(07-18-2014 05:07 PM)Poorwill Wrote:  Another thing wrong with baseball? Unless you are a Yankees or Red Sox fan don't even bother watching ESPN.

Espn made the Red Sox. There was no rivalry with the Yankees and the Red Sox growing up. The rivalry was everyone vs the Yankees. Red Sox think they had a rivalry.

Now it feels like they play each other 50 times a year. The made for tv rivalry has lost its luster and now they've lost the rest of the country. Serves ESPN right.

(07-20-2014 12:05 PM)kabluey Wrote:  But why isn't MLB marketing minor league players more? Compare the drafts, I don't know any player drafted in the MLB, nor do I know how to gauge whether they will or should become a star in the big leagues. I have at least an inkling of all three of these things for NBA and NFL. I know that the minor leagues is often treated as free marketing for MLB, but I don't know if that's as effective as it could be.

I knew who Ref is b/c I follow the Yankee minor league system daily. The reason IMO that MLB doesn't "market" their minor league stars is that so many never make it. Baseball, unlike NFL or NBA, players have to earn their way to the show. Every once in a while, a guy like Trout or Wacha gets drafted and hits the big leagues within a yr or so. Football and basketball players jump right in the mix.

(07-20-2014 01:14 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 12:05 PM)kabluey Wrote:  But why isn't MLB marketing minor league players more? Compare the drafts, I don't know any player drafted in the MLB, nor do I know how to gauge whether they will or should become a star in the big leagues. I have at least an inkling of all three of these things for NBA and NFL. I know that the minor leagues is often treated as free marketing for MLB, but I don't know if that's as effective as it could be.

I knew who Ref is b/c I follow the Yankee minor league system daily. The reason IMO that MLB doesn't "market" their minor league stars is that so many never make it. Baseball, unlike NFL or NBA, players have to earn their way to the show. Every once in a while, a guy like Trout or Wacha gets drafted and hits the big leagues within a yr or so. Football and basketball players jump right in the mix.

I get that. I suppose I'm just being fussy. I know it's complex. But it seems baseball waits to market until after they hit the bigs, except for the Nationals pitcher and a few others there was very high anticipation for their first games. I guess it makes sense that the best marketing for rising major league players is the minor league markets they come from. The Redbirds are a good example of it.

But thinking about the commish's concession that MLB is largely a regional support, maybe the minor leagues feed that provincial regionalism. Do the minor leagues prevent somehow awareness of opposing players? I know Redbirds players. I don't know players of other minor league teams the way I know players of Tiger's and Grizz rivals. Is that because of the sport, because of the minor league system, or just me? And that hinders my awareness/interest in baseball on the MLB level. I'm thrilled with AAA baseball, and think a pursuit of MLB, even if attainable, would be more of a waste than pursuit of other leagues (i.e. MLS).

I need to know more stories about MLB players, I think. I don't have the time or the interest to search them all out, however, lol... Or I need to play fantasy baseball. Again, I don't have the time for any fantasy sports or video games anymore, though...

(07-18-2014 06:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-18-2014 02:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(07-18-2014 12:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What's wrong with baseball?

1. Most pro athletes (MLB, NHL, NBA) loafed 15 years ago. Other sports have fixed this except baseball. Today players making $10 million a year still refuse to run out ground balls.

2. The Yankees $238 million payroll competes against the Astros $21 million payroll for the same trophy

3. The idiot commissioner spent most of his tenure not giving a **** about PED's.

4. Game are too long

The game would look drastically different if A. Bartlett Giamatti hadn't died. When you hire a piece of **** used car salesman to run the league, what do you expect?

NBA players today don't loaf? News to me. Hell, half the regular season players go through the motions.

The NBA STILL doesn't give an ish about PED's. They don't test for HGH? Ever wonder why Lebron looks the way he does? Hmmm.

The payrolls are what they are. MLB STILL has had a more diverse group of champions than any other major sport.

Since 2000 (number of different franchises to win title)
MLB:9 (doesn't include this season, of course)
NFL:9
NBA:6 (only 8 since 1984)

Longer games? They are no longer nine innings? The 2013 season average was 12 minutes longer than the 1987 season average, or about 40 seconds longer per half inning.

Part of it is that there are, on average, two more strikeouts per game, a 35% increase from the 80's. More strikeouts=more pitches. More pitches=more time.

Also blame dikwads like LaRussa who go to the pen for every dadgum lefty-righty matchup from the 7th inning on. That's the real timesuck.

Quote:NBA players today don't loaf? News to me. Hell, half the regular season players go through the motions.

Seems kind of obvious to everyone that they loaf a lot less. I'm glad I could be the one to let you in on the big secret.

1958 - 1995
39 years
NBA teams averaged at least 101.4 ppg EVERY single season

1996-2014
19 years
NBA teams NEVER averaged at least 101.4 ppg per season

Quote:Longer games?

Is this a question? If it is, why do you give reasons why the games ARE longer and still ask the question? You seem to know the answer; if you don't; guess, it's not that hard. Thanks for the nice list of reasons, but seriously; who gives a ****?

In any event; good for you that you acknowledge what every single human being on the planet agrees with...namely that baseball games are too long.

Quote:MLB STILL has had a more diverse group of champions than any other major sport.

Playoff Droughts
MLB
4 - 10+ years
9 - 5+ years

NFL
4 - 10+ years
8 - 5+ years

NBA
1 - 10+ years
3 - 5+ years

NHL
0 - 10+ years
4 - 5+ years

Finalists Since 2000
17 NFL
17 NHL (includes lockout season, no champ)
15 MLB
12 NBA

Champions Since 2000
10 NFL
9 NHL
9 MLB
6 NBA

I guess a three way tie = MORE than any other major sport. That assumes that your info is correct. The NFL has had 10 champions since 2000; so your info is (unfortunately) not correct.

Saluki facts 101 on full display.

There is a difference between offering a counter and being a flat out *******, I guess a leopard just can't change his spots.

As for the longer games, I never denied they weren't longer--it's a fact. However, the bigger issue with it is that people in today's remote control day and age want immediate results now now now and baseball is viewed (with game times just being a scapegoat) as the reason. Hell, NCAAf and NFL games routinely go past 3:30 and NBA games (which despite a strict time of play of 48 mins have seen game times increase in the nature of 2:30+).

As for titles, I include SEASONS from 2000 on, you added the 1999 season (2000 Super Bowl), so the NFL and MLB are tied, BUT this MLB season has yet to have a WS.

I don't count the NHL because no one gives an s about it.

As for teams making playoffs--give baseball the same inclusion parameters that the NBA has. 53% of teams make the NBA playoffs, 37.5% of the NFL teams make the playoffs and in MLB only 31% of the teams make it (up from 25% when most stats are cited).

(07-19-2014 01:37 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:34 AM)KRB Wrote:  I've always watched baseball.

Then you're not one of the *******'s

Thanks,I was worried there for a minute.

(07-20-2014 04:55 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(07-18-2014 06:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-18-2014 02:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(07-18-2014 12:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What's wrong with baseball?

1. Most pro athletes (MLB, NHL, NBA) loafed 15 years ago. Other sports have fixed this except baseball. Today players making $10 million a year still refuse to run out ground balls.

2. The Yankees $238 million payroll competes against the Astros $21 million payroll for the same trophy

3. The idiot commissioner spent most of his tenure not giving a **** about PED's.

4. Game are too long

The game would look drastically different if A. Bartlett Giamatti hadn't died. When you hire a piece of **** used car salesman to run the league, what do you expect?

NBA players today don't loaf? News to me. Hell, half the regular season players go through the motions.

The NBA STILL doesn't give an ish about PED's. They don't test for HGH? Ever wonder why Lebron looks the way he does? Hmmm.

The payrolls are what they are. MLB STILL has had a more diverse group of champions than any other major sport.

Since 2000 (number of different franchises to win title)
MLB:9 (doesn't include this season, of course)
NFL:9
NBA:6 (only 8 since 1984)

Longer games? They are no longer nine innings? The 2013 season average was 12 minutes longer than the 1987 season average, or about 40 seconds longer per half inning.

Part of it is that there are, on average, two more strikeouts per game, a 35% increase from the 80's. More strikeouts=more pitches. More pitches=more time.

Also blame dikwads like LaRussa who go to the pen for every dadgum lefty-righty matchup from the 7th inning on. That's the real timesuck.

Quote:NBA players today don't loaf? News to me. Hell, half the regular season players go through the motions.

Seems kind of obvious to everyone that they loaf a lot less. I'm glad I could be the one to let you in on the big secret.

1958 - 1995
39 years
NBA teams averaged at least 101.4 ppg EVERY single season

1996-2014
19 years
NBA teams NEVER averaged at least 101.4 ppg per season

Quote:Longer games?

Is this a question? If it is, why do you give reasons why the games ARE longer and still ask the question? You seem to know the answer; if you don't; guess, it's not that hard. Thanks for the nice list of reasons, but seriously; who gives a ****?

In any event; good for you that you acknowledge what every single human being on the planet agrees with...namely that baseball games are too long.

Quote:MLB STILL has had a more diverse group of champions than any other major sport.

Playoff Droughts
MLB
4 - 10+ years
9 - 5+ years

NFL
4 - 10+ years
8 - 5+ years

NBA
1 - 10+ years
3 - 5+ years

NHL
0 - 10+ years
4 - 5+ years

Finalists Since 2000
17 NFL
17 NHL (includes lockout season, no champ)
15 MLB
12 NBA

Champions Since 2000
10 NFL
9 NHL
9 MLB
6 NBA

I guess a three way tie = MORE than any other major sport. That assumes that your info is correct. The NFL has had 10 champions since 2000; so your info is (unfortunately) not correct.

Saluki facts 101 on full display.

There is a difference between offering a counter and being a flat out *******, I guess a leopard just can't change his spots.

As for the longer games, I never denied they weren't longer--it's a fact. However, the bigger issue with it is that people in today's remote control day and age want immediate results now now now and baseball is viewed (with game times just being a scapegoat) as the reason. Hell, NCAAf and NFL games routinely go past 3:30 and NBA games (which despite a strict time of play of 48 mins have seen game times increase in the nature of 2:30+).

As for titles, I include SEASONS from 2000 on, you added the 1999 season (2000 Super Bowl), so the NFL and MLB are tied, BUT this MLB season has yet to have a WS.

I don't count the NHL because no one gives an s about it.

As for teams making playoffs--give baseball the same inclusion parameters that the NBA has. 53% of teams make the NBA playoffs, 37.5% of the NFL teams make the playoffs and in MLB only 31% of the teams make it (up from 25% when most stats are cited).

Glad you agree with every point I made. Thanks.