(07-26-2014 09:23 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  There are 6 Contract Bowls that will rotate yearly to host the College National Shampionship Semi-Finals and the Championship game. Those bowls not selected to Host any of those games will be considered Contract Bowls and thus not under the control of the Selection Committee. This means they do not need to give access to a G5 team. There is a provision for 1 G5 team in an available slot. I was wrong in the count as there will be 5 P5 slots available.

There will not be "5 P5 slots available". Those 5 slots WILL be occupied by P5 teams as part of their contracts with those bowls. The bowls decided they wanted to sign the contracts with the P5 conferences.

In fact, the G5 owes the P5 a big debt of thanks for twisting the arms of these bowls to accept 1 G5 team. Originally, the bowls had absolutely no interest in doing that but the P5 leaned on them to accept it.

Exactly...it became Market Driven and if you remember the G5 tied to get it own Bowl-(in Houston)...it fell flat...

There seems to be a massive welfare-socialist-entitlement component to some of the whinings of G5 fans. I'm a fan of a G5 school and don't get that at all.

If G5 schools want more money and exposure, we need to build our brands so that those with the money and exposure to give will feel it worth their while. We don't have a right to piggy-back on the P5.

(07-27-2014 08:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 09:23 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  There are 6 Contract Bowls that will rotate yearly to host the College National Shampionship Semi-Finals and the Championship game. Those bowls not selected to Host any of those games will be considered Contract Bowls and thus not under the control of the Selection Committee. This means they do not need to give access to a G5 team. There is a provision for 1 G5 team in an available slot. I was wrong in the count as there will be 5 P5 slots available.

There will not be "5 P5 slots available". Those 5 slots WILL be occupied by P5 teams as part of their contracts with those bowls. The bowls decided they wanted to sign the contracts with the P5 conferences.

In fact, the G5 owes the P5 a big debt of thanks for twisting the arms of these bowls to accept 1 G5 team. Originally, the bowls had absolutely no interest in doing that but the P5 leaned on them to accept it.

Exactly...it became Market Driven and if you remember the G5 tied to get it own Bowl-(in Houston)...it fell flat...

There seems to be a massive welfare-socialist-entitlement component to some of the whinings of G5 fans. I'm a fan of a G5 school and don't get that at all.

If G5 schools want more money and exposure, we need to build our brands so that those with the money and exposure to give will feel it worth their while. We don't have a right to piggy-back on the P5.

But the catch is the P5 built their programs when there were no restrictions imposed by other schools. For example, Tulsa went to Orange and Sugar Bowls. Catholic University went to the Orange Bowl in 1938 I think. Back then, of course, bowls selected teams based on their on the field performance and not their performance at Wells Fargo Bank or Bank of America.

(07-27-2014 08:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 09:23 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  There are 6 Contract Bowls that will rotate yearly to host the College National Shampionship Semi-Finals and the Championship game. Those bowls not selected to Host any of those games will be considered Contract Bowls and thus not under the control of the Selection Committee. This means they do not need to give access to a G5 team. There is a provision for 1 G5 team in an available slot. I was wrong in the count as there will be 5 P5 slots available.

There will not be "5 P5 slots available". Those 5 slots WILL be occupied by P5 teams as part of their contracts with those bowls. The bowls decided they wanted to sign the contracts with the P5 conferences.

In fact, the G5 owes the P5 a big debt of thanks for twisting the arms of these bowls to accept 1 G5 team. Originally, the bowls had absolutely no interest in doing that but the P5 leaned on them to accept it.

Exactly...it became Market Driven and if you remember the G5 tied to get it own Bowl-(in Houston)...it fell flat...

There seems to be a massive welfare-socialist-entitlement component to some of the whinings of G5 fans. I'm a fan of a G5 school and don't get that at all.

If G5 schools want more money and exposure, we need to build our brands so that those with the money and exposure to give will feel it worth their while. We don't have a right to piggy-back on the P5.

Jim Delany warned the G5 if they kept pushing that the High Revenue Leagues would/could go to this current market base system...the Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl in a way is no different for contract purposes than the Russell Athletic Bowl...

(07-27-2014 09:29 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 09:23 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  There are 6 Contract Bowls that will rotate yearly to host the College National Shampionship Semi-Finals and the Championship game. Those bowls not selected to Host any of those games will be considered Contract Bowls and thus not under the control of the Selection Committee. This means they do not need to give access to a G5 team. There is a provision for 1 G5 team in an available slot. I was wrong in the count as there will be 5 P5 slots available.

There will not be "5 P5 slots available". Those 5 slots WILL be occupied by P5 teams as part of their contracts with those bowls. The bowls decided they wanted to sign the contracts with the P5 conferences.

In fact, the G5 owes the P5 a big debt of thanks for twisting the arms of these bowls to accept 1 G5 team. Originally, the bowls had absolutely no interest in doing that but the P5 leaned on them to accept it.

Exactly...it became Market Driven and if you remember the G5 tied to get it own Bowl-(in Houston)...it fell flat...

There seems to be a massive welfare-socialist-entitlement component to some of the whinings of G5 fans. I'm a fan of a G5 school and don't get that at all.

If G5 schools want more money and exposure, we need to build our brands so that those with the money and exposure to give will feel it worth their while. We don't have a right to piggy-back on the P5.

Jim Delany warned the G5 if they kept pushing that the High Revenue Leagues would/could go to this current market base system...the Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl in a way is no different for contract purposes than the Russell Athletic Bowl...

Bolded statement is about a good a statement one could make in describing how a monopoly works.

So the Orange and Sugar shouldn't be allowed to engage in free commerce with clients of their choosing?

(07-27-2014 09:49 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  So the Orange and Sugar shouldn't be allowed to engage in free commerce with clients of their choosing?

If that the case then the Boca Raton Bowl should be forced to take a "Sunbelt School" over a C-USA/AAC school using that logic by Tallgrass.

Every school in the FBS is eligible for the Playoffs and the Non Playoff Bowls except for the 3 High Revenue Access Bowl/CFP have Market Driven Tie Ins...

(07-27-2014 09:24 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 09:23 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  There are 6 Contract Bowls that will rotate yearly to host the College National Shampionship Semi-Finals and the Championship game. Those bowls not selected to Host any of those games will be considered Contract Bowls and thus not under the control of the Selection Committee. This means they do not need to give access to a G5 team. There is a provision for 1 G5 team in an available slot. I was wrong in the count as there will be 5 P5 slots available.

There will not be "5 P5 slots available". Those 5 slots WILL be occupied by P5 teams as part of their contracts with those bowls. The bowls decided they wanted to sign the contracts with the P5 conferences.

In fact, the G5 owes the P5 a big debt of thanks for twisting the arms of these bowls to accept 1 G5 team. Originally, the bowls had absolutely no interest in doing that but the P5 leaned on them to accept it.

Exactly...it became Market Driven and if you remember the G5 tied to get it own Bowl-(in Houston)...it fell flat...

There seems to be a massive welfare-socialist-entitlement component to some of the whinings of G5 fans. I'm a fan of a G5 school and don't get that at all.

If G5 schools want more money and exposure, we need to build our brands so that those with the money and exposure to give will feel it worth their while. We don't have a right to piggy-back on the P5.

But the catch is the P5 built their programs when there were no restrictions imposed by other schools. For example, Tulsa went to Orange and Sugar Bowls. Catholic University went to the Orange Bowl in 1938 I think. Back then, of course, bowls selected teams based on their on the field performance and not their performance at Wells Fargo Bank or Bank of America.

Long ago, major bowls decided to have tie-ins with specific conferences. Not sure what the "antitrust" implications of that are?

(07-27-2014 09:24 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 09:23 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  There are 6 Contract Bowls that will rotate yearly to host the College National Shampionship Semi-Finals and the Championship game. Those bowls not selected to Host any of those games will be considered Contract Bowls and thus not under the control of the Selection Committee. This means they do not need to give access to a G5 team. There is a provision for 1 G5 team in an available slot. I was wrong in the count as there will be 5 P5 slots available.

There will not be "5 P5 slots available". Those 5 slots WILL be occupied by P5 teams as part of their contracts with those bowls. The bowls decided they wanted to sign the contracts with the P5 conferences.

In fact, the G5 owes the P5 a big debt of thanks for twisting the arms of these bowls to accept 1 G5 team. Originally, the bowls had absolutely no interest in doing that but the P5 leaned on them to accept it.

Exactly...it became Market Driven and if you remember the G5 tied to get it own Bowl-(in Houston)...it fell flat...

There seems to be a massive welfare-socialist-entitlement component to some of the whinings of G5 fans. I'm a fan of a G5 school and don't get that at all.

If G5 schools want more money and exposure, we need to build our brands so that those with the money and exposure to give will feel it worth their while. We don't have a right to piggy-back on the P5.

But the catch is the P5 built their programs when there were no restrictions imposed by other schools. For example, Tulsa went to Orange and Sugar Bowls. Catholic University went to the Orange Bowl in 1938 I think. Back then, of course, bowls selected teams based on their on the field performance and not their performance at Wells Fargo Bank or Bank of America.

A few counterpoints.

1. The BCS/CFP probably gave/gives the non-AQ/G5 more than they'd get with the old bowl system. It's very doubtful that several of the non-AQs who made it to the big money games would have if not for the rules in place forcing the bowls to take them.

2. We've seen the set-up, help some schools rise. Boise State has zero natural advantages over anyone, but is a bigger name in the public eye than half the P5. Meanwhile, the Fiesta Bowl in the BCS system actually choose TCU vs. Boise State when it could have taken a power 5 team in at least one spot.

Don't get me wrong, there are set-ups that could help more programs rise, but I don't think there is anything inherently unfair in the current set-up.