(07-28-2014 07:25 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:46 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Less than 30,000 capacity smacks of FCS schools! Less than 40,000 is almost a high end FCS school. I understand why Cincinnati cannot add more seats and in the Bearcats defense thet are making it the nicest 40,000 seat stadium in the NCAA!

Was FBS part of the criteria? In that case, I haven't seen these but would like to see Washington-Grizzly, Bridgeforth, and Foreman Field. I bet they're in the running.

Don't see why not the game day building is cool at ODU

(07-28-2014 04:54 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 10:17 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Houston no longer plays 2-for-1s or 3- for-1s.

OU has played Tulsa 13 times since WW2. Only 3 of those were at Tulsa. It will be 11 at Norman, 4 at Tulsa when the current unbalanced scheduling agreement concludes in 2015.

Oklahoma St has hosted 2 of the last 3 vs Tulsa, and has another game set in Stillwater in 2017.

BTW, Oklahoma St ain't no Texas A&M in tradition or fan base. More like Texas Tech.

Houston has a 4-game series scheduled upcoming with Tech. 2 at our place, 2 in Lubbock.

The last six OU/TU games have been 2/1 deals and these games are, without question, a feather in the hat for Tulsa. Much of the credit goes to current OU AD. As one TU Coach said, "this is not only a golden opportunity for our players but we would be publicly ridiculed for turning this deal down by the Oklahoma public." I am in total agreement with the coach on this point.

The 2017 OSU game is a game contracted some time ago but got continually shoved back due primarily to the 9 game B12 conference schedule as OSU had to shed some contracts and push other contracts back.

TU has told OSU that they would like to continue the series but only home and home which OSU, desiring 6/7 home games, has declined wanting TU to agree to 2/1. Essentially, Tulsa has replaced OSU as a regular opponent with 7-Time National Champ Oklahoma.

Not bad for a peanut size school of 4,167 students, the smallest school playing IA football, to not only play IA football but to excel and to regularly play the B12 Conference Contender as well as National Champion contender. TU and OU play 6 games in a 9 year period from 2007 to 2015. What other NonBCS school can say that? To regularly play Michigan &/orOhio State, Southern Cal &/or UCLA, Alabama &/orFlorida?

Last six Tulsa/Oklahoma games:
2007: Oklahoma @TU
2009: TU @Oklahoma
2011: TU @Oklahoma
2013: TU @Oklahoma
2014: Oklahoma @TU
2015: TU @Oklahoma

Tulsa is the only non conference FBS program in the state and Tulsa and North Texas are the only teams within 350 miles of UO that aren't in the Big XII, it shouldn't be a surprise that they play regularly. You can't compare that to a school like Ohio State that has 22 or 23 non conferences programs within a 350 mile radius. There are 7 options in the state of Ohio alone. Totally different.

(07-28-2014 02:53 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 03:34 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I like Athens Ohio, but getting there seemed difficult. Even Clemson and Blacksburg are just 10-15 miles from the Interstate, and Blacksburg has a new road being cut into BB from the north of town that bypasses 460.

there were recent upgrades finished to the road between Columbus and Athens that make the trip much quicker and easier.

I was talking about getting to Athens to via I-81 or I-64. I agree it's not bad at all from Columbus, I went that way about three years ago - it was the stretch from Athens to Charleston WVa that was onerous.

(07-28-2014 07:43 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:54 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 10:17 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Houston no longer plays 2-for-1s or 3- for-1s.

OU has played Tulsa 13 times since WW2. Only 3 of those were at Tulsa. It will be 11 at Norman, 4 at Tulsa when the current unbalanced scheduling agreement concludes in 2015.

Oklahoma St has hosted 2 of the last 3 vs Tulsa, and has another game set in Stillwater in 2017.

BTW, Oklahoma St ain't no Texas A&M in tradition or fan base. More like Texas Tech.

Houston has a 4-game series scheduled upcoming with Tech. 2 at our place, 2 in Lubbock.

The last six OU/TU games have been 2/1 deals and these games are, without question, a feather in the hat for Tulsa. Much of the credit goes to current OU AD. As one TU Coach said, "this is not only a golden opportunity for our players but we would be publicly ridiculed for turning this deal down by the Oklahoma public." I am in total agreement with the coach on this point.

The 2017 OSU game is a game contracted some time ago but got continually shoved back due primarily to the 9 game B12 conference schedule as OSU had to shed some contracts and push other contracts back.

TU has told OSU that they would like to continue the series but only home and home which OSU, desiring 6/7 home games, has declined wanting TU to agree to 2/1. Essentially, Tulsa has replaced OSU as a regular opponent with 7-Time National Champ Oklahoma.

Not bad for a peanut size school of 4,167 students, the smallest school playing IA football, to not only play IA football but to excel and to regularly play the B12 Conference Contender as well as National Champion contender. TU and OU play 6 games in a 9 year period from 2007 to 2015. What other NonBCS school can say that? To regularly play Michigan &/orOhio State, Southern Cal &/or UCLA, Alabama &/orFlorida?

Last six Tulsa/Oklahoma games:
2007: Oklahoma @TU
2009: TU @Oklahoma
2011: TU @Oklahoma
2013: TU @Oklahoma
2014: Oklahoma @TU
2015: TU @Oklahoma

Tulsa is the only non conference FBS program in the state and Tulsa and North Texas are the only teams within 350 miles of UO that aren't in the Big XII, it shouldn't be a surprise that they play regularly. You can't compare that to a school like Ohio State that has 22 or 23 non conferences programs within a 350 mile radius. There are 7 options in the state of Ohio alone. Totally different.

I am not sure citing Ohio State U and the state of Ohio with its many NonBCS programs is 100% valid. While Ohio State does schedule MAC schools including programs within the state, OSU won't travel to a MAC school. Then there are schools like Illinois which doesn't play NIU, Purdue and Indiana ignore Ball State, North Carolina ignores ECU, Tennessee ignores Memphis, etc.

But I agree with you point in that I don't believe there is the degree of conflict within the state of Oklahoma among its 3 IA football programs. Not that it is luvy duvy huggy huggy but there is cooperation within the state that you don't see elsewhere. I always wondered if Drake football would have survivied if ISU and Iowa played them and if KU and KSU played Wichita, would the Shocker football program survived?

this is why I applaud Iowa and Iowa State...

not only do they play each other in football and hoops, but they throw a bone to UNI in football and hoops and Drake in hoops regularly. And guess what, sometimes UNI and Drake win....but despite all the cowards in OSU, Illinois, and every other big state U that is afraid losing to instate schools will "hurt recruiting"....it hasn't seemed to hurt Iowa and Iowa State...at least in regards to recruiting vs UNI and Drake. Tip of the hat to both Iowa and Iowa state for not being chickcraps.....

UMich and MichSt both play the in-state MAC schools in football a lot - but until recently, they were always at the Big10 stadiums. MichSt has started to occasionally play the Michigan MACs at their places (which are less than half the capacity of Spartan Stadium). They've already played at CMU (largest crowd ever at Kelly-Shorts stadium) and they have games @EMU and @WMU scheduled. I don't know if UMich has played any of the 3 at the MAC stadiums in the modern era - but it would be a major revenue loss as the MAC stadiums are barely 1/4 the size of Michigan Stadium.

In basketball, they have to spread it around a little more because there are more in-state division I BB programs (the 3 Michigan MACs - as well as OaklandU and UofDetroit) but I think the 2 Big10 programs each play one or two (of the 5) almost every season. A good number of those games have been as away games or in Detroit's major venues (the Palace of Auburn Hills, and the old Cobo Arena, etc), which are just a few miles from OaklandU and UofDetroit respectively. They play some of the division 2 (or lower) schools (GVSU, SVSU, NMU, and even Concordia) as pre-season BB games as well.

(07-28-2014 10:29 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 07:43 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:54 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 10:17 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Houston no longer plays 2-for-1s or 3- for-1s.

OU has played Tulsa 13 times since WW2. Only 3 of those were at Tulsa. It will be 11 at Norman, 4 at Tulsa when the current unbalanced scheduling agreement concludes in 2015.

Oklahoma St has hosted 2 of the last 3 vs Tulsa, and has another game set in Stillwater in 2017.

BTW, Oklahoma St ain't no Texas A&M in tradition or fan base. More like Texas Tech.

Houston has a 4-game series scheduled upcoming with Tech. 2 at our place, 2 in Lubbock.

The last six OU/TU games have been 2/1 deals and these games are, without question, a feather in the hat for Tulsa. Much of the credit goes to current OU AD. As one TU Coach said, "this is not only a golden opportunity for our players but we would be publicly ridiculed for turning this deal down by the Oklahoma public." I am in total agreement with the coach on this point.

The 2017 OSU game is a game contracted some time ago but got continually shoved back due primarily to the 9 game B12 conference schedule as OSU had to shed some contracts and push other contracts back.

TU has told OSU that they would like to continue the series but only home and home which OSU, desiring 6/7 home games, has declined wanting TU to agree to 2/1. Essentially, Tulsa has replaced OSU as a regular opponent with 7-Time National Champ Oklahoma.

Not bad for a peanut size school of 4,167 students, the smallest school playing IA football, to not only play IA football but to excel and to regularly play the B12 Conference Contender as well as National Champion contender. TU and OU play 6 games in a 9 year period from 2007 to 2015. What other NonBCS school can say that? To regularly play Michigan &/orOhio State, Southern Cal &/or UCLA, Alabama &/orFlorida?

Last six Tulsa/Oklahoma games:
2007: Oklahoma @TU
2009: TU @Oklahoma
2011: TU @Oklahoma
2013: TU @Oklahoma
2014: Oklahoma @TU
2015: TU @Oklahoma

Tulsa is the only non conference FBS program in the state and Tulsa and North Texas are the only teams within 350 miles of UO that aren't in the Big XII, it shouldn't be a surprise that they play regularly. You can't compare that to a school like Ohio State that has 22 or 23 non conferences programs within a 350 mile radius. There are 7 options in the state of Ohio alone. Totally different.

I am not sure citing Ohio State U and the state of Ohio with its many NonBCS programs is 100% valid. While Ohio State does schedule MAC schools including programs within the state, OSU won't travel to a MAC school. Then there are schools like Illinois which doesn't play NIU, Purdue and Indiana ignore Ball State, North Carolina ignores ECU, Tennessee ignores Memphis, etc.

But I agree with you point in that I don't believe there is the degree of conflict within the state of Oklahoma among its 3 IA football programs. Not that it is luvy duvy huggy huggy but there is cooperation within the state that you don't see elsewhere. I always wondered if Drake football would have survivied if ISU and Iowa played them and if KU and KSU played Wichita, would the Shocker football program survived?

you're the one that cited Ohio State, that's why I used them as an example. Point being, Tulsa's situation is unique compared to a lot of other G5 schools in that it is in a state and a part of the country that isn't as densely populated with FBS teams which helps its chances at securing matchups with the big state school.

(07-29-2014 06:59 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:29 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 07:43 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:54 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 10:17 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Houston no longer plays 2-for-1s or 3- for-1s.

OU has played Tulsa 13 times since WW2. Only 3 of those were at Tulsa. It will be 11 at Norman, 4 at Tulsa when the current unbalanced scheduling agreement concludes in 2015.

Oklahoma St has hosted 2 of the last 3 vs Tulsa, and has another game set in Stillwater in 2017.

BTW, Oklahoma St ain't no Texas A&M in tradition or fan base. More like Texas Tech.

Houston has a 4-game series scheduled upcoming with Tech. 2 at our place, 2 in Lubbock.

The last six OU/TU games have been 2/1 deals and these games are, without question, a feather in the hat for Tulsa. Much of the credit goes to current OU AD. As one TU Coach said, "this is not only a golden opportunity for our players but we would be publicly ridiculed for turning this deal down by the Oklahoma public." I am in total agreement with the coach on this point.

The 2017 OSU game is a game contracted some time ago but got continually shoved back due primarily to the 9 game B12 conference schedule as OSU had to shed some contracts and push other contracts back.

TU has told OSU that they would like to continue the series but only home and home which OSU, desiring 6/7 home games, has declined wanting TU to agree to 2/1. Essentially, Tulsa has replaced OSU as a regular opponent with 7-Time National Champ Oklahoma.

Not bad for a peanut size school of 4,167 students, the smallest school playing IA football, to not only play IA football but to excel and to regularly play the B12 Conference Contender as well as National Champion contender. TU and OU play 6 games in a 9 year period from 2007 to 2015. What other NonBCS school can say that? To regularly play Michigan &/orOhio State, Southern Cal &/or UCLA, Alabama &/orFlorida?

Last six Tulsa/Oklahoma games:
2007: Oklahoma @TU
2009: TU @Oklahoma
2011: TU @Oklahoma
2013: TU @Oklahoma
2014: Oklahoma @TU
2015: TU @Oklahoma

Tulsa is the only non conference FBS program in the state and Tulsa and North Texas are the only teams within 350 miles of UO that aren't in the Big XII, it shouldn't be a surprise that they play regularly. You can't compare that to a school like Ohio State that has 22 or 23 non conferences programs within a 350 mile radius. There are 7 options in the state of Ohio alone. Totally different.

I am not sure citing Ohio State U and the state of Ohio with its many NonBCS programs is 100% valid. While Ohio State does schedule MAC schools including programs within the state, OSU won't travel to a MAC school. Then there are schools like Illinois which doesn't play NIU, Purdue and Indiana ignore Ball State, North Carolina ignores ECU, Tennessee ignores Memphis, etc.

But I agree with you point in that I don't believe there is the degree of conflict within the state of Oklahoma among its 3 IA football programs. Not that it is luvy duvy huggy huggy but there is cooperation within the state that you don't see elsewhere. I always wondered if Drake football would have survivied if ISU and Iowa played them and if KU and KSU played Wichita, would the Shocker football program survived?

you're the one that cited Ohio State, that's why I used them as an example. Point being, Tulsa's situation is unique compared to a lot of other G5 schools in that it is in a state and a part of the country that isn't as densely populated with FBS teams which helps its chances at securing matchups with the big state school.

There are three OSUs, Ohio State, Oregon State, and Oklahoma State. I did not mean to refer to Ohio State but Oklahoma State.

(07-29-2014 10:10 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 06:59 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:29 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 07:43 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 04:54 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The last six OU/TU games have been 2/1 deals and these games are, without question, a feather in the hat for Tulsa. Much of the credit goes to current OU AD. As one TU Coach said, "this is not only a golden opportunity for our players but we would be publicly ridiculed for turning this deal down by the Oklahoma public." I am in total agreement with the coach on this point.

The 2017 OSU game is a game contracted some time ago but got continually shoved back due primarily to the 9 game B12 conference schedule as OSU had to shed some contracts and push other contracts back.

TU has told OSU that they would like to continue the series but only home and home which OSU, desiring 6/7 home games, has declined wanting TU to agree to 2/1. Essentially, Tulsa has replaced OSU as a regular opponent with 7-Time National Champ Oklahoma.

Not bad for a peanut size school of 4,167 students, the smallest school playing IA football, to not only play IA football but to excel and to regularly play the B12 Conference Contender as well as National Champion contender. TU and OU play 6 games in a 9 year period from 2007 to 2015. What other NonBCS school can say that? To regularly play Michigan &/orOhio State, Southern Cal &/or UCLA, Alabama &/orFlorida?

Last six Tulsa/Oklahoma games:
2007: Oklahoma @TU
2009: TU @Oklahoma
2011: TU @Oklahoma
2013: TU @Oklahoma
2014: Oklahoma @TU
2015: TU @Oklahoma

Tulsa is the only non conference FBS program in the state and Tulsa and North Texas are the only teams within 350 miles of UO that aren't in the Big XII, it shouldn't be a surprise that they play regularly. You can't compare that to a school like Ohio State that has 22 or 23 non conferences programs within a 350 mile radius. There are 7 options in the state of Ohio alone. Totally different.

I am not sure citing Ohio State U and the state of Ohio with its many NonBCS programs is 100% valid. While Ohio State does schedule MAC schools including programs within the state, OSU won't travel to a MAC school. Then there are schools like Illinois which doesn't play NIU, Purdue and Indiana ignore Ball State, North Carolina ignores ECU, Tennessee ignores Memphis, etc.

But I agree with you point in that I don't believe there is the degree of conflict within the state of Oklahoma among its 3 IA football programs. Not that it is luvy duvy huggy huggy but there is cooperation within the state that you don't see elsewhere. I always wondered if Drake football would have survivied if ISU and Iowa played them and if KU and KSU played Wichita, would the Shocker football program survived?

you're the one that cited Ohio State, that's why I used them as an example. Point being, Tulsa's situation is unique compared to a lot of other G5 schools in that it is in a state and a part of the country that isn't as densely populated with FBS teams which helps its chances at securing matchups with the big state school.

There are three OSUs, Ohio State, Oregon State, and Oklahoma State. I did not mean to refer to Ohio State but Oklahoma State.

I was referring to the part where you mentioned Ohio State. See above in red.

(07-29-2014 10:38 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:10 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 06:59 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:29 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 07:43 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Tulsa is the only non conference FBS program in the state and Tulsa and North Texas are the only teams within 350 miles of UO that aren't in the Big XII, it shouldn't be a surprise that they play regularly. You can't compare that to a school like Ohio State that has 22 or 23 non conferences programs within a 350 mile radius. There are 7 options in the state of Ohio alone. Totally different.

I am not sure citing Ohio State U and the state of Ohio with its many NonBCS programs is 100% valid. While Ohio State does schedule MAC schools including programs within the state, OSU won't travel to a MAC school. Then there are schools like Illinois which doesn't play NIU, Purdue and Indiana ignore Ball State, North Carolina ignores ECU, Tennessee ignores Memphis, etc.

But I agree with you point in that I don't believe there is the degree of conflict within the state of Oklahoma among its 3 IA football programs. Not that it is luvy duvy huggy huggy but there is cooperation within the state that you don't see elsewhere. I always wondered if Drake football would have survivied if ISU and Iowa played them and if KU and KSU played Wichita, would the Shocker football program survived?

you're the one that cited Ohio State, that's why I used them as an example. Point being, Tulsa's situation is unique compared to a lot of other G5 schools in that it is in a state and a part of the country that isn't as densely populated with FBS teams which helps its chances at securing matchups with the big state school.

There are three OSUs, Ohio State, Oregon State, and Oklahoma State. I did not mean to refer to Ohio State but Oklahoma State.

I was referring to the part where you mentioned Ohio State. See above in red.

OK, I see your point.

To add to your point, I would emphasize that the three schools--OU, OSU, TU--have a stronger relationship that what I observe in many states. Not luvy duvy, but not strangers either. For example, the President of OSU got his law degree from OU. Many of the TU Board of Regents also have connections with OU and OSU.

(07-28-2014 10:58 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  this is why I applaud Iowa and Iowa State...

not only do they play each other in football and hoops, but they throw a bone to UNI in football and hoops and Drake in hoops regularly. And guess what, sometimes UNI and Drake win....but despite all the cowards in OSU, Illinois, and every other big state U that is afraid losing to instate schools will "hurt recruiting"....it hasn't seemed to hurt Iowa and Iowa State...at least in regards to recruiting vs UNI and Drake. Tip of the hat to both Iowa and Iowa state for not being chickcraps.....

Yep. Think about this for a minute: given the history of the two schools OSU has only played Cincinnati in basketball one time during the regular season in over 100 years. In football they did not play the bearcats for a period of 68 years before scheduling them a few times in the past 15 years (all but one in Columbus). It hasn't been for a lack of trying by UC.

I would say the nicest less than 30,000 seat stadium is Princeton Stadium, with 27,000 seats. Not a bad one in the house.



Bridgeforth Stadium at JMU should also be on the list.



Washington-Grizzly Stadium at Montana also is great

Nice stadiums

(07-29-2014 12:09 PM)panama Wrote:  Nice stadiums

Yes I like all 3.

(07-29-2014 10:46 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:58 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  this is why I applaud Iowa and Iowa State...

not only do they play each other in football and hoops, but they throw a bone to UNI in football and hoops and Drake in hoops regularly. And guess what, sometimes UNI and Drake win....but despite all the cowards in OSU, Illinois, and every other big state U that is afraid losing to instate schools will "hurt recruiting"....it hasn't seemed to hurt Iowa and Iowa State...at least in regards to recruiting vs UNI and Drake. Tip of the hat to both Iowa and Iowa state for not being chickcraps.....

Yep. Think about this for a minute: given the history of the two schools OSU has only played Cincinnati in basketball one time during the regular season in over 100 years. In football they did not play the bearcats for a period of 68 years before scheduling them a few times in the past 15 years (all but one in Columbus). It hasn't been for a lack of trying by UC.

Especially when it comes to basketball there's no excuse for Ohio State hiding from the other in state programs the way it does.

It took Ohio 19 years to get the Buckeyes to play them again in basketball after beating them in 1994. Of course it was in Columbus, again. The two teams have met 22 time in the last 101yrs and they've played 18 games in Columbus and only 4 in Athens. The Buckeyes are 16-2 at home and 2-2 away, not surprisingly.

(07-28-2014 04:54 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 10:17 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Houston no longer plays 2-for-1s or 3- for-1s.

Oklahoma St has hosted 2 of the last 3 vs Tulsa, and has another game set in Stillwater in 2017.

BTW, Oklahoma St ain't no Texas A&M in tradition or fan base. More like Texas Tech.

Houston has a 4-game series scheduled upcoming with Tech. 2 at our place, 2 in Lubbock.

The 2017 OSU game is a game contracted some time ago.

TU has told OSU that they would like to continue the series but only home and home which OSU, desiring 6/7 home games, has declined wanting TU to agree to 2/1.

Tulsa just agreed to play Okla State 2 for 1 after the 2017 game.

And scene.

(07-29-2014 11:26 AM)bostonspider Wrote:  I would say the nicest less than 30,000 seat stadium is Princeton Stadium, with 27,000 seats. Not a bad one in the house.



Bridgeforth Stadium at JMU should also be on the list.



Washington-Grizzly Stadium at Montana also is great

From these pictures Princeton would be my pick.
The bat wings at Montana are cool looking . I wonder if four was ever considered.

(07-29-2014 06:07 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 11:26 AM)bostonspider Wrote:  I would say the nicest less than 30,000 seat stadium is Princeton Stadium, with 27,000 seats. Not a bad one in the house.



Bridgeforth Stadium at JMU should also be on the list.



Washington-Grizzly Stadium at Montana also is great

From these pictures Princeton would be my pick.
The bat wings at Montana are cool looking . I wonder if four was ever considered.

Hornet Stadium at ASU along with Bridgeforth Stadium at JMU and Washington-Grizzly Stadium at Montana.

Since we have started adding FCS stadiums


Johnson Hagood at The Citadel 21k

(07-28-2014 10:58 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  this is why I applaud Iowa and Iowa State...

not only do they play each other in football and hoops, but they throw a bone to UNI in football and hoops and Drake in hoops regularly. And guess what, sometimes UNI and Drake win....but despite all the cowards in OSU, Illinois, and every other big state U that is afraid losing to instate schools will "hurt recruiting"....it hasn't seemed to hurt Iowa and Iowa State...at least in regards to recruiting vs UNI and Drake. Tip of the hat to both Iowa and Iowa state for not being chickcraps.....

IIRC, all public schools in the state of Iowa are required to play each other in non-conference play in basketball, so it's not necessarily out of desire or generosity. UNI's upset of Iowa around the turn of the century was the game that got them rolling toward becoming a mid-major power.