(07-24-2014 06:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 05:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 04:04 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  You are nuts. Look who the Orange Bowl had to take over the past decade from the ACC - traveling heavyweights such as WF and GT, they almost got BC twice. Three of the ACC's top travelers can't even get it together to sniff the OB. The value of the OB is related to the risk of having teams that will not sell out the bowl, moreover in the last several years one of our best travelers, VT, began to show bowl fatigue. And yes the B10 and SEC are in a position to demand good money for their 2nd or 3rd team - a damn sight more than the AAC champ.

Out of the last twelve times the ACC has had a representative in the Orange Bowl it has had one of the three best traveling teams (Clemson, FSU or VT) eight times.

Yeah, I don't think it's been the ACC representative that has been the problem in recent years. Consider the opponents:

2006 #3 Penn State 26 #22 Florida St 23
2007 #6 Louisville 24 #14 Wake Forest 13
2008 #8 Kansas 24 #3 Va Tech 21
2009 #19 Va Tech 20 #12 Cincinnati 7
2010 #10 Iowa 24 #9 Georgia Tech 14
2011 #4 Stanford 40 #13 Va Tech 12
2012 #23 W Virginia 70 #15 Clemson 33
2013 #12 Florida St 31 #15 N Illinois 10
2014 #12 Clemson 40 #7 Ohio State 35

Basically only 3 years when BOTH teams travel well.
(3.5 if you give Ga Tech partial credit)

The only thing I can figure is lumber is trying to perpetuate the myth that NC State is one of the top travelers in the conference despite that myth being dispelled over and over. NC State might travel in the Triangle, but that's about it.

(07-24-2014 06:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 05:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 04:04 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  You are nuts. Look who the Orange Bowl had to take over the past decade from the ACC - traveling heavyweights such as WF and GT, they almost got BC twice. Three of the ACC's top travelers can't even get it together to sniff the OB. The value of the OB is related to the risk of having teams that will not sell out the bowl, moreover in the last several years one of our best travelers, VT, began to show bowl fatigue. And yes the B10 and SEC are in a position to demand good money for their 2nd or 3rd team - a damn sight more than the AAC champ.

Out of the last twelve times the ACC has had a representative in the Orange Bowl it has had one of the three best traveling teams (Clemson, FSU or VT) eight times.

Yeah, I don't think it's been the ACC representative that has been the problem in recent years. Consider the opponents:

2006 #3 Penn State 26 #22 Florida St 23
2007 #6 Louisville 24 #14 Wake Forest 13
2008 #8 Kansas 24 #3 Va Tech 21
2009 #19 Va Tech 20 #12 Cincinnati 7
2010 #10 Iowa 24 #9 Georgia Tech 14
2011 #4 Stanford 40 #13 Va Tech 12
2012 #23 W Virginia 70 #15 Clemson 33
2013 #12 Florida St 31 #15 N Illinois 10
2014 #12 Clemson 40 #7 Ohio State 35

Basically only 3 years when BOTH teams travel well.
(3.5 if you give Ga Tech partial credit)

6 out of the 9 games you provided would be fixed under the new format

(07-24-2014 06:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 05:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 04:04 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  You are nuts. Look who the Orange Bowl had to take over the past decade from the ACC - traveling heavyweights such as WF and GT, they almost got BC twice. Three of the ACC's top travelers can't even get it together to sniff the OB. The value of the OB is related to the risk of having teams that will not sell out the bowl, moreover in the last several years one of our best travelers, VT, began to show bowl fatigue. And yes the B10 and SEC are in a position to demand good money for their 2nd or 3rd team - a damn sight more than the AAC champ.

Out of the last twelve times the ACC has had a representative in the Orange Bowl it has had one of the three best traveling teams (Clemson, FSU or VT) eight times.

Yeah, I don't think it's been the ACC representative that has been the problem in recent years. Consider the opponents:

2006 #3 Penn State 26 #22 Florida St 23
2007 #6 Louisville 24 #14 Wake Forest 13
2008 #8 Kansas 24 #3 Va Tech 21
2009 #19 Va Tech 20 #12 Cincinnati 7
2010 #10 Iowa 24 #9 Georgia Tech 14
2011 #4 Stanford 40 #13 Va Tech 12
[size=large]2012 #23 W Virginia 70 #15 Clemson 33 [/size]
2013 #12 Florida St 31 #15 N Illinois 10
2014 #12 Clemson 40 #7 Ohio State 35

Basically only 3 years when BOTH teams travel well.
(3.5 if you give Ga Tech partial credit)

The only thing I can figure is lumber is trying to perpetuate the myth that NC State is one of the top travelers in the conference despite that myth being dispelled over and over. NC State might travel in the Triangle, but that's about it.

When is Clemson leaving to take over the SEC?

Oh that's right, no interest from the SEC.

(07-24-2014 07:25 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 05:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 04:04 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  You are nuts. Look who the Orange Bowl had to take over the past decade from the ACC - traveling heavyweights such as WF and GT, they almost got BC twice. Three of the ACC's top travelers can't even get it together to sniff the OB. The value of the OB is related to the risk of having teams that will not sell out the bowl, moreover in the last several years one of our best travelers, VT, began to show bowl fatigue. And yes the B10 and SEC are in a position to demand good money for their 2nd or 3rd team - a damn sight more than the AAC champ.

Out of the last twelve times the ACC has had a representative in the Orange Bowl it has had one of the three best traveling teams (Clemson, FSU or VT) eight times.

Yeah, I don't think it's been the ACC representative that has been the problem in recent years. Consider the opponents:

2006 #3 Penn State 26 #22 Florida St 23
2007 #6 Louisville 24 #14 Wake Forest 13
2008 #8 Kansas 24 #3 Va Tech 21
2009 #19 Va Tech 20 #12 Cincinnati 7
2010 #10 Iowa 24 #9 Georgia Tech 14
2011 #4 Stanford 40 #13 Va Tech 12
2012 #23 W Virginia 70 #15 Clemson 33
2013 #12 Florida St 31 #15 N Illinois 10
2014 #12 Clemson 40 #7 Ohio State 35

Basically only 3 years when BOTH teams travel well.
(3.5 if you give Ga Tech partial credit)

6 out of the 9 games you provided would be fixed under the new format

Baloney misses the point as usual. The Orange Bowl has seen the following from the ACC:


Year

Atlantic Division

Score

Coastal Division

Venue, Location (Capacity)

Attendance

MVP


2005 22 Florida State 27–22 5 Virginia Tech Alltel Stadium, Jacksonville, FL (76,867) 72,749 Willie Reid (Florida State)

2006 16 Wake Forest 9–6 22 Georgia Tech Alltel Stadium, Jacksonville, FL (76,867) 62,850 Sam Swank (Wake Forest)

2007 12 Boston College 16–30 5 Virginia Tech Jacksonville Municipal Stadium, Jacksonville, FL (76,867) 53,212 Sean Glennon (Virginia Tech)

2008 20 Boston College 12–30 Virginia Tech Raymond James Stadium, Tampa, FL (65,908) 27,360[87] Tyrod Taylor (Virginia Tech)

2009 Clemson 34–39* 10 Georgia Tech* Raymond James Stadium, Tampa, FL (65,908) 44,897 C. J. Spiller (Clemson)

2010 20 Florida State 33–44 11 Virginia Tech Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, NC (73,778) 72,379 Tyrod Taylor (Virginia Tech)

2011 21 Clemson 38–10 5 Virginia Tech Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, NC (73,778) 73,675 Tajh Boyd (Clemson)

2012 12 Florida State 21–15 Georgia Tech Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, NC (73,778) 64,778 James Wilder, Jr. (Florida State)

2013 1 Florida State 45–7 20 Duke Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, NC (73,778) 67,694 Jameis Winston (Florida State)

Seven of 18 Division Champions have been small private schools or small public schools. That's part of the risk the OB takes with the ACC. These smaller schools are one half to one third the size of FSU - they are one third to one fourth the size of an average B10 school.

(07-24-2014 09:33 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 05:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 04:04 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  You are nuts. Look who the Orange Bowl had to take over the past decade from the ACC - traveling heavyweights such as WF and GT, they almost got BC twice. Three of the ACC's top travelers can't even get it together to sniff the OB. The value of the OB is related to the risk of having teams that will not sell out the bowl, moreover in the last several years one of our best travelers, VT, began to show bowl fatigue. And yes the B10 and SEC are in a position to demand good money for their 2nd or 3rd team - a damn sight more than the AAC champ.

Out of the last twelve times the ACC has had a representative in the Orange Bowl it has had one of the three best traveling teams (Clemson, FSU or VT) eight times.

Yeah, I don't think it's been the ACC representative that has been the problem in recent years. Consider the opponents:

2006 #3 Penn State 26 #22 Florida St 23
2007 #6 Louisville 24 #14 Wake Forest 13
2008 #8 Kansas 24 #3 Va Tech 21
2009 #19 Va Tech 20 #12 Cincinnati 7
2010 #10 Iowa 24 #9 Georgia Tech 14
2011 #4 Stanford 40 #13 Va Tech 12
[size=large]2012 #23 W Virginia 70 #15 Clemson 33 [/size]
2013 #12 Florida St 31 #15 N Illinois 10
2014 #12 Clemson 40 #7 Ohio State 35

Basically only 3 years when BOTH teams travel well.
(3.5 if you give Ga Tech partial credit)

The only thing I can figure is lumber is trying to perpetuate the myth that NC State is one of the top travelers in the conference despite that myth being dispelled over and over. NC State might travel in the Triangle, but that's about it.

When is Clemson leaving to take over the SEC?

Oh that's right, no interest from the SEC.

Totally unrelated to the conversation, but whatever.

BTW, we might not be leaving to take over the SEC, but we own NC State. I would suggest before you start talking smack you become a little more competitive. If you start this year and win until you even the series then you can start talking smack in 2039. Until then know your role, which is evidently being calling Clemson "Daddy".

(07-24-2014 09:56 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Seven of 18 Division Champions have been small private schools or small public schools. That's part of the risk the OB takes with the ACC. These smaller schools are one half to one third the size of FSU - they are one third to one fourth the size of an average B10 school.

Here's the thing: the ACC has 6 private schools*:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt*, Duke, Wake, Miami
* depending on who you ask
6/14 = 43% private, 57% public

So right away we see that the public schools win most of the football division championships:
7/18 = 39% private, 61% public

Also note that one of those privates - Miami - would have no problem selling Orange Bowl tickets, so really we can say the Orange Bowl only has to worry about 5 schools ability to travel. If one of those should somehow win the ACC one year, I'm sure their fans would make the trip to Miami - knowing they may not get there again any time soon!

(07-23-2014 11:52 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  If someone figures out the point of this thread, please let me know.

PS- thanks for the crucial update on the "free" seafood.

To make Miami look bad by a FSU fan. Imagine that!

(07-25-2014 05:22 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 09:56 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Seven of 18 Division Champions have been small private schools or small public schools. That's part of the risk the OB takes with the ACC. These smaller schools are one half to one third the size of FSU - they are one third to one fourth the size of an average B10 school.

Here's the thing: the ACC has 6 private schools*:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt*, Duke, Wake, Miami
* depending on who you ask
6/14 = 43% private, 57% public

So right away we see that the public schools win most of the football division championships:
7/18 = 39% private, 61% public

Also note that one of those privates - Miami - would have no problem selling Orange Bowl tickets, so really we can say the Orange Bowl only has to worry about 5 schools ability to travel. If one of those should somehow win the ACC one year, I'm sure their fans would make the trip to Miami - knowing they may not get there again any time soon!

Very Interesting indeed.........
FLossY out...

(07-25-2014 05:22 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 09:56 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Seven of 18 Division Champions have been small private schools or small public schools. That's part of the risk the OB takes with the ACC. These smaller schools are one half to one third the size of FSU - they are one third to one fourth the size of an average B10 school.

Here's the thing: the ACC has 6 private schools*:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt*, Duke, Wake, Miami
* depending on who you ask
6/14 = 43% private, 57% public

So right away we see that the public schools win most of the football division championships:
7/18 = 39% private, 61% public

No, PITT is not a private university and anyone who says otherwise does not know what he or she is talking about.

The University of Pittsburgh was a private university up through the late 1960s but has been public for nearly a half century.

Where I think the confusion lies is in the concept of being a state related university rather than a state university. Pennsylvania's state universities are all smaller schools like Indiana University of Pennsylvania, Edinboro University of Pennsylvania, Clarion University of Pennsylvania, etc. Schools like Pitt, Penn State, Temple, and Lincoln are all state related universities. That means that while they receive some assistance from the state of Pennsylvania they are not run by the Commonwealth like the aforementioned universities are.

That allows schools like PITT and Penn State in particular to remain very competitive with the top universities in the region rather than having to allow students that would not otherwise belong on campus to come to the schools.

The downside to being a state related university is you don't receive nearly the aid that say the University of Nebraska gets from the state of Nebraska or University of South Carolina gets from it's state. That means that costs for in-state students are not nearly as favorable as they are for students who attend true state schools. I believe that I read a few weeks ago PITT and Penn State or near the top of the list for most expensive public universities in the country and unfortunately that does not surprise me one bit.

H2P!

BTW, if Jimbo Fisher says Jameis Winston is a nice kid that's good enough for me. What does Fisher have to gain by lying about Winston's character?

Okay, other than everything. What else does he have to gain? Ha, I didn't think so.