(07-23-2014 04:58 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You clearly don't understand how this system works.

When the RB hosts the semi final it can be anyone because it's the playoff and not the Rose Bowl. But when it's the actual Rose Bowl Game the other years there will never be a G5 team in it or anyone but the B1G and PAC teams.

Ahem. I do know and yes the name is still the "ROSE BOWL". It will be televised and advertised as the "ROSE BOWL hosting the College National Chamionship Playoffs". So please spare me your semantics.

If it makes you feel better you can call it whatever you like.

Tallgrass is making strong validated points. They are just not agreed upon by many P5 fans because to them the G5 are what they are and could never be on the same level. Those fans would be correct with the way the current system is setup the G5 will not able to obtain the same caliber of programs but if they had an equal shot at the title then many teams in the G5 would be a legitimate threat and many of the upper G5 teams would be poised to move into a power role. This is why P5 push for autonomy is to separate and ensure less divided profit sharing. The G5 do not compete year in year out because they are not allowed too not because they are not able. Sorry P5 fans but if you said UCF could compete for a national championship they would be a far better program than probably at least half of the P5 and they are already better than the bottom third of the P5. Louisville fans should understand stand this because you were in a non AQ conference during the bcs era as well until the Big East called on you. Now look what given a fair chance has done for your program.

(07-24-2014 09:29 AM)Dawg87 Wrote:  Tallgrass is making strong validated points. They are just not agreed upon by many P5 fans because to them the G5 are what they are and could never be on the same level. Those fans would be correct with the way the current system is setup the G5 will not able to obtain the same caliber of programs but if they had an equal shot at the title then many teams in the G5 would be a legitimate threat and many of the upper G5 teams would be poised to move into a power role. This is why P5 push for autonomy is to separate and ensure less divided profit sharing. The G5 do not compete year in year out because they are not allowed too not because they are not able. Sorry P5 fans but if you said UCF could compete for a national championship they would be a far better program than probably at least half of the P5 and they are already better than the bottom third of the P5. Louisville fans should understand stand this because you were in a non AQ conference during the bcs era as well until the Big East called on you. Now look what given a fair chance has done for your program.

Louisville, Utah and TCU fans understand...that why for the life of me I couldn't understand why some now G5 ppl wanted the old BIG EAST to lose it spot...if anything it would have been better if the BIG EAST was still a Power League and the remaining 4 had the Access Slot...not the case now...you added schools that has had early on at least 8 years of recruiting at the old BCS Level.

(07-23-2014 01:23 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 08:58 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  It is most likely that the 4-team national playoff will be expanded to 8 teams. The Five NonBCS conferences must now organize themselves under one national umbrella and threaten a monopoly lawsuit when the move to 8-team playoff is made. NonBCS conferences must be ready to position themselves into an equitable (forget equal) position with BCS. Two strategies should be followed.

First, threaten a monopoly AND CIVIL RIGHTS lawsuit against BCS. ...

Second, a civil rights petition should also be made. ...

I think the G5 have to band together and have a unified organizational structure. If they don't hang together, they will surely hang seperately. However, expensive lawsuits just send money to the lawyers.

Here is what a "United G5 Superconference" could do:

1. Jointly negotiate TV rights (definately Tier 1 & game of the week, probably tier 2 national broadcasts)
2. Arrange post-season play (match top teams not in BCS in bowls: 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4, run a 16-team FCS-type playoff for the rest so every eligible team makes the post-season)
3. Force teams out that never should have moved to FBS (Idaho, UMass)
4. Realign olympic sports to regional conferences to reduce travel costs
5. Keep conferences from inviting teams to FBS that aren't ready (Buffalo)
   

In this way, the G5 can maximize their clout and their money. Sacrifice some autonomy, but gain a whole lot more.

We need a G5 mini-playoff for the access spot and be the first to show the rest of the nation how a real playoff is performed....

(07-24-2014 01:56 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 01:23 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 08:58 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  It is most likely that the 4-team national playoff will be expanded to 8 teams. The Five NonBCS conferences must now organize themselves under one national umbrella and threaten a monopoly lawsuit when the move to 8-team playoff is made. NonBCS conferences must be ready to position themselves into an equitable (forget equal) position with BCS. Two strategies should be followed.

First, threaten a monopoly AND CIVIL RIGHTS lawsuit against BCS. ...

Second, a civil rights petition should also be made. ...

I think the G5 have to band together and have a unified organizational structure. If they don't hang together, they will surely hang seperately. However, expensive lawsuits just send money to the lawyers.

Here is what a "United G5 Superconference" could do:

1. Jointly negotiate TV rights (definately Tier 1 & game of the week, probably tier 2 national broadcasts)
2. Arrange post-season play (match top teams not in BCS in bowls: 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4, run a 16-team FCS-type playoff for the rest so every eligible team makes the post-season)
3. Force teams out that never should have moved to FBS (Idaho, UMass)
4. Realign olympic sports to regional conferences to reduce travel costs
5. Keep conferences from inviting teams to FBS that aren't ready (Buffalo)
   

In this way, the G5 can maximize their clout and their money. Sacrifice some autonomy, but gain a whole lot more.

We need a G5 mini-playoff for the access spot and be the first to show the rest of the nation how a real playoff is performed....

WRONG!!!!

Not unless there's a P5 Playoff for any open spots. Or you're just emphasising the P5 Point. That the G5 Need only 1 slot. Which is entirely wrong. There needs to be "EQUAL" access for all.

...you do get that there is no such thing as AQ for the playoff right?

If no conference has guaranteed access to the playoff then everybody has equal access

(07-24-2014 04:02 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  ...you do get that there is no such thing as AQ for the playoff right?

If no conference has guaranteed access to the playoff then everybody has equal access

I know right...many on here just don't get it or don't want to get it...

No you guys just don't want to admit the BS.

When you have 5 conferences playing for 3 spots and the rest playing for 1 spot, well thats not "EQUAL ACCESS". I'm tired of your constant BS responces.

If you can't understand that giving access because of money and not earning the access on the field is wrong, then I hold little hope for your ability to understand simple concepts.

(07-24-2014 05:34 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  No you guys just don't want to admit the BS.

When you have 5 conferences playing for 3 spots and the rest playing for 1 spot, well thats not "EQUAL ACCESS". I'm tired of your constant BS responces.

If you can't understand that giving access because of money and not earning the access on the field is wrong, then I hold little hope for your ability to understand simple concepts.

I honestly have no idea what you are blithering about.

The PLAYOFF is open access to every team in FBS.

But maybe you are talking about the non-playoff Bowl games.

Here's a big secret so don't tell anyone: BOWL GAMES EXIST PURELY TO MAKE MONEY AND NOTHING ELSE.

Also, the P5 arent "competing" for their slots in the Contracts Bowls....thats why they are called CONTRACT bowls. Just like the G5 is not competing for their slot either. Its automatic.

I know these concepts are hard so let me know if I'm going too fast.

(07-24-2014 06:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 05:34 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  No you guys just don't want to admit the BS.

When you have 5 conferences playing for 3 spots and the rest playing for 1 spot, well thats not "EQUAL ACCESS". I'm tired of your constant BS responces.

If you can't understand that giving access because of money and not earning the access on the field is wrong, then I hold little hope for your ability to understand simple concepts.

I honestly have no idea what you are blithering about.

The PLAYOFF is open access to every team in FBS.

But maybe you are talking about the non-playoff Bowl games.

Here's a big secret so don't tell anyone: BOWL GAMES EXIST PURELY TO MAKE MONEY AND NOTHING ELSE.

Also, the P5 arent "competing" for their slots in the Contracts Bowls....thats why they are called CONTRACT bowls. Just like the G5 is not competing for their slot either. Its automatic.

I know these concepts are hard so let me know if I'm going too fast.

There are 6 Contract Bowls that will rotate yearly to host the College National Shampionship Semi-Finals and the Championship game. Those bowls not selected to Host any of those games will be considered Contract Bowls and thus not under the control of the Selection Committee. This means they do not need to give access to a G5 team. There is a provision for 1 G5 team in an available slot. I was wrong in the count as there will be 5 P5 slots available.

As for the Mythical National Championships. I was wrong as well. The G5 have absolutely no access. Your hand picked committee will argue strength of schedule and Power Conferences vs Gang of Five Conferecnes and in the end, no team outside of the P5 will sniff the Playoffs.

So Yes, I agree I was wrong on both counts. It's actually worse then I thought.

Since there is only 1 spot available to the G5 then you're wrong. They are competing for the one and only 1 spot.
http://www.nola.com/sugarbowl/index.ssf/...debut.html

Then demand that USF leave FBS and join FCS where you can play for a real national title in a real playoff.

(07-24-2014 06:35 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Then demand that USF leave FBS and join FCS where you can play for a real national title in a real playoff.

Why don't you demand that your team come play mine and show us how superior you are. I bet it never happens. Just like the rest of the P5 trying to avoid any team that can possibly harm their rep.

There will be a day when you so limit the kids allowed to play in your sand box that you'll finally realize, that no one cares about you any more.

OK, I'll leave you to wallow in self pity

D4 can't come quick enough.

(07-24-2014 06:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  OK, I'll leave you to wallow in self pity

D4 can't come quick enough.

It's not self pity. It's realizing that a 12-0 Marshall will be chosen over a 10-2 UCF/ECU/UC/USF. It's called stacking the deck. That committee of yours will use the reverse selection process on the G5 as it will use on the P5 to ensure the weakest apponent. Watch it will happen.

As for D4, It' won't come but I'm hoping you're right. Then will come so much more and perhaps the end to this garbage for a time.

(07-24-2014 07:06 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:56 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  OK, I'll leave you to wallow in self pity

D4 can't come quick enough.

It's not self pity. It's realizing that a 12-0 Marshall will be chosen over a 10-2 UCF/ECU/UC/USF. It's called stacking the deck. That committee of yours will use the reverse selection process on the G5 as it will use on the P5 to ensure the weakest apponent. Watch it will happen.

As for D4, It' won't come but I'm hoping you're right. Then will come so much more and perhaps the end to this garbage for a time.

My advice...root for someone to beat Marshall just once....

I do not think the CFP will go from 4 to 8, instead I think it will go to 6.. the five P5 Conf champs(this means BIG 12 would have to expand to 12 and hold a game) and top rated G5 school. However to get to this, will take some time! going form 4 to 8 is to much strain on the Bowls. (6 allows top two seeded team {determied by pools} to have bye... Peach & Cotton host first roundd match ups, then the winners make up the final four and can be in the CFP ROSE/Orange/Suger/Fiesta)

Some hurdels, how do the top 6 bowl games pay out bowl money? Also what Bowl games become Access bowls for teams ranked 6-10? ( Gator/Liberty/Sun/Las vegas??)

(07-24-2014 09:29 AM)Dawg87 Wrote:  Tallgrass is making strong validated points. They are just not agreed upon by many P5 fans because to them the G5 are what they are and could never be on the same level. Those fans would be correct with the way the current system is setup the G5 will not able to obtain the same caliber of programs but if they had an equal shot at the title then many teams in the G5 would be a legitimate threat

The G5 schools DO have an equal shot at the title. The four playoff slots are not affiliated with any conferences at all. All schools from the 10 FBS conferences and independents are equally eligible for them.

(07-24-2014 06:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  There are 6 Contract Bowls that will rotate yearly to host the College National Shampionship Semi-Finals and the Championship game. Those bowls not selected to Host any of those games will be considered Contract Bowls and thus not under the control of the Selection Committee. This means they do not need to give access to a G5 team. There is a provision for 1 G5 team in an available slot. I was wrong in the count as there will be 5 P5 slots available.

There will not be "5 P5 slots available". Those 5 slots WILL be occupied by P5 teams as part of their contracts with those bowls. The bowls decided they wanted to sign the contracts with the P5 conferences.

In fact, the G5 owes the P5 a big debt of thanks for twisting the arms of these bowls to accept 1 G5 team. Originally, the bowls had absolutely no interest in doing that but the P5 leaned on them to accept it.

(07-26-2014 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-24-2014 06:28 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  There are 6 Contract Bowls that will rotate yearly to host the College National Shampionship Semi-Finals and the Championship game. Those bowls not selected to Host any of those games will be considered Contract Bowls and thus not under the control of the Selection Committee. This means they do not need to give access to a G5 team. There is a provision for 1 G5 team in an available slot. I was wrong in the count as there will be 5 P5 slots available.

There will not be "5 P5 slots available". Those 5 slots WILL be occupied by P5 teams as part of their contracts with those bowls. The bowls decided they wanted to sign the contracts with the P5 conferences.

In fact, the G5 owes the P5 a big debt of thanks for twisting the arms of these bowls to accept 1 G5 team. Originally, the bowls had absolutely no interest in doing that but the P5 leaned on them to accept it.

Exactly...it became Market Driven and if you remember the G5 tied to get it own Bowl-(in Houston)...it fell flat...