(07-24-2014 02:20 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:14 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

Deal wasn't reached until the Big East was called the "former Big East". The name wasn't out for another 3 weeks but the plan for the teams and all of that was already in place and ESPN had knowledge of everything that was happening to the conference by the time that the TV deal was signed. So no, you are once again wrong. Sorry bud.

I just want to point out that what Lance is saying here is right. The television money paid out to the AAC teams this season for football were from the old Big East deal, not the AAC deal. That does not start until this upcoming season. The basketball deal started this past season though.

Using the words "was/is" indicates that what he was trying to say was that the AAC got lucky by signing a new TV contract on the coattails of the OBE, and that's not true. Though last season was the old numbers, the new TV deal was signed sealed and delivered with full knowledge of what was happening, who was joining, and who was leaving (you already know that but I was reiterating it for the Akron guy)

I think if he meant what you were saying - which would be logical - he would've explicitly said that, but I don't give him too much credit considering the argument he's trying to have.

(07-23-2014 10:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Would we better off if the fat were trimmed?

Yes... If the AAC and MWC are the only two G5 conferences left, we could become almost power conferences. We would likely get BYU and Army as well. The P5 would have to play us more often, which means there would be a higher demand for our product on the field and on TV. Therefore, because of the increase in P5 opponents, our next TV contract would skyrocket while the other G3 become irrelevant….

(07-24-2014 02:45 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Would we better off if the fat were trimmed?

Yes... If the AAC and MWC are the only two G5 conferences left, we could become almost power conferences. We would likely get BYU and Army as well. The P5 would have to play us more often, which means there would be a higher demand for our product on the field and on TV. Therefore, because of the increase in P5 opponents, our next TV contract would skyrocket while the other G3 become irrelevant….

And this is why members of the other three conferences come in here and act up... The entire premise of the thread is not "How do we get popular/valuable enough to join the B1G/SEC/.... No the entire premise is "How much better would it be if the other three conferences were wiped out so that we would be an "almost power" conference..

I don't see this kind of talk from the fans of the Mountain West: the conference you almost always cast as your bride to be in this G2 relationship. It's only some people among the AAC fan base who feel jilted because they were either in the BCS or thought they were joining a BCS conference that want to burn down the world rather than get up, dust themselves off, and climb back up.

Note: This is not a slap at all AAC fans, just the ones who are constantly trying to run down other conferences. I rooted hard for UConn during the NCAA hoops tournament and rooted for UCF against Baylor....

(07-23-2014 07:30 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 05:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  MAC's average attendance in the majority of their schools is the size of Dowdy Ficklen's student section. And one of your school's average football attendance would have many AAC teams in tears if it was their BASKETBALL attendance.

Go away dude. Your programs aren't on a level for you to be jibbah jabbahrin'

24,256- Houston (but in their defense, Houston is a tiny college town)
22,473- Temple (Philly- another small college town)
19,893- Tulsa
19,747- Tulane
18,725- SMU (Dallas- a tiny village in the middle of nowhere)

a whole other level right there. Impressive.

Ok MAC Troll there is this thing called context. There are plenty of reasons our numbers were down in 2013 that I won't waste anyone’s time explaining.

That said the latter years under Keenum were sellouts and some might say skew our real potential. I say take numbers from Briles first year through 2013 and average them out.

Also note that until last year (where we spent most of the time in Reliant the Texans stadium now called NRG) our capacity was 32k.

I think those numbers would fairly represent what our recent average attendance was.

(07-24-2014 03:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 02:45 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Would we better off if the fat were trimmed?

Yes... If the AAC and MWC are the only two G5 conferences left, we could become almost power conferences. We would likely get BYU and Army as well. The P5 would have to play us more often, which means there would be a higher demand for our product on the field and on TV. Therefore, because of the increase in P5 opponents, our next TV contract would skyrocket while the other G3 become irrelevant….

And this is why members of the other three conferences come in here and act up... The entire premise of the thread is not "How do we get popular/valuable enough to join the B1G/SEC/.... No the entire premise is "How much better would it be if the other three conferences were wiped out so that we would be an "almost power" conference..

I don't see this kind of talk from the fans of the Mountain West: the conference you almost always cast as your bride to be in this G2 relationship. It's only some people among the AAC fan base who feel jilted because they were either in the BCS or thought they were joining a BCS conference that want to burn down the world rather than get up, dust themselves off, and climb back up.

Note: This is not a slap at all AAC fans, just the ones who are constantly trying to run down other conferences. I rooted hard for UConn during the NCAA hoops tournament and rooted for UCF against Baylor....

...and you (and others) are allowed this privilege because we have the most tolerant Mods on any of the boards. Maybe you’ve forgotten that certain schools thought that they were joining the Big East with the C7, Louisville, Boise St, SDSU, and making $$$. Instead, they got screwed—but were still committed to joining an unstable, unknown, and underpaid conference. Moreover, we are the only G5 conference that has former BCS members. With that said... if it takes dropping the MAC value menu along with the other two side orders so that this conference can become “almost a power conference” and make more $$$, I'm 100% for that happening….

Btw... If you do a search on some of my old post Bull_In_Exile, you would discover that I advocated the inclusion of Buffalo into this conference despite the objections of many....

(07-24-2014 03:55 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 03:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 02:45 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Would we better off if the fat were trimmed?

Yes... If the AAC and MWC are the only two G5 conferences left, we could become almost power conferences. We would likely get BYU and Army as well. The P5 would have to play us more often, which means there would be a higher demand for our product on the field and on TV. Therefore, because of the increase in P5 opponents, our next TV contract would skyrocket while the other G3 become irrelevant….

And this is why members of the other three conferences come in here and act up... The entire premise of the thread is not "How do we get popular/valuable enough to join the B1G/SEC/.... No the entire premise is "How much better would it be if the other three conferences were wiped out so that we would be an "almost power" conference..

I don't see this kind of talk from the fans of the Mountain West: the conference you almost always cast as your bride to be in this G2 relationship. It's only some people among the AAC fan base who feel jilted because they were either in the BCS or thought they were joining a BCS conference that want to burn down the world rather than get up, dust themselves off, and climb back up.

Note: This is not a slap at all AAC fans, just the ones who are constantly trying to run down other conferences. I rooted hard for UConn during the NCAA hoops tournament and rooted for UCF against Baylor....

...and you (and others) are allowed this privilege because we have the most tolerant Mods on any of the boards.

And have I abused it? Have I been abusive, dismissive, or rude?

Quote:Maybe you’ve forgotten that certain schools thought that they were joining the Big East with the C7, Louisville, Boise St, SDSU, and making $$$. Instead, they got screwed—but were still committed to joining an unstable, unknown, and underpaid conference.

Ummm did I not say "It's only some people among the AAC fan base who feel jilted because they were either in the BCS or thought they were joining a BCS conference"... The seems to indicate I have not forgotten... It also acknowledges that Im not painting all AAC fans with a broad brush.

I get it, you got screwed, and I have never denied that. What I said was that you're anger at the AQ conferences has turned some people into the kind that just wants to snipe at the other G5 conferences.

Quote:Moreover, we are the only G5 conference that has former BCS members.

Again I saeem to have said "they were either in the BCS (Cincy / UConn/ ...) or thought they were joining a BCS conference (UCF / Houston / ECU / ....).

Quote:With that said... if it takes dropping the MAC value menu along with the other two side orders so that this conference can become “almost a power conference” and make more $$$, I'm 100% for that happening….

And that attitude is a big part of the reason the Big East fell apart in the first place. They were complacent with who they were and oh so sure they were better than the ACC and the Mountain West.

If I were a fan in the AAC and was that sure my conference was so much better then the MAC/Belt/CUSA then I would spend more time asking why cant our conference leadership work to show that and less time pissing and moaning that the NCAA won't make three of the five conferences vanish.

Many of the AAC fans converse about how to elevate themselves day in and day out. Even when they end up commenting on other boards they are there to be constructive. Then there are the trolls (yes we all have them) who run over to other boards to try and run other people down and the people here who think the trick to "sneaking in" is to get rid of three conference whom they deem inferior.

If you're pissed at how the G5 treated you and you want to treat other conferences the same way what does that make you?

I saw a comment about UB here so I came in. My comment did not disparage any other team just added my perceptions of where Buffalo is going. I don't think that your mods needed to manage any superhuman measure of restraint to let my behavior here stand.

(07-24-2014 03:55 PM)Underdog Wrote:  Btw... If you do a search on some of my old post Bull_In_Exile, you would discover that I advocated the inclusion of Buffalo into this conference despite the objections of many....

Hey I hope Buffalo ends up in the AAC at some point. The geography is great for our alumni base as (outside of WNY) it sits mostly between DC and Boston on the east coast. A plurality of our undergrads are now coming from the NYC metro.

I was merely making an observation about the premise of the post...

I think the AAC has the exclusive right to piss and moan about the new system, as the AAC is the ONLY conference that did not get a marked raise, and many schools actually LOST money.

Every G4 conference gets a substantial raise, as does every "P5" conference. The AAC (i.e, old Big East) gets relegated to second-class status.

Of all the reasons to be upset, the AAC has #1 priority.

My $.02

@ Bull_In_Exile

You’re the one who posted, "And this is why members of the other three conferences come in here and act up..." not me!

Nevertheless, I want the American to become what its name symbolizes—the best (not the best of CUSA). If this means that the MAC, CUSA, and SBC become casualties of war, then so be it (I know this seems harsh). Unfortunately for Buffalo, it’s stuck in a conference that’s content with being mediocre—that’s why I have no problem with the MAC (along with CUSA and the SBC) being 6 feet under if it will put the American that much higher…..

(07-24-2014 04:27 PM)Underdog Wrote:  @ Bull_In_Exile

You’re the one who posted, "And this is why members of the other three conferences come in here and act up..." not me!

Which implies what... That the reason some folks come over here and misbehave is because a segment of the AAC fan base is trying to treat them like the AQ schools have treated you.

Quote:Nevertheless, I want the American to become what its name symbolizes—the best (not the best of CUSA). If this means that the MAC, CUSA, and SBC become casualties of war, then so be it (I know this seems harsh).

I can easily see a scenario where the lack of 5 "non pwer conferences" hastens the separation of the P5...

Quote:Unfortunately for Buffalo, it’s stuck in a conference that’s content with being mediocre—that’s why I have no problem with the MAC (along with CUSA and the SBC) being 6 feet under if it will put the American that much higher…..

But it wont... The AAC will get no better just because the MAC/Belt/CUSA are gone.. Any 1 team that does benefit will get slurped up by the P5 and the Temples, ECUs, and Tulanes of the world will fall on the ash heap you're preparing for the MAC.

See you in the FCS...

Regards,

(07-24-2014 01:38 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:14 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:08 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 12:53 PM)lance99 Wrote:  The only reason you have more money is because the settlement you got from the Big East.

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Not true.
The AAC has earned more basketball units than any of the other G5
The AAC has a higher paying tv contract than any G5 other than the MWC which is about the same.
The AAC bowls pay more in total than any other G5 bowls

NCAA credits/ Bowl money for last season i do not believe have not been paid out yet. Therefore cannot be counted. The television money was/ is based on the old Big East deal, not the AAC.

Deal wasn't reached until the Big East was called the "former Big East". The name wasn't out for another 3 weeks but the plan for the teams and all of that was already in place and ESPN had knowledge of everything that was happening to the conference by the time that the TV deal was signed. So no, you are once again wrong. Sorry bud.

And just google and look up each individual AAC athletic budget and compare it to the MAC.

The conference is worth more, wins more, has more to offer, and is better. And you are wrong. Go away.

More to offer based on one year of existence and going by the threads started on this site, schools want out of the conference!? Spare me on the better conference comment.

Edit: BTW, the MAC/ C-USA/ Belt is not going anywhere.

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if tater tot manages to get his team up and beat marshall you will have made me a zip fan. until then, gtfo

(07-24-2014 04:07 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 03:55 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 03:11 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 02:45 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Would we better off if the fat were trimmed?

Yes... If the AAC and MWC are the only two G5 conferences left, we could become almost power conferences. We would likely get BYU and Army as well. The P5 would have to play us more often, which means there would be a higher demand for our product on the field and on TV. Therefore, because of the increase in P5 opponents, our next TV contract would skyrocket while the other G3 become irrelevant….

And this is why members of the other three conferences come in here and act up... The entire premise of the thread is not "How do we get popular/valuable enough to join the B1G/SEC/.... No the entire premise is "How much better would it be if the other three conferences were wiped out so that we would be an "almost power" conference..

I don't see this kind of talk from the fans of the Mountain West: the conference you almost always cast as your bride to be in this G2 relationship. It's only some people among the AAC fan base who feel jilted because they were either in the BCS or thought they were joining a BCS conference that want to burn down the world rather than get up, dust themselves off, and climb back up.

Note: This is not a slap at all AAC fans, just the ones who are constantly trying to run down other conferences. I rooted hard for UConn during the NCAA hoops tournament and rooted for UCF against Baylor....

...and you (and others) are allowed this privilege because we have the most tolerant Mods on any of the boards.

And have I abused it? Have I been abusive, dismissive, or rude?

Quote:Maybe you’ve forgotten that certain schools thought that they were joining the Big East with the C7, Louisville, Boise St, SDSU, and making $$$. Instead, they got screwed—but were still committed to joining an unstable, unknown, and underpaid conference.

Ummm did I not say "It's only some people among the AAC fan base who feel jilted because they were either in the BCS or thought they were joining a BCS conference"... The seems to indicate I have not forgotten... It also acknowledges that Im not painting all AAC fans with a broad brush.

I get it, you got screwed, and I have never denied that. What I said was that you're anger at the AQ conferences has turned some people into the kind that just wants to snipe at the other G5 conferences.

Quote:Moreover, we are the only G5 conference that has former BCS members.

Again I saeem to have said "they were either in the BCS (Cincy / UConn/ ...) or thought they were joining a BCS conference (UCF / Houston / ECU / ....).

Quote:With that said... if it takes dropping the MAC value menu along with the other two side orders so that this conference can become “almost a power conference” and make more $$$, I'm 100% for that happening….

And that attitude is a big part of the reason the Big East fell apart in the first place. They were complacent with who they were and oh so sure they were better than the ACC and the Mountain West.

If I were a fan in the AAC and was that sure my conference was so much better then the MAC/Belt/CUSA then I would spend more time asking why cant our conference leadership work to show that and less time pissing and moaning that the NCAA won't make three of the five conferences vanish.

Many of the AAC fans converse about how to elevate themselves day in and day out. Even when they end up commenting on other boards they are there to be constructive. Then there are the trolls (yes we all have them) who run over to other boards to try and run other people down and the people here who think the trick to "sneaking in" is to get rid of three conference whom they deem inferior.

If you're pissed at how the G5 treated you and you want to treat other conferences the same way what does that make you?

I saw a comment about UB here so I came in. My comment did not disparage any other team just added my perceptions of where Buffalo is going. I don't think that your mods needed to manage any superhuman measure of restraint to let my behavior here stand.

Could Have not said it better myself! :)

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In the short term, sure. In the long term, a couple schools would be absorbed and the rest would be dropped to the lower league imo.

(07-24-2014 03:33 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 07:30 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 05:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  MAC's average attendance in the majority of their schools is the size of Dowdy Ficklen's student section. And one of your school's average football attendance would have many AAC teams in tears if it was their BASKETBALL attendance.

Go away dude. Your programs aren't on a level for you to be jibbah jabbahrin'

24,256- Houston (but in their defense, Houston is a tiny college town)
22,473- Temple (Philly- another small college town)
19,893- Tulsa
19,747- Tulane
18,725- SMU (Dallas- a tiny village in the middle of nowhere)

a whole other level right there. Impressive.

Ok MAC Troll there is this thing called context. There are plenty of reasons our numbers were down in 2013 that I won't waste anyone’s time explaining.

That said the latter years under Keenum were sellouts and some might say skew our real potential. I say take numbers from Briles first year through 2013 and average them out.

Also note that until last year (where we spent most of the time in Reliant the Texans stadium now called NRG) our capacity was 32k.

I think those numbers would fairly represent what our recent average attendance was.

Oh, oh, oh... so your numbers need *context*, but the MAC's don't. Oh, ok. my bad. I love hearing about context for a school with 32K undergrads in a county with a population of 4.3 million putting up similar numbers to a school with 20K in a county with a population of 0.065 million. Turns out it all makes since with a little context.

(07-24-2014 08:25 PM)DMT Wrote:  In the short term, sure. In the long term, a couple schools would be absorbed and the rest would be dropped to the lower league imo.

Exactly... You would see the P5 all stock up to 12/14 and kick the rest to the curb... Looking around that means maybe three or four teams move up. If you're in a state with a half dozen P5 teams *cough* Texas *cough* than this is not really a good thing for you. You'll 6-8 or 9 AAC team dropped along with the balance of the MAC/Belt/CUSA and MWC..

The best hope for the Tulane's, Temples, and perhaps even the SMU's of the world is 4 or five healthy conferences outside of the P5 who can maintain full cost of tuition and the other benefits being put forth by the more financially endowed conferences.

(07-24-2014 08:38 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 03:33 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 07:30 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 05:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  MAC's average attendance in the majority of their schools is the size of Dowdy Ficklen's student section. And one of your school's average football attendance would have many AAC teams in tears if it was their BASKETBALL attendance.

Go away dude. Your programs aren't on a level for you to be jibbah jabbahrin'

24,256- Houston (but in their defense, Houston is a tiny college town)
22,473- Temple (Philly- another small college town)
19,893- Tulsa
19,747- Tulane
18,725- SMU (Dallas- a tiny village in the middle of nowhere)

a whole other level right there. Impressive.

Ok MAC Troll there is this thing called context. There are plenty of reasons our numbers were down in 2013 that I won't waste anyone’s time explaining.

That said the latter years under Keenum were sellouts and some might say skew our real potential. I say take numbers from Briles first year through 2013 and average them out.

Also note that until last year (where we spent most of the time in Reliant the Texans stadium now called NRG) our capacity was 32k.

I think those numbers would fairly represent what our recent average attendance was.

Oh, oh, oh... so your numbers need *context*, but the MAC's don't. Oh, ok. my bad. I love hearing about context for a school with 32K undergrads in a county with a population of 4.3 million putting up similar numbers to a school with 20K in a county with a population of 0.065 million. Turns out it all makes since with a little context.

Well they didn't have a stadium for one...so that's always a toughy

(07-24-2014 08:38 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Oh, oh, oh... so your numbers need *context*, but the MAC's don't. Oh, ok. my bad. I love hearing about context for a school with 32K undergrads in a county with a population of 4.3 million putting up similar numbers to a school with 20K in a county with a population of 0.065 million. Turns out it all makes since with a little context.

I wasn't the one slamming the MAC. Just pointing out the inaccuracies of such a small sample set.

Now back to the original topic of this thread........

Let me tell you why this will never happen. There are 128 FBS schools. If we are talking all sports, you are proposing that 35 schools drop down!?

That is 27%

For starters, NO conference would go for that right now. Even if they did it would be congressional hearings and they would block the NCAA from doing that(way too many congressional districts not to look the other way)

Second, A short history lesson: They tried to put the MAC into that position once upon a time, the MAC stood up to them and got reinstated the next year. There is a track record set and the NCAA don't want to go down that road again!

Third, there is no way a school like Akron would drop down because of Soccer. That would be a death sentence. Miami would not because of Hockey. Do you think for one second that Rice would do that to their Baseball Program? I don't think so!

Forth, lets assume for a moment that the conferences just disband and not drop down. One of two things would happen: The WAC reforms for football or one Superconference is created and would become a P5 by default based on sheer numbers(probably around 24-30 schools).

What is being proposed is worst than a P5 breakaway! No conference is in the position like the IVY when it wanted to move down.

(07-23-2014 10:37 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 08:35 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  there are 9 MAC schools within 150 miles of either Ohio State or U Michigan. There is no such thing as a small college town in OH or MI with a fan base loyal to the local team. The reach and scope of their bandwagon fans is as bad, or maybe worse, than a metro area with a pro team. Its hard out here for a pimp.

Oh, please! Come on down here to the south, we have 7 FBS schools here in NC (4 ACC teams) and South Carolina, VT, ODU, Clemson, GT, UGA, UVA within driving distance.

NCSU 77 miles
UNC 110 miles

Oh, please! You're comparing NCST & UNC to 0$U, UM, & ND. Not even comparable.

Our board has been overrun