(07-29-2014 06:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Since we have started adding FCS stadiums


Johnson Hagood at The Citadel 21k

I recently drove past the Citadels stadium I liked it.
Looks like a renovation is needed but like how it is steep.
Tearing out the tennis courts and adding a bank of seats would get them twenty five thousand. Except for the flag problems Charleston would make a good bowl destination.

Agreed MJB...Charleston (Citadel) would make a great pre XMas bowl location for the G5 or a 6-6/7-5 P5 team.

(07-29-2014 05:32 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:54 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 10:17 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Houston no longer plays 2-for-1s or 3- for-1s.

Oklahoma St has hosted 2 of the last 3 vs Tulsa, and has another game set in Stillwater in 2017.

BTW, Oklahoma St ain't no Texas A&M in tradition or fan base. More like Texas Tech.

Houston has a 4-game series scheduled upcoming with Tech. 2 at our place, 2 in Lubbock.

The 2017 OSU game is a game contracted some time ago.

TU has told OSU that they would like to continue the series but only home and home which OSU, desiring 6/7 home games, has declined wanting TU to agree to 2/1.

Tulsa just agreed to play Okla State 2 for 1 after the 2017 game.

And scene.

I think it marvelous that TU can schedule OU and OSU 2/1. Contrast that to Texas U and TAMU dumping Houston for the B12 and the Longhorns dumping Houston a second time in favor of TCU. Given this recent past, I don't know why you are so critical of TU.

Oklahoma State U has always wanted to play Tulsa and on a 2/1 basis. Tulsa, up to now resisted. Obviously, TU changed their mind. Perhaps it was the two basketball games as part of the contract and perhaps it was better financial terms for TU. Perhaps both.

But I think it wonderful that OU and OSU are willing and wanting to play Tulsa on a 2/1 basis. No FLorida NonBCS school has the opportunity to regularly play Florida or Florida State; No Texas NonBCS school has the opportunity to regularly play Texas U or TAMU. But little bitty Tulsa, with its 4,167 students, has the opportunity to regularly play Oklahoma U and Oklahoma State.

There was a nice article in today's Daily Oklahoman. Here are some quotes from that article:

OSU, Tulsa Extend Football, Basketball Series
By Bill Haisten

"The contract, OSU Athletic Director Mike Holder said Tuesday, makes sense for multiple reasons, and OSU is very interested in continuing this series for many years to come."

"It's been a little unusual in that in recent history we've had more games with Oklahoma than we've had with Oklahoma State, Golden Hurricane Coach Bill Blankenship said. But you certainly go back to the history of our series together, and I think it's a healthy one for us to have....We believe playing Oklahoma State is a big deal for us, but I also think giving them exposure in Tulsa and this region is positive for both of us."

Tulsa gets the majority of its players in the state of Oklahoma. There is no doubt in my mind that playing OU and OSU regularly is a big boost for TU recruiting within the state and, also, out of state.

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I would say the nicest less than 30,000 seat stadium is Princeton Stadium, with 27,000 seats. Not a bad one in the house.



I saw my first college football game there as a cub scout @1958. They played Colgate. Great experience.

I've never been inside but Harvard Stadium looks really nice from the street, it's just over 30,000 though

(07-31-2014 12:53 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  [quote='bostonspider' pid='10944116' dateline='1406651181']
I would say the nicest less than 30,000 seat stadium is Princeton Stadium, with 27,000 seats. Not a bad one in the house.



I saw my first college football game there as a cub scout @1958. They played Colgate. Great experience.

You're thinking of Palmer Stadium which was demolished to make way for Princeton Stadium back in the late 90's. Palmer Stadium was massive seating over 40k, it was very cool with big stone columns but way too big for the average Princeton crowd. The current Priceton Stadium does look pretty impressive though.

(08-01-2014 12:42 PM)Monarchy Anarchy Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:53 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  [quote='bostonspider' pid='10944116' dateline='1406651181']
I would say the nicest less than 30,000 seat stadium is Princeton Stadium, with 27,000 seats. Not a bad one in the house.



I saw my first college football game there as a cub scout @1958. They played Colgate. Great experience.

You're thinking of Palmer Stadium which was demolished to make way for Princeton Stadium back in the late 90's. Palmer Stadium was massive seating over 40k, it was very cool with big stone columns but way too big for the average Princeton crowd. The current Priceton Stadium does look pretty impressive though.

I agree...it is minimalist but delivers really good sightlines.

(07-31-2014 12:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  No Texas NonBCS school has the opportunity to regularly play Texas U or TAMU.

Rice played at A&M in 2013, will play in College Station again in 2014, and will host in 2019. Rice has played Texas 11 times since the Southwest Conference disbanded in 1995, and has a game scheduled with the Horns in 2015.

The newly renovated Texas State stadium is really nice.

(08-01-2014 12:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 12:42 PM)Monarchy Anarchy Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:53 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  [quote='bostonspider' pid='10944116' dateline='1406651181']
I would say the nicest less than 30,000 seat stadium is Princeton Stadium, with 27,000 seats. Not a bad one in the house.



I saw my first college football game there as a cub scout @1958. They played Colgate. Great experience.

You're thinking of Palmer Stadium which was demolished to make way for Princeton Stadium back in the late 90's. Palmer Stadium was massive seating over 40k, it was very cool with big stone columns but way too big for the average Princeton crowd. The current Priceton Stadium does look pretty impressive though.

I agree...it is minimalist but delivers really good sightlines.

The architect, Rafael Vinoly, did a nice job of evoking the old Palmer Stadium horseshoe layout with his design. I attended a lot games at Palmer and a couple at the new stadium and I have to admit to being a little nostalgic for the old digs. But by removing the track the new stadium puts everyone close to the action. For an FCS stadium it's top-notch.

(08-01-2014 06:13 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 12:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 12:42 PM)Monarchy Anarchy Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:53 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  [quote='bostonspider' pid='10944116' dateline='1406651181']
I would say the nicest less than 30,000 seat stadium is Princeton Stadium, with 27,000 seats. Not a bad one in the house.



I saw my first college football game there as a cub scout @1958. They played Colgate. Great experience.

You're thinking of Palmer Stadium which was demolished to make way for Princeton Stadium back in the late 90's. Palmer Stadium was massive seating over 40k, it was very cool with big stone columns but way too big for the average Princeton crowd. The current Priceton Stadium does look pretty impressive though.

I agree...it is minimalist but delivers really good sightlines.

The architect, Rafael Vinoly, did a nice job of evoking the old Palmer Stadium horseshoe layout with his design. I attended a lot games at Palmer and a couple at the new stadium and I have to admit to being a little nostalgic for the old digs. But by removing the track the new stadium puts everyone close to the action. For an FCS stadium it's top-notch.

I read where Hawaii is considering a new thirty thousand seat stadium.

(07-29-2014 05:23 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:46 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:58 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  this is why I applaud Iowa and Iowa State...

not only do they play each other in football and hoops, but they throw a bone to UNI in football and hoops and Drake in hoops regularly. And guess what, sometimes UNI and Drake win....but despite all the cowards in OSU, Illinois, and every other big state U that is afraid losing to instate schools will "hurt recruiting"....it hasn't seemed to hurt Iowa and Iowa State...at least in regards to recruiting vs UNI and Drake. Tip of the hat to both Iowa and Iowa state for not being chickcraps.....

Yep. Think about this for a minute: given the history of the two schools OSU has only played Cincinnati in basketball one time during the regular season in over 100 years. In football they did not play the bearcats for a period of 68 years before scheduling them a few times in the past 15 years (all but one in Columbus). It hasn't been for a lack of trying by UC.

Especially when it comes to basketball there's no excuse for Ohio State hiding from the other in state programs the way it does.

It took Ohio 19 years to get the Buckeyes to play them again in basketball after beating them in 1994. Of course it was in Columbus, again. The two teams have met 22 time in the last 101yrs and they've played 18 games in Columbus and only 4 in Athens. The Buckeyes are 16-2 at home and 2-2 away, not surprisingly.

Ohio State won't schedule Toledo - even @OSU - since UT beat them @ UT the last time they played in '99 (or around that time). Toledo can't even get Dayton or Wright State or Xavier to come to Toledo for basketball

(07-27-2014 09:29 AM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 09:20 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:50 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  many people have said they have been to numerous 80k+ stadiums and none of them have the atmosphere or loudness of a sold out Nippert...and that's the old 35k nippert, not the new one which will be 40-45K when complete. I'd take a deafening Nippert with the tremendous history, bricks, wrought iron fencing and atmosphere literally smack dab in the middle of campus over a stale and sterile large stadium. So no, in stadiums, size really doesn't matter, not like some in this thread are saying anyway.

I guess there is a sweet spot for size of stadium.
Oregon is a hell of a lot better than its capacity ranking.
Baylor is building a really nice stadium but losing seven thousand seats.
Minnesota has a much better stadium than Southern Cal .

The Miami Hurricanes would be better off playing in the Marlins stadium.
Without looking it up something like a third of FBS average under thirty thousand. Memphis averaging twenty eight thousand in a sixty thousand seat stadium is not ideal. That same average at Tulane's stadium would be great.

No slight to Memphis that is actually good considering the former conference and record.

Any stadium is better than the L.A. Coliseum. That place is a no doubt about it dump!

True but it just has a amazing feel to it. It's hands down one of the best experiences in college football.

Akron:










FAU:








Tulane is going to look great. Honorable mention includes WKU, UNT (they would be included with FAU and Akron, but they're a thousand over 30,000), Utah State, Toledo, Georgia Southern, and Texas State.

(08-01-2014 08:00 PM)MJG Wrote:  I read where Hawaii is considering a new thirty thousand seat stadium.

A New York consultant hired by the Aloha Stadium Authority recently completed a study that recommended tearing down the current 50,000 seat structure and replacing it with a new state-of-the art 30,000-35,000 seat stadium.

The size recommendation was based mostly on interviews with local politicos and bureaucrats, including the current Hawaii AD who arrived after the football program started losing and attendance diminished. If the consultant had bothered to do any real analysis it would have discovered that average Hawaii football attendance has exceeded 35,000 in every season the team has had a winning record over the past 15 years.

Those of us who are long-time Hawaii football fans and remember the big crowds during the June Jones years think a replacement for Aloha Stadium should have 40,000 seats at a minimum.

(08-01-2014 11:38 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 08:00 PM)MJG Wrote:  I read where Hawaii is considering a new thirty thousand seat stadium.

A New York consultant hired by the Aloha Stadium Authority recently completed a study that recommended tearing down the current 50,000 seat structure and replacing it with a new state-of-the art 30,000-35,000 seat stadium.

The size recommendation was based mostly on interviews with local politicos and bureaucrats, including the current Hawaii AD who arrived after the football program started losing and attendance diminished. If the consultant had bothered to do any real analysis it would have discovered that average Hawaii football attendance has exceeded 35,000 in every season the team has had a winning record over the past 15 years.

Those of us who are long-time Hawaii football fans and remember the big crowds during the June Jones years think a replacement for Aloha Stadium should have 40,000 seats at a minimum.

No expert on Hawaii ' s situation the trend for new stadiums is smaller. The video game generation will hurt attendance.

(08-02-2014 04:24 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 11:38 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 08:00 PM)MJG Wrote:  I read where Hawaii is considering a new thirty thousand seat stadium.

A New York consultant hired by the Aloha Stadium Authority recently completed a study that recommended tearing down the current 50,000 seat structure and replacing it with a new state-of-the art 30,000-35,000 seat stadium.

The size recommendation was based mostly on interviews with local politicos and bureaucrats, including the current Hawaii AD who arrived after the football program started losing and attendance diminished. If the consultant had bothered to do any real analysis it would have discovered that average Hawaii football attendance has exceeded 35,000 in every season the team has had a winning record over the past 15 years.

Those of us who are long-time Hawaii football fans and remember the big crowds during the June Jones years think a replacement for Aloha Stadium should have 40,000 seats at a minimum.

No expert on Hawaii ' s situation the trend for new stadiums is smaller. The video game generation will hurt attendance.

Yes, that's a factor, along with the introduction of HDTV and expansion of digital coverage. That's why I could live with a 20% reduction in capacity. But anything more than that will cut into the stadium's revenue-generating capability when the team starts winning again.

(08-02-2014 06:07 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 04:24 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 11:38 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 08:00 PM)MJG Wrote:  I read where Hawaii is considering a new thirty thousand seat stadium.

A New York consultant hired by the Aloha Stadium Authority recently completed a study that recommended tearing down the current 50,000 seat structure and replacing it with a new state-of-the art 30,000-35,000 seat stadium.

The size recommendation was based mostly on interviews with local politicos and bureaucrats, including the current Hawaii AD who arrived after the football program started losing and attendance diminished. If the consultant had bothered to do any real analysis it would have discovered that average Hawaii football attendance has exceeded 35,000 in every season the team has had a winning record over the past 15 years.

Those of us who are long-time Hawaii football fans and remember the big crowds during the June Jones years think a replacement for Aloha Stadium should have 40,000 seats at a minimum.

No expert on Hawaii ' s situation the trend for new stadiums is smaller. The video game generation will hurt attendance.

Yes, that's a factor, along with the introduction of HDTV and expansion of digital coverage. That's why I could live with a 20% reduction in capacity. But anything more than that will cut into the stadium's revenue-generating capability when the team starts winning again.

Right now there isn't a demand for a bigger stadium. No Pro teams, no bowl games needing more than 35k. Hawaii (with the 13th game exclusion) would still be able to draw the P5 schools out there. I think 35k is about right.

I'd make it 35k and I make it with extra large seats. With it smaller in size the pricing and demand for tickets will firm up. You might engineer in the ability to cheaply expand as a hedge.

(08-02-2014 10:20 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 06:07 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 04:24 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 11:38 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 08:00 PM)MJG Wrote:  I read where Hawaii is considering a new thirty thousand seat stadium.

A New York consultant hired by the Aloha Stadium Authority recently completed a study that recommended tearing down the current 50,000 seat structure and replacing it with a new state-of-the art 30,000-35,000 seat stadium.

The size recommendation was based mostly on interviews with local politicos and bureaucrats, including the current Hawaii AD who arrived after the football program started losing and attendance diminished. If the consultant had bothered to do any real analysis it would have discovered that average Hawaii football attendance has exceeded 35,000 in every season the team has had a winning record over the past 15 years.

Those of us who are long-time Hawaii football fans and remember the big crowds during the June Jones years think a replacement for Aloha Stadium should have 40,000 seats at a minimum.

No expert on Hawaii ' s situation the trend for new stadiums is smaller. The video game generation will hurt attendance.

Yes, that's a factor, along with the introduction of HDTV and expansion of digital coverage. That's why I could live with a 20% reduction in capacity. But anything more than that will cut into the stadium's revenue-generating capability when the team starts winning again.

Right now there isn't a demand for a bigger stadium. No Pro teams, no bowl games needing more than 35k. Hawaii (with the 13th game exclusion) would still be able to draw the P5 schools out there. I think 35k is about right.

I'd make it 35k and I make it with extra large seats. With it smaller in size the pricing and demand for tickets will firm up. You might engineer in the ability to cheaply expand as a hedge.

Over the past 15 years there have been 70 Hawaii home football games at Aloha Stadium with attendance over 35,000. Of those, 38 games had attendance over 40,000.

Hawaii Bowl attendance when Hawaii has been in the game has averaged 39,145 over all six appearances and 43,548 in the past three appearances.

The notion that shrinking the stadium will allow ticket prices to be raised is a misconception. All Hawaii home games are locally available on HD pay-per-view for $75 per game. That's about the same as paying for two tickets, parking, food and drinks, but with no traffic, no lines in the restrooms and no hassles. With pay-per-view having effectively capped ticket prices, the only way to increase ticket revenue is to have more seats available to sell at current rates.

In my view settling for a new stadium with fewer than 40,000 seats will cost Hawaii money in the long run, and the program needs all the revenue it can get.

You might be right...I'll defer to your local insight there...Just I've seen some games with much less than 40k. Going to 40k with extra wide seating and suites is still better than the current set up. Do they have room to build a new stadium in the existing land and then tear down Aloha Stadium when the new stadium opens?