(07-20-2014 04:05 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  When people say directional school, they're not talking about elite private schools like NW and USC. How hard is that to understand?

TBH I really don't know why. I am glad that some ECU fans get this, but there are others that have some really dumb comments on here such as ECU being the same as USC or WVU in terms of having a direction in their name. It just really sucks for the fanbase in general that these other guys drag the rest of yall down with their rhetoric on this.

(07-20-2014 04:03 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:00 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:51 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:29 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 02:29 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The debate is about a directional name being detrimental to a schools brand... .

And Northwestern and Southern California are directional schools you dumb***. So obviously having a direction in your school's name is not the issue. The issue is the public's perception of the name and if that is true, the who in the Hell cares about the name of these schools if can they help a conference make money.

no you are just being too stupid to have a reasonable debate. that and editing out my argument which shows why I am right.

No you are just to stupid for words in thread after thread.

well you are the one arguing that I am wrong on something that even Blundergrass (an ECU fan) agrees with me on

I am arguing that it doesn't matter what the name of the school is if they can make a conference money. You are the nut arguing that a school's name is what is keeping them out of a major conference. That is what makes you stupid.

(07-20-2014 04:05 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  When people say directional school, they're not talking about elite private schools like NW and USC. How hard is that to understand?

That point is not lost on me. Do you understand?

The point is that the name of a school is not what is keeping them out of a major conference. Is that sinking in yet?

Because South Florida was in a major conference. How hard is that to understand?

(07-20-2014 04:08 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:03 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:00 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:51 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:29 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  And Northwestern and Southern California are directional schools you dumb***. So obviously having a direction in your school's name is not the issue. The issue is the public's perception of the name and if that is true, the who in the Hell cares about the name of these schools if can they help a conference make money.

no you are just being too stupid to have a reasonable debate. that and editing out my argument which shows why I am right.

No you are just to stupid for words in thread after thread.

well you are the one arguing that I am wrong on something that even Blundergrass (an ECU fan) agrees with me on

I am arguing that it doesn't matter what the name of the school is if they can make a conference money. You are the nut arguing that a school's name is what is keeping them out of a major conference. That is what makes you stupid.

please point out the part in this thread where I said that????

(07-20-2014 04:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:08 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:03 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:00 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:51 PM)john01992 Wrote:  no you are just being too stupid to have a reasonable debate. that and editing out my argument which shows why I am right.

No you are just to stupid for words in thread after thread.

well you are the one arguing that I am wrong on something that even Blundergrass (an ECU fan) agrees with me on

I am arguing that it doesn't matter what the name of the school is if they can make a conference money. You are the nut arguing that a school's name is what is keeping them out of a major conference. That is what makes you stupid.

please point out the part in this thread where I said that????

You have been saying that in thread after thread on this board and on the AAC board. Your points are pointless and it is beginning to make me dislike just regular Syracuse fans because of folks like you.

(07-20-2014 03:57 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Honestly Marv, the situations are totally different. Those 2 are elite private schools that have always been in power conferences. Not really apples and apples. This is one instance when I agree with John. "Directional school" doesn't just refer to a direction being in the name.

FWIW, In the same way that USC and NW =/= ECU... WKU, MTSU, etc =/= ECU, USF, UCF and even NIU (yes, they're a "national school".) Some nationally ranked public directional schools have outgrown their original mission and other things but our name, ECU's anyway, won't be changing just to try to appease the P5.

I agree. ECU would lose too much name brand recognition if they were to change the name now. It would have had to have been done 25 years ago at least.

(07-20-2014 04:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:08 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:03 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:00 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  No you are just to stupid for words in thread after thread.

well you are the one arguing that I am wrong on something that even Blundergrass (an ECU fan) agrees with me on

I am arguing that it doesn't matter what the name of the school is if they can make a conference money. You are the nut arguing that a school's name is what is keeping them out of a major conference. That is what makes you stupid.

please point out the part in this thread where I said that????

You have been saying that in thread after thread on this board and on the AAC board. Your points are pointless.

lmao now you have just proven yourself to be a general sh.ithead

you are entering a talking point that I have never mentioned once in this thread because you just got owned on this USC vs ECU thing.

you are just trying to pretend you were talking about something else instead after getting your butt kicked in the current argument.

nice deflection.

Interesting non-collegiate sports related thread that pretty much echos the thoughts of the general public.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.p...ad=4879017

Quote:"Don't think of it as a literal definition. Directional school (IMO) is a lower-tier/local state (public) school. UNC is the premier public school in the state (at least from my perspective in CA). Just because it has north in the name doesn't make it a directional school. USC is a private school (which exempts it from directional using my definition above). I guess a private school could also be directional. Mostly, people just label a school directional as a clever way of saying they draw from a local population and most people from a nearby state would have never heard of it."

The underlined portion basically sums it up. FWIW, public lower tier "city schools" (ie, Memphis and Louisville) are in the same category originally. But again... many directional (ECU, USF, UCF, NIU) and city schools (Pitt, UL, Cincy) have outgrown their original mission or increased their academic profile significantly, many of them being normal schools / teacher's colleges while some have not (MTSU, UNT, USM, Memphis and especially Boise St).

(07-20-2014 04:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:08 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:03 PM)john01992 Wrote:  well you are the one arguing that I am wrong on something that even Blundergrass (an ECU fan) agrees with me on

I am arguing that it doesn't matter what the name of the school is if they can make a conference money. You are the nut arguing that a school's name is what is keeping them out of a major conference. That is what makes you stupid.

please point out the part in this thread where I said that????

You have been saying that in thread after thread on this board and on the AAC board. Your points are pointless.

lmao now you have just proven yourself to be a general sh.ithead

you are entering a talking point that I have never mentioned once in this thread because you just got owned on this USC vs ECU thing.

you are just trying to pretend you were talking about something else instead after getting your butt kicked in the current argument.

nice deflection.

I was actually one of the people who said a directional name COULD be a reason why a school like ECU or UCF are not already in a P5 conference. I never said ECU's current name kept you out. It was more of an observation about perceptions. For instance would ECU be more respected with a name like Carolina Tech? Just a question.

(07-20-2014 04:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:08 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:03 PM)john01992 Wrote:  well you are the one arguing that I am wrong on something that even Blundergrass (an ECU fan) agrees with me on

I am arguing that it doesn't matter what the name of the school is if they can make a conference money. You are the nut arguing that a school's name is what is keeping them out of a major conference. That is what makes you stupid.

please point out the part in this thread where I said that????

You have been saying that in thread after thread on this board and on the AAC board. Your points are pointless.

lmao now you have just proven yourself to be a general sh.ithead

you are entering a talking point that I have never mentioned once in this thread because you just got owned on this USC vs ECU thing.

you are just trying to pretend you were talking about something else instead after getting your butt kicked in the current argument.

nice deflection.

You having have been bashing in thread after thread and I for one am calling you on it. You are a sh1thead and I for one am sick of your sh1t. I have said from day one when theses stupid points are pushed that it doesn't matter what the name of your school is. It matters whether you can make money for your conference. You are nothing more than a wanttobe elitist piece of sh1t. Wanttobe is the operative phrase, because despite your trying; you are not.

(07-20-2014 04:15 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Interesting non-collegiate sports related thread that pretty much echos the thoughts of the general public.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.p...ad=4879017

Quote:"Don't think of it as a literal definition. Directional school (IMO) is a lower-tier/local state (public) school. UNC is the premier public school in the state (at least from my perspective in CA). Just because it has north in the name doesn't make it a directional school. USC is a private school (which exempts it from directional using my definition above). I guess a private school could also be directional. Mostly, people just label a school directional as a clever way of saying they draw from a local population and most people from a nearby state would have never heard of it."

The underlined portion basically sums it up. FWIW, public lower tier "city schools" (ie, Memphis and Louisville) are in the same category originally. But again... many directional (ECU, USF, UCF, NIU) and city schools (Pitt, UL, Cincy) have outgrown their original mission or increased their academic profile significantly, many of them being normal schools / teacher's colleges while some have not (MTSU, UNT, USM, Memphis and especially Boise St).

When has the name of the school been the reason that a school was kept out of a conference? Do you have any instances of where that was the case?

We have an instance of where a school with a City name (Louisville) was taken into the ACC over a flagship school with better academics (UConn).

(07-20-2014 04:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:08 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I am arguing that it doesn't matter what the name of the school is if they can make a conference money. You are the nut arguing that a school's name is what is keeping them out of a major conference. That is what makes you stupid.

please point out the part in this thread where I said that????

You have been saying that in thread after thread on this board and on the AAC board. Your points are pointless.

lmao now you have just proven yourself to be a general sh.ithead

you are entering a talking point that I have never mentioned once in this thread because you just got owned on this USC vs ECU thing.

you are just trying to pretend you were talking about something else instead after getting your butt kicked in the current argument.

nice deflection.

You having have been bashing in thread after thread and I for one am calling you on it. You are a sh1thead and I for one am sick of your sh1t. I have said from day one when theses stupid points are pushed that it doesn't matter what the name of your school is. It matters whether you can make money for your conference. You are nothing more than a wanttobe elitist piece of sh1t. Wanttobe is the operative phrase, because despite your trying; you are not.

no you are saying that I am stupid because while in the middle of argument X because of something I said during argument Y a couple of months ago.

You were essentially calling me stupid for arguing that water is wet because four months ago I said going to the beach sucks. Then never clarified why you were calling me stupid and made it seem that it wasn't because I think water is wet, but because the beach sucks.

Now I really don't care what you think, but I know what really happened is that you got pawned and are just trying to BS me in a sad attempt to save face.

(07-20-2014 04:24 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  When has the name of the school been the reason that a school was kept out of a conference? Do you have any instances of where that was the case?

I never said that was the case but the fact is that there isn't a directional public school who is currently in the P5 and USF was basically left out of the P6 party. It is because of the school, not literally because there's a direction in the name. We'd be wise to not grasp at these straws because frankly it looks kind of ignorant or intentionally obtuse.

That fact is though, that public directional schools' academics are behind their in-state flagship, land grant and private school brothers who are in the P5. It's really not a hard concept to grasp considering the P5 academic (and hypocritical) snobbery.

(07-20-2014 04:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  please point out the part in this thread where I said that????

You have been saying that in thread after thread on this board and on the AAC board. Your points are pointless.

lmao now you have just proven yourself to be a general sh.ithead

you are entering a talking point that I have never mentioned once in this thread because you just got owned on this USC vs ECU thing.

you are just trying to pretend you were talking about something else instead after getting your butt kicked in the current argument.

nice deflection.

You having have been bashing in thread after thread and I for one am calling you on it. You are a sh1thead and I for one am sick of your sh1t. I have said from day one when theses stupid points are pushed that it doesn't matter what the name of your school is. It matters whether you can make money for your conference. You are nothing more than a wanttobe elitist piece of sh1t. Wanttobe is the operative phrase, because despite your trying; you are not.

no you are saying that I am stupid because while in the middle of argument X because of something I said during argument Y a couple of months ago.

You were essentially calling me stupid for arguing that water is wet because four months ago I said going to the beach sucks. Then never clarified why you were calling me stupid and made it seem that it wasn't because I think water is wet, but because the beach sucks.

Now I really don't care what you think, but I know what really happened is that you got pawned and are just trying to BS me in a sad attempt to save face.

I read a thread on the AAC board earlier this week where you were making some uncalled for shots. And then you did the same crap in this thread. You are just a douche. Btw, what difference does it make if a school has a direction in it's name? The people who support that school will support that school despite what a douchey elitist wannabe dirtbag thinks.

(07-20-2014 04:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I never said that was the case but the fact is that there isn't a directional public school who is currently in the P5 and USF was basically left out of the P6 party. It is because of the school, not literally because there's a direction in the name. We'd be wise to not grasp at these straws because frankly it looks kind of ignorant or intentionally obtuse.

That fact is though, that public directional schools' academics are behind their in-state flagship, land grant and private school brothers who are in the P5. It's really not a hard concept to grasp considering the P5 academic (and hypocritical) snobbery.

So do you think that the reason that none are in the P5 is because of their names or is it something else, which is what I am stating.

(07-20-2014 04:36 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  You have been saying that in thread after thread on this board and on the AAC board. Your points are pointless.

lmao now you have just proven yourself to be a general sh.ithead

you are entering a talking point that I have never mentioned once in this thread because you just got owned on this USC vs ECU thing.

you are just trying to pretend you were talking about something else instead after getting your butt kicked in the current argument.

nice deflection.

You having have been bashing in thread after thread and I for one am calling you on it. You are a sh1thead and I for one am sick of your sh1t. I have said from day one when theses stupid points are pushed that it doesn't matter what the name of your school is. It matters whether you can make money for your conference. You are nothing more than a wanttobe elitist piece of sh1t. Wanttobe is the operative phrase, because despite your trying; you are not.

no you are saying that I am stupid because while in the middle of argument X because of something I said during argument Y a couple of months ago.

You were essentially calling me stupid for arguing that water is wet because four months ago I said going to the beach sucks. Then never clarified why you were calling me stupid and made it seem that it wasn't because I think water is wet, but because the beach sucks.

Now I really don't care what you think, but I know what really happened is that you got pawned and are just trying to BS me in a sad attempt to save face.

I read a thread on the AAC board earlier this week where you were making some uncalled for shots. And then you did the same crap in this thread. You are just a douche. Btw, what difference does it make if a school has a direction in it's name? The people who support that school will support that school despite what a douchey elitist wannabe dirtbag thinks.

what you define as "uncalled shots" and "being a douche" I call legitimate talking points relevant to the conversation at hand.

And yet somehow blundergrass agrees with me on both points, so clearly my comments are not as "douchey and uncalled for" as you claim.

(07-20-2014 04:38 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I never said that was the case but the fact is that there isn't a directional public school who is currently in the P5 and USF was basically left out of the P6 party. It is because of the school, not literally because there's a direction in the name. We'd be wise to not grasp at these straws because frankly it looks kind of ignorant or intentionally obtuse.

That fact is though, that public directional schools' academics are behind their in-state flagship, land grant and private school brothers who are in the P5. It's really not a hard concept to grasp considering the P5 academic (and hypocritical) snobbery.

So do you think that the reason that none are in the P5 is because of their names or is it something else, which is what I am stating.

FFS man how hard is it to understand what people really mean when they say "directional school"? It has nothing to do with the name itself it's about the mission and "type of school". It's also about the good ol' boy network and academic snobbery. Jeez.

ECU is in the AAC. Make the most of it; you're not going anywhere else.

(07-20-2014 04:57 PM)westwolf Wrote:  ECU is in the AAC. Make the most of it; you're not going anywhere else.

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(07-20-2014 04:43 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:38 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 04:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I never said that was the case but the fact is that there isn't a directional public school who is currently in the P5 and USF was basically left out of the P6 party. It is because of the school, not literally because there's a direction in the name. We'd be wise to not grasp at these straws because frankly it looks kind of ignorant or intentionally obtuse.

That fact is though, that public directional schools' academics are behind their in-state flagship, land grant and private school brothers who are in the P5. It's really not a hard concept to grasp considering the P5 academic (and hypocritical) snobbery.

So do you think that the reason that none are in the P5 is because of their names or is it something else, which is what I am stating.

FFS man how hard is it to understand what people really mean when they say "directional school"? It has nothing to do with the name itself it's about the mission and "type of school". It's also about the good ol' boy network and academic snobbery. Jeez.

The mission and type of school? Schools like Arizona State started out with the same mission as ECU. Once again I am telling you that I understand the supposed connotation of the directional name and the perception of mesaage board fans and academic snobs alike; however I am still awaiting one instance of where the name of a school has harmed it in conference expansion.