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Power Fives Playoff Revenue Will Double From BCS-USA Today
HOOVER, Ala. – According to official estimates, the Power Five conferences will almost double their financial haul in the College Football Playoff's first season as compared to the final year of the Bowl Championship Series, with each league drawing a baseline amount of approximately $50 million in the first year of a 12-year contract.

The other five FBS-level leagues will split $75 million – but that's more than five times greater than their combined payday in 2013.


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They're still leaving a lot of money on the table. Expand the playoff to 8 teams and cut the bowl games out of the playoff completely. The TV rights alone for that ought to be close to the amount the NCAA gets from March Madness (about $770 million/year), and sponsorship revenue would also be big and would more than offset the cost of the CFP paying for the operating expenses of the 8-team playoff.
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some huge things:
— Each conference will also receive $300,000 for each school that meets the NCAA's required APR for participation in a bowl game. (For example, if 10 teams met the requirement, a conference would receive $3 million.)

— Conferences will receive $6 million for each team selected as one of the four playoff participants. (There won't be additional funds for the teams that advance to the championship game.)

— Conferences will receive $4 million for every team selected for a non-playoff bowl (in 2014, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach bowls).

— Each conference will receive $2 million to cover expenses for each participant in a semifinal, and for the championship game.

— Notre Dame will receive $2.3 million in 2014; the other three independents will split $922,658. (Notre Dame and other independents would receive $6 million for participation in the playoff or $4 million for participation in the Cotton, Fiesta or Peach bowls.)

Revenue from the playoff does not include individual contracts conferences have with the bowls.

For example, in the 2014 season, in addition to its $50 million base payout, the ACC would receive approximately $27.5 million from its contract with the Orange Bowl.

The Rose and Sugar Bowls – tied to the Big Ten and Pac-12 and Big 12 and SEC, respectively – will serve as semifinals for the playoff this season. But in 2015, when the Rose and Sugar aren't semifinals, those four leagues would each receive approximately $40 million (above the $50 million base payout from the College Football Playoff) from their contracts with those bowls.


The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar. ACC will get 27.5 or 40 mil depending on opponent.

Also- playoff teams will get 6 million per team.
access bowl teams will get 4 million per team.

ND will get 2.3 mil regardless....
BYU, Army, Navy will get about 300k per team. Not sure if that would go up to 450k next year when Navy leaves.
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So this year the Rose and Sugar bowls host semifinals and the SEC/Big12 and the PAC/Big10 Conferences will forfeit $40 million each....is that correct?
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(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  some huge things:
— Each conference will also receive $300,000 for each school that meets the NCAA's required APR for participation in a bowl game. (For example, if 10 teams met the requirement, a conference would receive $3 million.)

— Conferences will receive $6 million for each team selected as one of the four playoff participants. (There won't be additional funds for the teams that advance to the championship game.)

— Conferences will receive $4 million for every team selected for a non-playoff bowl (in 2014, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach bowls).

— Each conference will receive $2 million to cover expenses for each participant in a semifinal, and for the championship game.

— Notre Dame will receive $2.3 million in 2014; the other three independents will split $922,658. (Notre Dame and other independents would receive $6 million for participation in the playoff or $4 million for participation in the Cotton, Fiesta or Peach bowls.)

Revenue from the playoff does not include individual contracts conferences have with the bowls.

For example, in the 2014 season, in addition to its $50 million base payout, the ACC would receive approximately $27.5 million from its contract with the Orange Bowl.

The Rose and Sugar Bowls – tied to the Big Ten and Pac-12 and Big 12 and SEC, respectively – will serve as semifinals for the playoff this season. But in 2015, when the Rose and Sugar aren't semifinals, those four leagues would each receive approximately $40 million (above the $50 million base payout from the College Football Playoff) from their contracts with those bowls.


The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar. ACC will get 27.5 or 40 mil depending on opponent.

Also- playoff teams will get 6 million per team.
access bowl teams will get 4 million per team.

ND will get 2.3 mil regardless....
BYU, Army, Navy will get about 300k per team. Not sure if that would go up to 450k next year when Navy leaves.

The Big East/AAC is the only conference that took a pay cut under the new agreement. The P5 went up 50%. The G5 will see a 500% increase. The AAC will go from $27.897 million to $15 million----a CUT of $12.897 million. That nearly a 50% reduction. BOOM!

If everything went right for the AAC, the max they could get is $22.6 million (APR bonus for all 12 schools and win the G5 slot).
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(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar.

That's really odd. What happens to the $80M ESPN is paying for the Rose/Sugar this year then? I would guess it still ends up in the B1G/PAC's coffers. It's not like that money disappears.
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(07-16-2014 02:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  some huge things:
— Each conference will also receive $300,000 for each school that meets the NCAA's required APR for participation in a bowl game. (For example, if 10 teams met the requirement, a conference would receive $3 million.)

— Conferences will receive $6 million for each team selected as one of the four playoff participants. (There won't be additional funds for the teams that advance to the championship game.)

— Conferences will receive $4 million for every team selected for a non-playoff bowl (in 2014, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach bowls).

— Each conference will receive $2 million to cover expenses for each participant in a semifinal, and for the championship game.

— Notre Dame will receive $2.3 million in 2014; the other three independents will split $922,658. (Notre Dame and other independents would receive $6 million for participation in the playoff or $4 million for participation in the Cotton, Fiesta or Peach bowls.)

Revenue from the playoff does not include individual contracts conferences have with the bowls.

For example, in the 2014 season, in addition to its $50 million base payout, the ACC would receive approximately $27.5 million from its contract with the Orange Bowl.

The Rose and Sugar Bowls – tied to the Big Ten and Pac-12 and Big 12 and SEC, respectively – will serve as semifinals for the playoff this season. But in 2015, when the Rose and Sugar aren't semifinals, those four leagues would each receive approximately $40 million (above the $50 million base payout from the College Football Playoff) from their contracts with those bowls.


The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar. ACC will get 27.5 or 40 mil depending on opponent.

Also- playoff teams will get 6 million per team.
access bowl teams will get 4 million per team.

ND will get 2.3 mil regardless....
BYU, Army, Navy will get about 300k per team. Not sure if that would go up to 450k next year when Navy leaves.

The Big East/AAC is the only conference that took a pay cut under the new agreement. The P5 went up 50%. The G5 will see a 500% increase. The AAC will go from $27.897 million to $15 million----a CUT of $12.897 million. That nearly a 50% reduction. BOOM!

Eh. I'm not so sure those numbers for the AAC are correct. They get about $23M from the BCS for this past season, from what I understand. And then after all the bonuses and academic payments, they'll probably get around the same under the CFP, with an extra $4M if they go to the Access Bowl. It could be as much as $30M if they finish 1st among the G5 and go to the Access Bowl. Still not really much of a raise, where as everyone else gets a huge raise.
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so looking at things-
2014-
ACC 77.5 or 90 mil
B10 50 or 77.5 mil
SEC 50 or 77.5 mil
B12 50 mil
P12 50 mil
plus appearance fees for all 5 conferences in access bowls/playoffs.

2015-
B10 90 mil
SEC 90 mil
P12 90 mil
B12 90 mil
ACC 50 mil

2016-
B10 90 or 117.5 mil
SEC 90 or 117.5 mil
P12 90 mil
B12 90 mil
ACC 77.5 or 90 mil

totals
SEC/B10 230-285 mil
P12/B12 230 mil
ACC 205-230 mil

per school per year 1st 3 years
SEC/B10 5.476-6.786 mil
P12 6.389 mil
B12 7.667 mil
ACC 4.881-5.476 mil
plus appearance fees of 4-6 mil per year.(P5 will be splitting 114 million over 3 years- assuming G5 only gets 1 non playoff team per year).

for 12 years:
ACC 820-845 mil or 4.881-5.028 mil per school per year
SEC/B10 1002.5-1057.5 mil or 5.967-6.295 mil per school per year
P12 920 mil or 6.389 mil per school per year
B12 920 mil or 7.667 mil per school per year

Just amazing the difference in 12 years. Amazing how B12 and even P12 are sitting so pretty being smaller than ACC, SEC, or Big Ten.
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Does the conference then divvy this money up per school or do they keep all or some of it in their coffers?
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(07-16-2014 02:15 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar.

That's really odd. What happens to the $80M ESPN is paying for the Rose/Sugar this year then? I would guess it still ends up in the B1G/PAC's coffers. It's not like that money disappears.

I'd guess it's put into the CFP money. For one- They're paying 2 mil per school for expenses- so take 4 SF teams this year 6 mil per school for making playoff- 24 mil, then 2 mil per school for expenses- to include title game- that's 12 mil- so that's 36 mil right there.
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this contract is designed so that over its 12 year life span the P5 will receive $900 million MORE than the G5. Don't let any news of the G5's crumbs being slightly larger fool you, this is the most lopsided split of league revenue amongst it members in the history of all of sports. Remember this the next time some talking head complains about the G5 holding the P5 back because they can't keep up financially.
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(07-16-2014 02:30 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  this contract is designed so that over its 12 year life span the P5 will receive $900 million MORE than the G5. Don't let any news of the G5's crumbs being slightly larger fool you, this is the most lopsided split of league revenue amongst it members in the history of all of sports. Remember this the next time some talking head complains about the G5 holding the P5 back because they can't keep up financially.

Not to mention they already have a head start with those lofty TV contracts that are paying 10-25X more per year than what any of the G5 conferences are making.
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(07-16-2014 02:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 02:15 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar.

That's really odd. What happens to the $80M ESPN is paying for the Rose/Sugar this year then? I would guess it still ends up in the B1G/PAC's coffers. It's not like that money disappears.

I'd guess it's put into the CFP money. For one- They're paying 2 mil per school for expenses- so take 4 SF teams this year 6 mil per school for making playoff- 24 mil, then 2 mil per school for expenses- to include title game- that's 12 mil- so that's 36 mil right there.

Yeah, but that money already comes out of the $125M taken off the top of the $475M CFP TV deal. I mean, that's an extra $160M of TV money pumped into the CFP. Nobody is reporting that this year's share will be increased by that, yet it has been reported that A) the Rose and Sugar are $80M each starting in 2015 and running through 2026 and B) the years that the Rose/Sugar aren't semifinals, that money goes directly to the B1G/PAC/SEC/XII. So does it just go to the bowls themselves in those semifinal years?
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I don't know how well I would say it's going for Notre Dame. 2.3 million sounds good....

But this year(and this year is worst case for SEC, B12, P12, and B10)- using Jerry Palm projections....
SEC 6.25 mil per school
B12 6 mil per school
ACC 5.964 mil per school(best case year for them unless ND makes game)
P12 4.833 mil per school
B10 4.286 mil per school

Meanwhile, ND only makes 2.3 mil.

For ND to make just what the ACC makes per year, they would need to make the Orange Bowl 2x and then access bowl at least 1 time. And that's for the bottom. To get B10/SEC money even, it's 2 Orange Bowls and then 3 other playoff/access bowl spots(1 must be a playoff). in 12 years. That's tough.
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(07-16-2014 02:42 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 02:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 02:15 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar.

That's really odd. What happens to the $80M ESPN is paying for the Rose/Sugar this year then? I would guess it still ends up in the B1G/PAC's coffers. It's not like that money disappears.

I'd guess it's put into the CFP money. For one- They're paying 2 mil per school for expenses- so take 4 SF teams this year 6 mil per school for making playoff- 24 mil, then 2 mil per school for expenses- to include title game- that's 12 mil- so that's 36 mil right there.

Yeah, but that money already comes out of the $125M taken off the top of the $475M CFP TV deal. I mean, that's an extra $160M of TV money pumped into the CFP. Nobody is reporting that this year's share will be increased by that, yet it has been reported that A) the Rose and Sugar are $80M each starting in 2015 and running through 2026 and B) the years that the Rose/Sugar aren't semifinals, that money goes directly to the B1G/PAC/SEC/XII. So does it just go to the bowls themselves in those semifinal years?

just looking from a few years ago:
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Speci...-ESPN.aspx

The Big Ten and the Pac-12 share the revenue for the Rose Bowl, while the SEC and Big 12 share the Sugar Bowl money. The ACC and its opponent will split the Orange Bowl revenue.

When those games are plugged in as semifinals for the playoff, that money will be distributed to all of the FBS conferences through the BCS.
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(07-16-2014 02:19 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 02:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 01:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  some huge things:
— Each conference will also receive $300,000 for each school that meets the NCAA's required APR for participation in a bowl game. (For example, if 10 teams met the requirement, a conference would receive $3 million.)

— Conferences will receive $6 million for each team selected as one of the four playoff participants. (There won't be additional funds for the teams that advance to the championship game.)

— Conferences will receive $4 million for every team selected for a non-playoff bowl (in 2014, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach bowls).

— Each conference will receive $2 million to cover expenses for each participant in a semifinal, and for the championship game.

— Notre Dame will receive $2.3 million in 2014; the other three independents will split $922,658. (Notre Dame and other independents would receive $6 million for participation in the playoff or $4 million for participation in the Cotton, Fiesta or Peach bowls.)

Revenue from the playoff does not include individual contracts conferences have with the bowls.

For example, in the 2014 season, in addition to its $50 million base payout, the ACC would receive approximately $27.5 million from its contract with the Orange Bowl.

The Rose and Sugar Bowls – tied to the Big Ten and Pac-12 and Big 12 and SEC, respectively – will serve as semifinals for the playoff this season. But in 2015, when the Rose and Sugar aren't semifinals, those four leagues would each receive approximately $40 million (above the $50 million base payout from the College Football Playoff) from their contracts with those bowls.


The first thing- conferences do NOT get their bowl money in years when they are semifinals. So this year B10,P12,B12,SEC won't get money from Rose/Sugar. ACC will get 27.5 or 40 mil depending on opponent.

Also- playoff teams will get 6 million per team.
access bowl teams will get 4 million per team.

ND will get 2.3 mil regardless....
BYU, Army, Navy will get about 300k per team. Not sure if that would go up to 450k next year when Navy leaves.

The Big East/AAC is the only conference that took a pay cut under the new agreement. The P5 went up 50%. The G5 will see a 500% increase. The AAC will go from $27.897 million to $15 million----a CUT of $12.897 million. That nearly a 50% reduction. BOOM!

Eh. I'm not so sure those numbers for the AAC are correct. They get about $23M from the BCS for this past season, from what I understand. And then after all the bonuses and academic payments, they'll probably get around the same under the CFP, with an extra $4M if they go to the Access Bowl. It could be as much as $30M if they finish 1st among the G5 and go to the Access Bowl. Still not really much of a raise, where as everyone else gets a huge raise.

The 27.897 million came from the article in the OP. If I recall correctly, the value of a full BCS share increases a little every year. Still, $15 million would be a big step down from even $23 million.

The G5 has already decided on how the 75 million will be split among the G5. Its not clear if the 6 million for the G5 winner comes from the 75 million dollar G-5 pot or if the 75 million G5 split includes the 4 million for being in an access bowl. That could change the numbers slightly.

The G5 decided to split the money into 3 pots of cash. A portion is divided evenly. 1 million per team in conference with a max of 12 million (60 million total).

A portion goes to the G5 conference that wins the G5 access bowl slot. I understood that to be 6 million.

The remaining 9 million is split on the basis of conference performance. The money is divided in 15 equal shares. The top conference gets 5 shares. The #2 gets 4 shares. The #3 gets 3 shares, #4 gets 2 shares, and #5 gets 1 share. That's 3 million for the top conference. and 600K for the worst.

Then there is an additional 300K per school for making APR (max of 3 million).

Max payout for the AAC would be 12 million + 6 Million + 3 million + 3 million=24 million. That 3.897 million less than the amount USA-Today is reporting as the AAC's last BCS paycheck. If the BCS is 23 like you said, its about the same.
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Thanks for the great summary and info. Stever2004-cheers
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