The one thing I believe that can be agreed too, is the only loser in this deal was the AAC. The other G5's and P5 increased payout. The AAC was the only one to go down.

(07-16-2014 02:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:19 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  some huge things:
— Each conference will also receive $300,000 for each school that meets the NCAA's required APR for participation in a bowl game. (For example, if 10 teams met the requirement, a conference would receive $3 million.)

— Conferences will receive $6 million for each team selected as one of the four playoff participants. (There won't be additional funds for the teams that advance to the championship game.)

— Conferences will receive $4 million for every team selected for a non-playoff bowl (in 2014, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach bowls).

— Each conference will receive $2 million to cover expenses for each participant in a semifinal, and for the championship game.

— Notre Dame will receive $2.3 million in 2014; the other three independents will split $922,658. (Notre Dame and other independents would receive $6 million for participation in the playoff or $4 million for participation in the Cotton, Fiesta or Peach bowls.)

Revenue from the playoff does not include individual contracts conferences have with the bowls.

For example, in the 2014 season, in addition to its $50 million base payout, the ACC would receive approximately $27.5 million from its contract with the Orange Bowl.

The Rose and Sugar Bowls – tied to the Big Ten and Pac-12 and Big 12 and SEC, respectively – will serve as semifinals for the playoff this season. But in 2015, when the Rose and Sugar aren't semifinals, those four leagues would each receive approximately $40 million (above the $50 million base payout from the College Football Playoff) from their contracts with those bowls.


The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar. ACC will get 27.5 or 40 mil depending on opponent.

Also- playoff teams will get 6 million per team.
access bowl teams will get 4 million per team.

ND will get 2.3 mil regardless....
BYU, Army, Navy will get about 300k per team. Not sure if that would go up to 450k next year when Navy leaves.

The Big East/AAC is the only conference that took a pay cut under the new agreement. The P5 went up 50%. The G5 will see a 500% increase. The AAC will go from $27.897 million to $15 million----a CUT of $12.897 million. That nearly a 50% reduction. BOOM!

Eh. I'm not so sure those numbers for the AAC are correct. They get about $23M from the BCS for this past season, from what I understand. And then after all the bonuses and academic payments, they'll probably get around the same under the CFP, with an extra $4M if they go to the Access Bowl. It could be as much as $30M if they finish 1st among the G5 and go to the Access Bowl. Still not really much of a raise, where as everyone else gets a huge raise.

The 27.897 million came from the article in the OP. If I recall correctly, the value of a full BCS share increases a little every year. Still, $15 million would be a big step down from even $23 million.

The G5 has already decided on how the 75 million will be split among the G5. Its not clear if the 6 million for the G5 winner comes from the 75 million dollar G-5 pot or if the 75 million G5 split includes the 4 million for being in an access bowl. That could change the numbers slightly.

A portion is divided evenly. 1 million per team in conference with a max of 12 million.

A portion goes to the G5 conference that wins the G5 access bowl slot. I understood that to be 6 million.

The remaining 9 million is split on the basis of conference performance. The money is divided in 15 equal shares. The top conference gets 5 shares. The #2 gets 4 shares. The #3 gets 3 shares, #4 gets 2 shares, and #5 gets 1 share. That's 3 million for the top conference. and 600K for the worst.

Then there is an additional 300K per school for making APR (max of 3 million).

Max payout for the AAC would be 12 million + 6 Million + 3 million + 3 million=24 million. That 3.897 million less than the amount USA-Today is reporting as the AAC's last BCS paycheck.

The G5 share is around $86M, not $75M. The $300K is per school in the conference with no cap. The $6M is from the G5 share, and then there would be the other $4M from the Access bowl fund.

Changing those amounts gets the AAC if they are the best conference in the G5 and go to the Access Bowl $12M+$3.6M+$6.75M+$6M+$4M = $32.35M.

In any event, it's not a raise and in some years it'll be a cut. It sucks, but that's what happens when the conference is blackballed.

(07-16-2014 03:06 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The one thing I believe that can be agreed too, is the only loser in this deal was the AAC. The other G5's and P5 increased payout. The AAC was the only one to go down.

I think the 2 losers are AAC and ACC. ACC has gone from being equal to all the other P5 conferences to making a million per school less than the other P5 conferences. That's a pretty large difference- MUCH bigger than before.

I thinks its fair as the acc didn't earn it during the bcs.
Still at the table though.
Shame for cincy and uconn.

(07-16-2014 03:17 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:19 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  some huge things:
— Each conference will also receive $300,000 for each school that meets the NCAA's required APR for participation in a bowl game. (For example, if 10 teams met the requirement, a conference would receive $3 million.)

— Conferences will receive $6 million for each team selected as one of the four playoff participants. (There won't be additional funds for the teams that advance to the championship game.)

— Conferences will receive $4 million for every team selected for a non-playoff bowl (in 2014, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach bowls).

— Each conference will receive $2 million to cover expenses for each participant in a semifinal, and for the championship game.

— Notre Dame will receive $2.3 million in 2014; the other three independents will split $922,658. (Notre Dame and other independents would receive $6 million for participation in the playoff or $4 million for participation in the Cotton, Fiesta or Peach bowls.)

Revenue from the playoff does not include individual contracts conferences have with the bowls.

For example, in the 2014 season, in addition to its $50 million base payout, the ACC would receive approximately $27.5 million from its contract with the Orange Bowl.

The Rose and Sugar Bowls – tied to the Big Ten and Pac-12 and Big 12 and SEC, respectively – will serve as semifinals for the playoff this season. But in 2015, when the Rose and Sugar aren't semifinals, those four leagues would each receive approximately $40 million (above the $50 million base payout from the College Football Playoff) from their contracts with those bowls.


The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar. ACC will get 27.5 or 40 mil depending on opponent.

Also- playoff teams will get 6 million per team.
access bowl teams will get 4 million per team.

ND will get 2.3 mil regardless....
BYU, Army, Navy will get about 300k per team. Not sure if that would go up to 450k next year when Navy leaves.

The Big East/AAC is the only conference that took a pay cut under the new agreement. The P5 went up 50%. The G5 will see a 500% increase. The AAC will go from $27.897 million to $15 million----a CUT of $12.897 million. That nearly a 50% reduction. BOOM!

Eh. I'm not so sure those numbers for the AAC are correct. They get about $23M from the BCS for this past season, from what I understand. And then after all the bonuses and academic payments, they'll probably get around the same under the CFP, with an extra $4M if they go to the Access Bowl. It could be as much as $30M if they finish 1st among the G5 and go to the Access Bowl. Still not really much of a raise, where as everyone else gets a huge raise.

The 27.897 million came from the article in the OP. If I recall correctly, the value of a full BCS share increases a little every year. Still, $15 million would be a big step down from even $23 million.

The G5 has already decided on how the 75 million will be split among the G5. Its not clear if the 6 million for the G5 winner comes from the 75 million dollar G-5 pot or if the 75 million G5 split includes the 4 million for being in an access bowl. That could change the numbers slightly.

A portion is divided evenly. 1 million per team in conference with a max of 12 million.

A portion goes to the G5 conference that wins the G5 access bowl slot. I understood that to be 6 million.

The remaining 9 million is split on the basis of conference performance. The money is divided in 15 equal shares. The top conference gets 5 shares. The #2 gets 4 shares. The #3 gets 3 shares, #4 gets 2 shares, and #5 gets 1 share. That's 3 million for the top conference. and 600K for the worst.

Then there is an additional 300K per school for making APR (max of 3 million).

Max payout for the AAC would be 12 million + 6 Million + 3 million + 3 million=24 million. That 3.897 million less than the amount USA-Today is reporting as the AAC's last BCS paycheck.

The G5 share is around $86M, not $75M. The $300K is per school in the conference with no cap. The $6M is from the G5 share, and then there would be the other $4M from the Access bowl fund.

Changing those amounts gets the AAC if they are the best conference in the G5 and go to the Access Bowl $12M+$3.6M+$6.75M+$6M+$4M = $32.35M.

In any event, it's not a raise and in some years it'll be a cut. It sucks, but that's what happens when the conference is blackballed.

So the Access bowl spot for a MW team is worth $5 million since $10 million is split 50/50 between the conference and team getting the spot.

Sounds good to me..... :)

(07-16-2014 03:32 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:17 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:19 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The Big East/AAC is the only conference that took a pay cut under the new agreement. The P5 went up 50%. The G5 will see a 500% increase. The AAC will go from $27.897 million to $15 million----a CUT of $12.897 million. That nearly a 50% reduction. BOOM!

Eh. I'm not so sure those numbers for the AAC are correct. They get about $23M from the BCS for this past season, from what I understand. And then after all the bonuses and academic payments, they'll probably get around the same under the CFP, with an extra $4M if they go to the Access Bowl. It could be as much as $30M if they finish 1st among the G5 and go to the Access Bowl. Still not really much of a raise, where as everyone else gets a huge raise.

The 27.897 million came from the article in the OP. If I recall correctly, the value of a full BCS share increases a little every year. Still, $15 million would be a big step down from even $23 million.

The G5 has already decided on how the 75 million will be split among the G5. Its not clear if the 6 million for the G5 winner comes from the 75 million dollar G-5 pot or if the 75 million G5 split includes the 4 million for being in an access bowl. That could change the numbers slightly.

A portion is divided evenly. 1 million per team in conference with a max of 12 million.

A portion goes to the G5 conference that wins the G5 access bowl slot. I understood that to be 6 million.

The remaining 9 million is split on the basis of conference performance. The money is divided in 15 equal shares. The top conference gets 5 shares. The #2 gets 4 shares. The #3 gets 3 shares, #4 gets 2 shares, and #5 gets 1 share. That's 3 million for the top conference. and 600K for the worst.

Then there is an additional 300K per school for making APR (max of 3 million).

Max payout for the AAC would be 12 million + 6 Million + 3 million + 3 million=24 million. That 3.897 million less than the amount USA-Today is reporting as the AAC's last BCS paycheck.

The G5 share is around $86M, not $75M. The $300K is per school in the conference with no cap. The $6M is from the G5 share, and then there would be the other $4M from the Access bowl fund.

Changing those amounts gets the AAC if they are the best conference in the G5 and go to the Access Bowl $12M+$3.6M+$6.75M+$6M+$4M = $32.35M.

In any event, it's not a raise and in some years it'll be a cut. It sucks, but that's what happens when the conference is blackballed.

So the Access bowl spot for a MW team is worth $5 million since $10 million is split 50/50 between the conference and team getting the spot.

Maybe. Good deal for them, no? I mean the AAC had an appearance bonus for the BCS, too, plus they helped cover travel costs. It was about $4M after all was said and done to UCF this past season.

(07-16-2014 03:17 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:19 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  some huge things:
— Each conference will also receive $300,000 for each school that meets the NCAA's required APR for participation in a bowl game. (For example, if 10 teams met the requirement, a conference would receive $3 million.)

— Conferences will receive $6 million for each team selected as one of the four playoff participants. (There won't be additional funds for the teams that advance to the championship game.)

— Conferences will receive $4 million for every team selected for a non-playoff bowl (in 2014, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach bowls).

— Each conference will receive $2 million to cover expenses for each participant in a semifinal, and for the championship game.

— Notre Dame will receive $2.3 million in 2014; the other three independents will split $922,658. (Notre Dame and other independents would receive $6 million for participation in the playoff or $4 million for participation in the Cotton, Fiesta or Peach bowls.)

Revenue from the playoff does not include individual contracts conferences have with the bowls.

For example, in the 2014 season, in addition to its $50 million base payout, the ACC would receive approximately $27.5 million from its contract with the Orange Bowl.

The Rose and Sugar Bowls – tied to the Big Ten and Pac-12 and Big 12 and SEC, respectively – will serve as semifinals for the playoff this season. But in 2015, when the Rose and Sugar aren't semifinals, those four leagues would each receive approximately $40 million (above the $50 million base payout from the College Football Playoff) from their contracts with those bowls.


The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar. ACC will get 27.5 or 40 mil depending on opponent.

Also- playoff teams will get 6 million per team.
access bowl teams will get 4 million per team.

ND will get 2.3 mil regardless....
BYU, Army, Navy will get about 300k per team. Not sure if that would go up to 450k next year when Navy leaves.

The Big East/AAC is the only conference that took a pay cut under the new agreement. The P5 went up 50%. The G5 will see a 500% increase. The AAC will go from $27.897 million to $15 million----a CUT of $12.897 million. That nearly a 50% reduction. BOOM!

Eh. I'm not so sure those numbers for the AAC are correct. They get about $23M from the BCS for this past season, from what I understand. And then after all the bonuses and academic payments, they'll probably get around the same under the CFP, with an extra $4M if they go to the Access Bowl. It could be as much as $30M if they finish 1st among the G5 and go to the Access Bowl. Still not really much of a raise, where as everyone else gets a huge raise.

The 27.897 million came from the article in the OP. If I recall correctly, the value of a full BCS share increases a little every year. Still, $15 million would be a big step down from even $23 million.

The G5 has already decided on how the 75 million will be split among the G5. Its not clear if the 6 million for the G5 winner comes from the 75 million dollar G-5 pot or if the 75 million G5 split includes the 4 million for being in an access bowl. That could change the numbers slightly.

A portion is divided evenly. 1 million per team in conference with a max of 12 million.

A portion goes to the G5 conference that wins the G5 access bowl slot. I understood that to be 6 million.

The remaining 9 million is split on the basis of conference performance. The money is divided in 15 equal shares. The top conference gets 5 shares. The #2 gets 4 shares. The #3 gets 3 shares, #4 gets 2 shares, and #5 gets 1 share. That's 3 million for the top conference. and 600K for the worst.

Then there is an additional 300K per school for making APR (max of 3 million).

Max payout for the AAC would be 12 million + 6 Million + 3 million + 3 million=24 million. That 3.897 million less than the amount USA-Today is reporting as the AAC's last BCS paycheck.

The G5 share is around $86M, not $75M. The $300K is per school in the conference with no cap. The $6M is from the G5 share, and then there would be the other $4M from the Access bowl fund.

Changing those amounts gets the AAC if they are the best conference in the G5 and go to the Access Bowl $12M+$3.6M+$6.75M+$6M+$4M = $32.35M.

In any event, it's not a raise and in some years it'll be a cut. It sucks, but that's what happens when the conference is blackballed.

Thats what happens when a conference implodes & losses its AQ staus. The G5 should make more off of this deal though & the AAC did get screwed on their TV contract.

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(07-16-2014 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:06 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The one thing I believe that can be agreed too, is the only loser in this deal was the AAC. The other G5's and P5 increased payout. The AAC was the only one to go down.

I think the 2 losers are AAC and ACC. ACC has gone from being equal to all the other P5 conferences to making a million per school less than the other P5 conferences. That's a pretty large difference- MUCH bigger than before.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-agreement


From the link:

However, in the years the Rose and/or Sugar bowls host the national semifinals, the BCS commissioners have agreed that the Big Ten or SEC champion will not be placed in the Orange Bowl. Instead it will be placed in one of the three other access bowls. That decision was made to improve the value of the access bowls, sources told ESPN.

(07-16-2014 04:00 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:06 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The one thing I believe that can be agreed too, is the only loser in this deal was the AAC. The other G5's and P5 increased payout. The AAC was the only one to go down.

I think the 2 losers are AAC and ACC. ACC has gone from being equal to all the other P5 conferences to making a million per school less than the other P5 conferences. That's a pretty large difference- MUCH bigger than before.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-agreement


From the link:

However, in the years the Rose and/or Sugar bowls host the national semifinals, the BCS commissioners have agreed that the Big Ten or SEC champion will not be placed in the Orange Bowl. Instead it will be placed in one of the three other access bowls. That decision was made to improve the value of the access bowls, sources told ESPN.

That would help the ACC out a bit- as it would give ND more of a shot to be ahead of 2nd place team. But when SEC is regularly putting 3-4 top 10 teams- it's not that much of a help. Also, ND helps the ACC only 2x in 12 years. Best case for ACC, it's ACC 5.028 SEC/B10 5.967, P12 6.389, B12 7667. That's still a huge cap when figured over 12 years, especially vs P12 and B12.

Curious, after reading the ESPN Link, once could conclude that the ACC and SEC/B10/ND are supposed to get access bowls since the Orange has displaced them. Are the Playoffs considered Access Bowls? If not, it appears the ACC and SEC/B10/ND would get an access bowl. So let say Clemson is the ACC Champ and top 4, does the ACC get a second team in the Access Bowl to replace the ACC Champ?

(07-16-2014 04:25 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Curious, after reading the ESPN Link, once could conclude that the ACC and SEC/B10/ND are supposed to get access bowls since the Orange has displaced them. Are the Playoffs considered Access Bowls? If not, it appears the ACC and SEC/B10/ND would get an access bowl. So let say Clemson is the ACC Champ and top 4, does the ACC get a second team in the Access Bowl to replace the ACC Champ?

no. access bowl slots are guaranteed for champions ONLY in years where your host bowl is hosting semifinal's.

(07-16-2014 04:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:00 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:06 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The one thing I believe that can be agreed too, is the only loser in this deal was the AAC. The other G5's and P5 increased payout. The AAC was the only one to go down.

I think the 2 losers are AAC and ACC. ACC has gone from being equal to all the other P5 conferences to making a million per school less than the other P5 conferences. That's a pretty large difference- MUCH bigger than before.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-agreement


From the link:

However, in the years the Rose and/or Sugar bowls host the national semifinals, the BCS commissioners have agreed that the Big Ten or SEC champion will not be placed in the Orange Bowl. Instead it will be placed in one of the three other access bowls. That decision was made to improve the value of the access bowls, sources told ESPN.

That would help the ACC out a bit- as it would give ND more of a shot to be ahead of 2nd place team. But when SEC is regularly putting 3-4 top 10 teams- it's not that much of a help. Also, ND helps the ACC only 2x in 12 years. Best case for ACC, it's ACC 5.028 SEC/B10 5.967, P12 6.389, B12 7667. That's still a huge cap when figured over 12 years, especially vs P12 and B12.

You are 100% correct and great work. I was looking at it from a different angle. Much has been made of the $ difference between the conferences, This just illustrates that the Orange Bowl with the featured ACC team is worth just as much as the Rose and Sugar save the other access bowls. ESPN is using the difference between the Orange payout and the other contract bowls payout to prop up the access Bowls. Again, as others have pointed out, the ACC taking a hit to help ESPN.

So,the orange bowl teams that are displaced ACC vs SEC/B10/ND. The ACC would lose the access spot because the champ is in the playoff but SEC/B10/ND teams that are not champs would get an access spot because the don't have a spot in the Orange bowl that season due to the Orange being a semi-final. Seems like a bad deal for the ACC.

(07-16-2014 04:28 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:00 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:06 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The one thing I believe that can be agreed too, is the only loser in this deal was the AAC. The other G5's and P5 increased payout. The AAC was the only one to go down.

I think the 2 losers are AAC and ACC. ACC has gone from being equal to all the other P5 conferences to making a million per school less than the other P5 conferences. That's a pretty large difference- MUCH bigger than before.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-agreement


From the link:

However, in the years the Rose and/or Sugar bowls host the national semifinals, the BCS commissioners have agreed that the Big Ten or SEC champion will not be placed in the Orange Bowl. Instead it will be placed in one of the three other access bowls. That decision was made to improve the value of the access bowls, sources told ESPN.

That would help the ACC out a bit- as it would give ND more of a shot to be ahead of 2nd place team. But when SEC is regularly putting 3-4 top 10 teams- it's not that much of a help. Also, ND helps the ACC only 2x in 12 years. Best case for ACC, it's ACC 5.028 SEC/B10 5.967, P12 6.389, B12 7667. That's still a huge cap when figured over 12 years, especially vs P12 and B12.

You are 100% correct and great work. I was looking at it from a different angle. Much has been made of the $ difference between the conferences, This just illustrates that the Orange Bowl with the featured ACC team is worth just as much as the Rose and Sugar save the other access bowls. ESPN is using the difference between the Orange payout and the other contract bowls payout to prop up the access Bowls. Again, as others have pointed out, the ACC taking a hit to help ESPN.

How can the ACC be taking a hit on the Orange Bowl when there is no other P-5 champion available for the bowl - some years the SEC team could be the number 3 SEC team, most years the B10 will be the number 2 SEC team. Moreover, the Orange takes the risk of getting the 3rd ACC team for their bowl.

The average ACC school has one half the alumni of a B10 school. Not all ACC schools are in the cold north like the B10. The average ACC stadium is about 50% larger than the average of the ACC. Essentially the Orange is taking much more risk than the Sugar or Rose Bowl. That risk is reflected in the value of the Orange Bowl.

Had Miami not been in the tank for a decade, had FSU not tanked for half a decade, had UNC, NC State, or UVa even sniffed a major bowl team in the last decade, then the Orange Bowl might have paid more. Remember in the last decade the OB has had small schools like WF and GT, and could have been stuck with Duke and BC. You could take all the living alums of WF under the age of 80 and not fill one half the stadium.

A secondary risk is getting FSU and/or Clemson a couple of years in a row or say 3 of 4 years so that the fan base gets burned out like VT's did.

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, LSU, South Carolina, Georgia, TAMU, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Mizzou are like shooting fish in a barrel for the Sugar Bowl since the opponent will not be a MAC or Big East opponent. Vandy and Iowa State are not going to meet in the Sugar Bowl.

Selling the Rose Bowl is never an issue.

(07-16-2014 03:43 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:32 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:17 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:19 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Eh. I'm not so sure those numbers for the AAC are correct. They get about $23M from the BCS for this past season, from what I understand. And then after all the bonuses and academic payments, they'll probably get around the same under the CFP, with an extra $4M if they go to the Access Bowl. It could be as much as $30M if they finish 1st among the G5 and go to the Access Bowl. Still not really much of a raise, where as everyone else gets a huge raise.

The 27.897 million came from the article in the OP. If I recall correctly, the value of a full BCS share increases a little every year. Still, $15 million would be a big step down from even $23 million.

The G5 has already decided on how the 75 million will be split among the G5. Its not clear if the 6 million for the G5 winner comes from the 75 million dollar G-5 pot or if the 75 million G5 split includes the 4 million for being in an access bowl. That could change the numbers slightly.

A portion is divided evenly. 1 million per team in conference with a max of 12 million.

A portion goes to the G5 conference that wins the G5 access bowl slot. I understood that to be 6 million.

The remaining 9 million is split on the basis of conference performance. The money is divided in 15 equal shares. The top conference gets 5 shares. The #2 gets 4 shares. The #3 gets 3 shares, #4 gets 2 shares, and #5 gets 1 share. That's 3 million for the top conference. and 600K for the worst.

Then there is an additional 300K per school for making APR (max of 3 million).

Max payout for the AAC would be 12 million + 6 Million + 3 million + 3 million=24 million. That 3.897 million less than the amount USA-Today is reporting as the AAC's last BCS paycheck.

The G5 share is around $86M, not $75M. The $300K is per school in the conference with no cap. The $6M is from the G5 share, and then there would be the other $4M from the Access bowl fund.

Changing those amounts gets the AAC if they are the best conference in the G5 and go to the Access Bowl $12M+$3.6M+$6.75M+$6M+$4M = $32.35M.

In any event, it's not a raise and in some years it'll be a cut. It sucks, but that's what happens when the conference is blackballed.

So the Access bowl spot for a MW team is worth $5 million since $10 million is split 50/50 between the conference and team getting the spot.

Maybe. Good deal for them, no? I mean the AAC had an appearance bonus for the BCS, too, plus they helped cover travel costs. It was about $4M after all was said and done to UCF this past season.

This is the starting base right? So after 6 or 12 years those payouts would increase also? If so, then a MW team representing could get upwards of perhaps $7 million + ?

(07-16-2014 02:15 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar.

That's really odd. What happens to the $80M ESPN is paying for the Rose/Sugar this year then? I would guess it still ends up in the B1G/PAC's coffers. It's not like that money disappears.

The only thing that would make sense if this article is correct is that ESPN is NOT paying $80 million for the Rose this year. It is really paying $320 million for 12 years, an average of $30 million per year, not $480 million for 12 years.

But I don't believe it. I think the conferences DO get paid even in years where their contract bowls are part of the playoffs.

(07-16-2014 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:06 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The one thing I believe that can be agreed too, is the only loser in this deal was the AAC. The other G5's and P5 increased payout. The AAC was the only one to go down.

I think the 2 losers are AAC and ACC. ACC has gone from being equal to all the other P5 conferences to making a million per school less than the other P5 conferences. That's a pretty large difference- MUCH bigger than before.

You can't call a conference that is more than doubling its money a "loser" in any meaningful sense.

The only real losers are the three schools that transitioned from the Big East to the AAC: USF, Cincy, and UConn. All of the other new AAC schools are not losers, as they are getting more in the AAC than they used to in C-USA or wherever they came from.

(07-16-2014 05:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 02:15 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar.

That's really odd. What happens to the $80M ESPN is paying for the Rose/Sugar this year then? I would guess it still ends up in the B1G/PAC's coffers. It's not like that money disappears.

The only thing that would make sense if this article is correct is that ESPN is NOT paying $80 million for the Rose this year. It is really paying $320 million for 12 years, an average of $30 million per year, not $480 million for 12 years.

But I don't believe it. I think the conferences DO get paid even in years where their contract bowls are part of the playoffs.

No, if I am not mistaken when the Contract Bowl is the Semifinal the don't payout...when the Orange Bowl is the Semifinal the ACC rep when they are playing in either the CFP or a Access a Bowl receives $35 Million.

(07-16-2014 05:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:06 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The one thing I believe that can be agreed too, is the only loser in this deal was the AAC. The other G5's and P5 increased payout. The AAC was the only one to go down.

I think the 2 losers are AAC and ACC. ACC has gone from being equal to all the other P5 conferences to making a million per school less than the other P5 conferences. That's a pretty large difference- MUCH bigger than before.

You can't call a conference that is more than doubling its money a "loser" in any meaningful sense.

The only real losers are the three schools that transitioned from the Big East to the AAC: USF, Cincy, and UConn. All of the other new AAC schools are not losers, as they are getting more in the AAC than they used to in C-USA or wherever they came from.

Yeah, kind of hard to be called a loser when you go from roughly $24 Million to when it is all said and done roughly @ minimum $77 Million at the low point...I want to be that kind of loser...