not going to do much for demographics studies, which have affects on everything from marketing to health. What do YOU want us to go as because apparently it's PC bull**** unless you go by what certain people want to assign you.

Technically, we are all out of Africa, if you want to go back far enough.

The point is that blacks in America hold a romanticized view of Africa that keeps them from being fully integrated.

Africans don't consider American black folks to be African any more than they do me.

That's true. I don't consider myself African either. Went to Cape Town once, never been anywhere else.

I think it is a product of insecurity. An insecurity that didn't just pop out of thin air, I might add.

(08-02-2014 09:07 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 08:52 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 08:35 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 08:31 PM)jh Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 07:38 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  As far as Mooochel or some say. Michael, having African heritage is really useless and irrelevant to anything constructive. Why should we care about a place, culture she knows nothing about. She's a "poser" a wanna be. She's as much a toxic bigoted person that has ever been the wife of a President of the United States.

Do you feel the same way about people who claim Confederate heritage? I mean, some of those people are so ignorant they don't even realize the Confederate states seceded over slavery.

This is just an attempt at mental masturbation. Confederate heritage is part of American history. Africa is a continent.

African heritage is part of American history also, it's just that it is almost impossible to pinpoint one specific African culture because they sort of combined and made itself distinct.

Name me a few things, which have no African influence in this country.

No influence or very little influence? Because remember that each lie ever told has just a little bit of truth in it.



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None. His statement calls for it.

(08-02-2014 09:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 08:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 06:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 06:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  There is no such thing as an 'African-American' and the 'blood of Africa' doesn't run through her veins.

American blacks hold on to this fallacy and it's sad.

Hell, I'm white and have more claim to being 'African-American' than 90% of blacks having lived on the continent twice, having done a lot of business there, and having family living there.

The term African American is just PC bull****.

Her statement isn't wrong. Check her DNA and it's going to have markers that place her heritage in Africa. You think a DNA test is going to place her origin in Chicago or something like that?

How many black people actually go by African American? It's on the census, but not really used in everyday language.

Now, how else are we supposed to be described? I'd prefer to check American on a census, but that's not going to do much for demographics studies, which have affects on everything from marketing to health. What do YOU want us to go as because apparently it's PC bull**** unless you go by what certain people want to assign you.

Technically, we are all out of Africa, if you want to go back far enough.

The point is that blacks in America hold a romanticized view of Africa that keeps them from being fully integrated.

Africans don't consider American black folks to be African any more than they do me.

That's true. I don't consider myself African either. Went to Cape Town once, never been anywhere else.

I think it is a product of insecurity. An insecurity that didn't just pop out of thin air, I might add.

I'm not saying it did.

For the record, I think it is equally as ridiculous and counter productive that people refer to themselves as anything X-American, because they aren't.

Our obsession with this kind of thing makes us a laughing stock all over the world.

The Jersey Shore trash claiming to be Italian in Italy was a perfect example.

(08-02-2014 08:35 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 08:31 PM)jh Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 07:38 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  As far as Mooochel or some say. Michael, having African heritage is really useless and irrelevant to anything constructive. Why should we care about a place, culture she knows nothing about. She's a "poser" a wanna be. She's as much a toxic bigoted person that has ever been the wife of a President of the United States.

Do you feel the same way about people who claim Confederate heritage? I mean, some of those people are so ignorant they don't even realize the Confederate states seceded over slavery.

This is just an attempt at mental masturbation. Confederate heritage is part of American history. Africa is a continent.

A shameful part, yet ignorant people continue to take pride in it.

I'm not sure what you think Africa being a continent (did you have to look that up?) has to do with anything. The Confederacy is also a geographical designation--it's the group of states that got whipped during the Civil War.

Influence can be good or bad.


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(08-02-2014 09:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 08:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 06:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 06:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  There is no such thing as an 'African-American' and the 'blood of Africa' doesn't run through her veins.

American blacks hold on to this fallacy and it's sad.

Hell, I'm white and have more claim to being 'African-American' than 90% of blacks having lived on the continent twice, having done a lot of business there, and having family living there.

The term African American is just PC bull****.

Her statement isn't wrong. Check her DNA and it's going to have markers that place her heritage in Africa. You think a DNA test is going to place her origin in Chicago or something like that?

How many black people actually go by African American? It's on the census, but not really used in everyday language.

Now, how else are we supposed to be described? I'd prefer to check American on a census, but that's not going to do much for demographics studies, which have affects on everything from marketing to health. What do YOU want us to go as because apparently it's PC bull**** unless you go by what certain people want to assign you.

Technically, we are all out of Africa, if you want to go back far enough.

The point is that blacks in America hold a romanticized view of Africa that keeps them from being fully integrated.

Africans don't consider American black folks to be African any more than they do me.

That's true. I don't consider myself African either. Went to Cape Town once, never been anywhere else.

I think it is a product of insecurity. An insecurity that didn't just pop out of thin air, I might add.

I'm not saying it did.

For the record, I think it is equally as ridiculous and counter productive that people refer to themselves as anything X-American, because they aren't.

Our obsession with this kind of thing makes us a laughing stock all over the world.

The Jersey Shore trash claiming to be Italian in Italy was a perfect example.

I can agree because when it comes to getting a loan they're gonna put white.

But I do think that African-American is a bit different. It's a culture both alike, yet distinct from both "mainstream" American culture (though one can argue that our culture becomes mainstream) and those African cultures.

We are almost an ethnicity to ourselves, being influenced by a mixture of African cultures while influencing America since the beginning (even though credit hasn't historically been given).

(08-02-2014 09:19 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Influence can be good or bad.


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Can be. Big influences are usually a bit of both.

(08-02-2014 09:19 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 08:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 06:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Her statement isn't wrong. Check her DNA and it's going to have markers that place her heritage in Africa. You think a DNA test is going to place her origin in Chicago or something like that?

How many black people actually go by African American? It's on the census, but not really used in everyday language.

Now, how else are we supposed to be described? I'd prefer to check American on a census, but that's not going to do much for demographics studies, which have affects on everything from marketing to health. What do YOU want us to go as because apparently it's PC bull**** unless you go by what certain people want to assign you.

Technically, we are all out of Africa, if you want to go back far enough.

The point is that blacks in America hold a romanticized view of Africa that keeps them from being fully integrated.

Africans don't consider American black folks to be African any more than they do me.

That's true. I don't consider myself African either. Went to Cape Town once, never been anywhere else.

I think it is a product of insecurity. An insecurity that didn't just pop out of thin air, I might add.

I'm not saying it did.

For the record, I think it is equally as ridiculous and counter productive that people refer to themselves as anything X-American, because they aren't.

Our obsession with this kind of thing makes us a laughing stock all over the world.

The Jersey Shore trash claiming to be Italian in Italy was a perfect example.

I can agree because when it comes to getting a loan they're gonna put white.

But I do think that African-American is a bit different. It's a culture both alike, yet distinct from both "mainstream" American culture (though one can argue that our culture becomes mainstream) and those African cultures.

We are almost an ethnicity to ourselves, being influenced by a mixture of African cultures while influencing America since the beginning (even though credit hasn't historically been given).

I'd argue 'black' culture is no more African than 'white' culture is European. They are both entirely distinct as a whole, black culture even more so since institutions and languages didn't carry over. Black and white today, culturally, are two flip sides of the American coin.

I think all of these links to the past and overly broad groups like 'African' or 'European' are hurtful since they are so far outside their roots that they are entirely distinct now.

But, back to this whole thing with Michelle. I think she hurts young black kids and the black community by encouraging some romanticized and ignorant view of 'Africa.'

The reason I say that is because the daughter of a woman I used to work with used to tell me all the time about how awesome it was going to be when she graduated college and would move "home." She was one vitriolic and angry little girl, but she only lasted 3 days in Kinshasa before she came "home" to Alabama.

(08-02-2014 09:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:19 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 08:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Technically, we are all out of Africa, if you want to go back far enough.

The point is that blacks in America hold a romanticized view of Africa that keeps them from being fully integrated.

Africans don't consider American black folks to be African any more than they do me.

That's true. I don't consider myself African either. Went to Cape Town once, never been anywhere else.

I think it is a product of insecurity. An insecurity that didn't just pop out of thin air, I might add.

I'm not saying it did.

For the record, I think it is equally as ridiculous and counter productive that people refer to themselves as anything X-American, because they aren't.

Our obsession with this kind of thing makes us a laughing stock all over the world.

The Jersey Shore trash claiming to be Italian in Italy was a perfect example.

I can agree because when it comes to getting a loan they're gonna put white.

But I do think that African-American is a bit different. It's a culture both alike, yet distinct from both "mainstream" American culture (though one can argue that our culture becomes mainstream) and those African cultures.

We are almost an ethnicity to ourselves, being influenced by a mixture of African cultures while influencing America since the beginning (even though credit hasn't historically been given).

I'd argue 'black' culture is no more African than 'white' culture is European. They are both entirely distinct as a whole, black culture even more so since institutions and languages didn't carry over. Black and white today, culturally, are two flip sides of the American coin.

I think all of these links to the past and overly broad groups like 'African' or 'European' are hurtful since they are so far outside their roots that they are entirely distinct now.

But, back to this whole thing with Michelle. I think she hurts young black kids and the black community by encouraging some romanticized and ignorant view of 'Africa.'

The reason I say that is because the daughter of a woman I used to work with used to tell me all the time about how awesome it was going to be when she graduated college and would move "home." She was one vitriolic and angry little girl, but she only lasted 3 days in Kinshasa before she came "home" to Alabama.

But how many times has she romanticized Africa outside of this context? The context under which she said this is extremely important.

Not a lot of black people hold a romantic view of Africa. Talk to anyone on the streets and the view will probably resemble those of Nathan Forrest.

I also agree that white people and black people are flip sides of the American coin, but were stupidly kept apart making it really difficult to combine.

(08-02-2014 09:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:19 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  That's true. I don't consider myself African either. Went to Cape Town once, never been anywhere else.

I think it is a product of insecurity. An insecurity that didn't just pop out of thin air, I might add.

I'm not saying it did.

For the record, I think it is equally as ridiculous and counter productive that people refer to themselves as anything X-American, because they aren't.

Our obsession with this kind of thing makes us a laughing stock all over the world.

The Jersey Shore trash claiming to be Italian in Italy was a perfect example.

I can agree because when it comes to getting a loan they're gonna put white.

But I do think that African-American is a bit different. It's a culture both alike, yet distinct from both "mainstream" American culture (though one can argue that our culture becomes mainstream) and those African cultures.

We are almost an ethnicity to ourselves, being influenced by a mixture of African cultures while influencing America since the beginning (even though credit hasn't historically been given).

I'd argue 'black' culture is no more African than 'white' culture is European. They are both entirely distinct as a whole, black culture even more so since institutions and languages didn't carry over. Black and white today, culturally, are two flip sides of the American coin.

I think all of these links to the past and overly broad groups like 'African' or 'European' are hurtful since they are so far outside their roots that they are entirely distinct now.

But, back to this whole thing with Michelle. I think she hurts young black kids and the black community by encouraging some romanticized and ignorant view of 'Africa.'

The reason I say that is because the daughter of a woman I used to work with used to tell me all the time about how awesome it was going to be when she graduated college and would move "home." She was one vitriolic and angry little girl, but she only lasted 3 days in Kinshasa before she came "home" to Alabama.

But how many times has she romanticized Africa outside of this context? The context under which she said this is extremely important.

Not a lot of black people hold a romantic view of Africa. Talk to anyone on the streets and the view will probably resemble those of Nathan Forrest.

I can only speak from personal experience and I've known a number of black folks who had an unrealistically positive view of Africa and their connection to it.

There has been a consistent and persistent group within black culture that have sought to 'reconnect' with Africa.

The Gabonese even made a fake slave market to try to pull in gullible and ignorant black American tourists who were trying to do just that.

How pervasive this type of thinking is I can't answer but it's there and this little thing from Michelle encourages it. Maybe it's as isolated as the number of American white people who are proudly of Andorran heritage. I sure hope so.

**** To your edited response****

All of this crap where people claim to be part of anything but a uniquely American culture damage that combination. That goes for every fool who claims they are Irish-American, Italian-American, or anything else.

Also, remember I didn't grow up in the United States, even though I spent summers here. When I came to live, it was like nothing I've ever experienced. White people tended to take pride in being everything but American and black people either took pride in being everything but white or did the opposite: hide their "blackness".

(08-02-2014 09:38 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:27 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:19 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 09:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not saying it did.

For the record, I think it is equally as ridiculous and counter productive that people refer to themselves as anything X-American, because they aren't.

Our obsession with this kind of thing makes us a laughing stock all over the world.

The Jersey Shore trash claiming to be Italian in Italy was a perfect example.

I can agree because when it comes to getting a loan they're gonna put white.

But I do think that African-American is a bit different. It's a culture both alike, yet distinct from both "mainstream" American culture (though one can argue that our culture becomes mainstream) and those African cultures.

We are almost an ethnicity to ourselves, being influenced by a mixture of African cultures while influencing America since the beginning (even though credit hasn't historically been given).

I'd argue 'black' culture is no more African than 'white' culture is European. They are both entirely distinct as a whole, black culture even more so since institutions and languages didn't carry over. Black and white today, culturally, are two flip sides of the American coin.

I think all of these links to the past and overly broad groups like 'African' or 'European' are hurtful since they are so far outside their roots that they are entirely distinct now.

But, back to this whole thing with Michelle. I think she hurts young black kids and the black community by encouraging some romanticized and ignorant view of 'Africa.'

The reason I say that is because the daughter of a woman I used to work with used to tell me all the time about how awesome it was going to be when she graduated college and would move "home." She was one vitriolic and angry little girl, but she only lasted 3 days in Kinshasa before she came "home" to Alabama.

But how many times has she romanticized Africa outside of this context? The context under which she said this is extremely important.

Not a lot of black people hold a romantic view of Africa. Talk to anyone on the streets and the view will probably resemble those of Nathan Forrest.

I can only speak from personal experience and I've known a number of black folks who had an unrealistically positive view of Africa and their connection to it.

There has been a consistent and persistent group within black culture that have sought to 'reconnect' with Africa.

The Gabonese even made a fake slave market to try to pull in gullible and ignorant black American tourists who were trying to do just that.

How pervasive this type of thinking is I can't answer but it's there and this little thing from Michelle encourages it. Maybe it's as isolated as the number of American white people who are proudly of Andorran heritage. I sure hope so.

It's not that isolated, but it isn't as common as your fake Irish.