Marv is 100% right about it being all bout what a school offers. The name change idea is a bit silly because it doesn't change the reality of the situation the school is in or anything about it.
At this point in time I think we are all agreed that ECU does not offer enough to any of the major conferences but it does offer more than most of the G5.
(07-20-2014 04:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: I never said that was the case but the fact is that there isn't a directional public school who is currently in the P5 and USF was basically left out of the P6 party. It is because of the school, not literally because there's a direction in the name. We'd be wise to not grasp at these straws because frankly it looks kind of ignorant or intentionally obtuse.
That fact is though, that public directional schools' academics are behind their in-state flagship, land grant and private school brothers who are in the P5. It's really not a hard concept to grasp considering the P5 academic (and hypocritical) snobbery.
So do you think that the reason that none are in the P5 is because of their names or is it something else, which is what I am stating.
FFS man how hard is it to understand what people really mean when they say "directional school"? It has nothing to do with the name itself it's about the mission and "type of school". It's also about the good ol' boy network and academic snobbery. Jeez.
The mission and type of school? Schools like Arizona State started out with the same mission as ECU. Once again I am telling you that I understand the supposed connotation of the directional name and the perception of mesaage board fans and academic snobs alike; however I am still awaiting one instance of where the name of a school has harmed it in conference expansion.
Because people forget that its the PRESIDENT and not the Athletic Director that makes the realignment decision.
University presidents are paid to be snobby and elitist because its their job to max their school's academic reputation.
Now you can cry scream and holler that an athletic conference has nothing to do with academics and that the B12, SEC or ACC should not hold ECU's name and academics against them....but they do and they will because a directional name conveys a small time, regional school and thats not the company they want to keep.
(This post was last modified: 07-20-2014 06:07 PM by 10thMountain.)
(07-20-2014 04:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: I never said that was the case but the fact is that there isn't a directional public school who is currently in the P5 and USF was basically left out of the P6 party. It is because of the school, not literally because there's a direction in the name. We'd be wise to not grasp at these straws because frankly it looks kind of ignorant or intentionally obtuse.
That fact is though, that public directional schools' academics are behind their in-state flagship, land grant and private school brothers who are in the P5. It's really not a hard concept to grasp considering the P5 academic (and hypocritical) snobbery.
So do you think that the reason that none are in the P5 is because of their names or is it something else, which is what I am stating.
FFS man how hard is it to understand what people really mean when they say "directional school"? It has nothing to do with the name itself it's about the mission and "type of school". It's also about the good ol' boy network and academic snobbery. Jeez.
The mission and type of school? Schools like Arizona State started out with the same mission as ECU. Once again I am telling you that I understand the supposed connotation of the directional name and the perception of mesaage board fans and academic snobs alike; however I am still awaiting one instance of where the name of a school has harmed it in conference expansion.
Because people forget that its the PRESIDENT and not the Athletic Director that makes the realignment decision.
University presidents are paid to be snobby and elitist because its their job to max their school's academic reputation.
Now you can cry scream and holler that an athletic conference has nothing to do with academics and that the B12, SEC or ACC should not hold ECU's name and academics against them....but they do and they will because a directional name conveys a small time, regional school and thats not the company they want to keep.
I am not going to holler or scream anything, but if you are correct in what you are saying which I have no doubt that you are; then why did those same snobby Presidents pick Louisville for the ACC over UConn? Isn't UConn the more respected academic school?
(This post was last modified: 07-20-2014 06:13 PM by PirateMarv.)
(07-20-2014 04:14 PM)john01992 Wrote: lmao now you have just proven yourself to be a general sh.ithead
you are entering a talking point that I have never mentioned once in this thread because you just got owned on this USC vs ECU thing.
you are just trying to pretend you were talking about something else instead after getting your butt kicked in the current argument.
nice deflection.
You having have been bashing in thread after thread and I for one am calling you on it. You are a sh1thead and I for one am sick of your sh1t. I have said from day one when theses stupid points are pushed that it doesn't matter what the name of your school is. It matters whether you can make money for your conference. You are nothing more than a wanttobe elitist piece of sh1t. Wanttobe is the operative phrase, because despite your trying; you are not.
no you are saying that I am stupid because while in the middle of argument X because of something I said during argument Y a couple of months ago.
You were essentially calling me stupid for arguing that water is wet because four months ago I said going to the beach sucks. Then never clarified why you were calling me stupid and made it seem that it wasn't because I think water is wet, but because the beach sucks.
Now I really don't care what you think, but I know what really happened is that you got pawned and are just trying to BS me in a sad attempt to save face.
I read a thread on the AAC board earlier this week where you were making some uncalled for shots. And then you did the same crap in this thread. You are just a douche. Btw, what difference does it make if a school has a direction in it's name? The people who support that school will support that school despite what a douchey elitist wannabe dirtbag thinks.
what you define as "uncalled shots" and "being a douche" I call legitimate talking points relevant to the conversation at hand.
And yet somehow blundergrass agrees with me on both points, so clearly my comments are not as "douchey and uncalled for" as you claim.
I don't agree with either one of your points, because I have never heard of a school being kept out of a top conference because of it's name.
If what you all believe is true, then wouldn't the B12 future expansion candidates be New Mexico or Colorado State or Nevada?
(07-20-2014 04:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: I never said that was the case but the fact is that there isn't a directional public school who is currently in the P5 and USF was basically left out of the P6 party. It is because of the school, not literally because there's a direction in the name. We'd be wise to not grasp at these straws because frankly it looks kind of ignorant or intentionally obtuse.
That fact is though, that public directional schools' academics are behind their in-state flagship, land grant and private school brothers who are in the P5. It's really not a hard concept to grasp considering the P5 academic (and hypocritical) snobbery.
So do you think that the reason that none are in the P5 is because of their names or is it something else, which is what I am stating.
FFS man how hard is it to understand what people really mean when they say "directional school"? It has nothing to do with the name itself it's about the mission and "type of school". It's also about the good ol' boy network and academic snobbery. Jeez.
The mission and type of school? Schools like Arizona State started out with the same mission as ECU. Once again I am telling you that I understand the supposed connotation of the directional name and the perception of mesaage board fans and academic snobs alike; however I am still awaiting one instance of where the name of a school has harmed it in conference expansion.
You won't find it and I never said that ECU or anybody else has been harmed by it. For now though, there are no directional schools in the P5.
People overplay the importance of academics and usually cite silly metrics to support their stance.
The conferences want a school that do their members credit and that better the group by association. There is plenty of give and take when it comes to things like academics and on field performance.
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